Pavement:Classic or Dud

nastanovich is wearing a lindon lions hat on the fallon clip

also, you ate a piece of cake from the ace of cakes!

it was v v good cake

the thunderstorm was an awesome touch imo and the sky turned this weird ass green color for the majority of the show

yeah! it was super weird out which made it fun.

spiral seemed in pretty good spirits actually - seemed pissed off at one point, either at the end of "date w/ ikea"

that makes sense because man did he mail in the vocal on ikea. worst part of the show because i actually like that song.

lol @ malk drumming during "kennel d" tho

he drummed on most of wowee zowee including kennel district iirc.

oh yeah i knew he did some drumming on record it's just funny to see him sling his guitar across his back and pound out a few bars from the wrong side of the kit

great show tonight--very good setlist. i definitely got the feeling we wouldn't be seeing them again, so it seemed poignant too

Enjoyed SFJ's critique in the New Yorker. He dates their decline too early for my liking - just after Slanted and Enchanted and Gary Young's departure - and the Cobain-suicide link is a bit of stretch but I agree with his general gist. Explains why my interest tailed off after Crooked Rain.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2010/10/11/101011crmu_music_frerejones

wow that is indie guilt at its basest encapsulated.

Really? How so?

If Pavement’s songs were the air-conditioned stacks at the main library, Nirvana’s were the fight behind the bleachers: one set of problems was theoretical and subject to will; the other was entirely real and unmanageable.

*BARF*

lol

SFJ in 1 sentence: "They don't mean it, maaaaaaaaan"

Sasha Frere-Jones too often feels to me like rock music writing for people who don’t like rock music, or any other kind of music that ends up rocking.

I have this 45 of (I think) radio performances from around Wowee Zowee. One of the songs is "Brink of the Clouds/Candyland" (cuz it has that "orange! black! orange! black!" refrain). It has a black and white cover that looks like hand-drawn graph paper. I converted this to MP3 but I have no idea what the other songs are or what it's called or even where it's from.

anybody got any ideas?

it is not the Rattled By La Rush single

come on pavement nerds don't let me down

sounds like maybe it is a bootleg of a peel session from 94 or so?

http://www.discogs.com/Pavement--Peel-Session-February-1994-/release/1487130

yes that is it! Many thx

On my version the last song's called "The Sutcliffe Catering Song". Grow up and marry me.

Bob is covering the National Handicapping Championship in Las Vegas in a series of videos for Daily Racing Form (where I work)

Pretty funny

http://www.drf.com/news/nhc-xii-2011-national-handicapping-championship

Spin mag:
http://www.spin.com/articles/bob-nastanovich-talks-pavements-future

What have you been up to since the tour wrapped?
I'm trying to piece together employment opportunities for next year in the horse racing industry. I had a bunch of jobs, mostly here in Iowa, before I went on tour last year and I'm trying to get them back. I'm also pretty excited that in a few weeks I'm going to go to Las Vegas and start working for the Daily Racing Form, doing videos for their website. They're going to have me go to major racing events, interview people, and try to make it different than a regular sports show. Hopefully, we'll be able to pull off something entertaining and make it onto TV someday.

selected b-sides on spotify:
http://open.spotify.com/user/nick.douglas/playlist/4HQy0Dx2LN5PtrLrIerulV

I like the ballads, I think - "Here", "We Dance". Ask me in ten years.

― Tom, Monday, 26 February 2001 01:00 (10 years ago)

^ otm

The organism is sluggish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQateJSGgAo

god bless that spleef in my mouth
or should I say Jah baby
Spin Doctors are crazy

June 4, 1993
Melbourne, Prince of Wales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc1JZ_IM4aI

In The Mouth A Desert
Ell Ess Two
Trigger Cut
Soiled Little Filly
???* [punk cover, anyone have any idea?]
Cut Yr Hair
Debris Slide
Canada [Silver Jews cover]
So Stark (You're A Skyscraper)
Angel Carver Blues/Mellow Jazz Docent
She Believes
All My Friends [clipped]

Pavement ist rad

i was watching the "Slow Century" doc a few nights ago and it made me kinda sad.

one of the best bands ever

is Pavement one of those bands that has zero appeal outside of the generation that experienced their initial popularity? I mean I like this stuff a lot but when I revisit it the inscrutable in-jokey lyrics and tossed off guitar noise make them seem like something that would be largely incomprehensible/not worth investigating to people who didn't cut their teeth on 90s indie rock. It reminds me of 80s hair metal, where it's popularity is very limited to a subset of people who were teens in the 80s.

oh i dunno hair metal brought us plenty of enduring pop hits

i'm sure there are plenty of millenials who dig pavement but if someone is doing the semi-annual "pavement sucks" meltdown my only response is "ya had to be there, man..."

oh i dunno hair metal brought us plenty of enduring pop hits

there's a few ("Pour Some Sugar On Me" springs to mind) but if you look at the crowds at Motley Crue or Poison shows or whatever, it's all just the people who were there the first time around.

anyway this thread is not about that, don't distract me!

as opposed to the wide variety of people at any other 80s act's concerts?

"80s act" is a very broad set of people, so yes

well i don't go to motley crue concerts or concerts of any other 80s acts so i bow to your experience re: the demographics that can be found

oh wait i did see the feelies. i was on the young end.

my point was some acts transcend their initial popularity and appeal to other generations - certainly plenty of boomer acts did this, the huge 80s acts (Prince, MJ, Springsteen, Madonna), etc. Pavement not so much.

yes the bigger the star, the more people from future generations know about them. pavement was always at a disadvantage compared to say, madonna.

i mean, i wouldn't necessarily pin pavement-digging on a generational wavelength. the most uptight people regarding their popularity tend to be people who hated them from the get-go.

those acts had hits!

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also pavement was only a going concern IN the 90s, all those acts you mention were on the pop charts for 2 decades plus.

"Cut Your Hair" wasn't "Open Your Heart" or "When Doves Cry."

v true

surprised this thread was revived for some couchgazing when THIS is brewing

http://www.avclub.com/article/pavement-something-although-no-ones-sure-what-217912

I guess this revive is my way of wondering what non-Gen X Pavement fans make of Pavement, because to me they seem so inextricably tied to a particular era and its attending cultural concerns/baggage that I would think they require a lot of "explanation" for their output to make any sense at all

The kids at the college station know them well. They haven't disappeared from that demographic.

i know them but i don't really "get" them

i just assume young people who like terrible twee pseudo-indie think they're the beatles or something

yeah i'm such a crank about modern indie that i can't imagine pavement's deficits even make these little shits radar