"Hearts Songs" (fuiud, I love cheesy as fuck Rivers)
f me then, that song is craaaaaaaaaaap
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Love "Hash Pipe," always will.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
The Dr. Luke in "I'm Your Daddy" is money well spent, but I'm guessing the decision to sing "this is improbable" AFTER "this is impossible" was all Rivers.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha, I can 100% understand the hate for "Heart Songs", but there's something perversely sweet about it.
I think you have to at least give them credit for picking awesome lead singles.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
haha - xpost
i refuse to listen to rivers cuomo singing a song called "i'm your daddy" -- absolutely just not happening
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Back in 1991, I wasn't havin any funTil My roommate said "come on and put a brand new record on"Had a baby on it, he was naked on itThen I heard the chords that broke the chains I had upon me
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
haaaaaah xp
― markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Fair play da croupier, but if we are really going to start nitpick Rivers' shit lyrics we'll eliminate 80% of the songs people love.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, I feel like Pinkerton's more TMI embarrassing than duh-duh embarrassing
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link
there's "i got peter criss, I got kitty pryde" and then there's "back when audioslave was still ra-ye-aaaage"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't thinking Pinkerton really, I was focusing on this era's Weezer. "Hash Pipe", "Memories", "We Are All On Drugs", "Beverly Hills", "Island in the Sun"... they all have horrible lyrics that can be pulled out. Lyrics aren't why I listen to Weezer v2.0. Thats what the first two albums are for.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"1. "I'm Your Daddy (Featuring Kenny G)"
― markers garvey (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KucV8renOfI
― Kerm, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link
2 Girls, 1 Rivers is supposed to drop next week
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
bada-ching!
― lieutenant jimmy john (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean Weezer's entire career is just one big 4chan meme now, so, why not?
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
As far as I'm concerned, the last Weezer album ever will be this deluxe Pinkerton thing they're releasing in a month or 2.. I'm very excited to see the tracklisting.
What's up with planning a "Bluealbum/Pinkerton" tour without Matt Sharp?
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but has anyone else noticed that "we are all on drugs" is basically the diarrhea song that people sang in elementary school? i hope someone knows what i'm talking about so i don't sound like a total dolt...
I have patiently listened to every weezer album at least once, including raditude, hoping for some faint glimmer of what weezer once was, but honestly i don't think there has even been a faint reminder of the the talent that once was since maladroit, which was actually a pretty great album.
― jonathan - stl, Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Diarrhea - cha cha cha?
― Riverside (kkvgz), Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh wait, you mean "when you're sliding into first..." Yeah, I can hear that.
― Riverside (kkvgz), Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link
They make a good appearance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcC-yJKxuuY
― Young, Thursday, 16 September 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i was gonna lay out my theory about Weezer2k here but then i realized i pretty much explained it in my rock singles list recently so i'm just gonna c&p that if it's not too gauche:
11. Weezer - "Perfect Situation" (2005)#51 Hot 100, #1 Modern RockAs I noted in the previous entry for “Troublemaker,” Weezer’s ‘00s singles output is way better than most give them credit for, but I think that’s partly their own fault. They have a tendency to drop big, stupid attention-grabbing lead singles (like “Hash Pipe,” “Dope Nose,” “Beverly Hills” and “Pork & Beans”) and then save their best and hookiest songs for the second or third single (“Island In The Sun,” “Keep Fishin’,” this and “Troublemaker”). That cycle finally started to break down last year with the great “(If You’re Wondering If I Want You To) I Want You To” preceded the awful “I’m Your Daddy,” but it’s too soon to tell what I think of the new one’s lead single, “Memories.” This was actually the 3rd single off Make Believe, on released after the truly horrible “We Are All On Drugs” when it became a fan favorite. Rivers Cuomo has always been a solid tunesmith who gets in his own way with idiotic lyrics, and here he lets a huge wordless chorus do all the talking, even if the verses are still full of hero/zero couplets and other drudgery.
― some dude, Thursday, 16 September 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol, whoa, finally heard the Coldplay cover. I think this is why Rivers doesn't try "earnest" anymore.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 September 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Rivers Cuomo has always been a solid tunesmith who gets in his own way with idiotic lyrics
I could see how a lot of people would agree with you, but 90's Weezer still sounds like so much more than solid tunes.. A certain energy was lost, not unlike what happened to Green Day.. Their run of singles in the 00's, while far from being the worst songs on the radio, were still a consistently frustrating letdown after such a solid run. Up until 2005, the "fun" songs sounded kinda forced, while the "weird" or "quirky" songs sounded too calculated.
The release of The Red Album signified their current "you ain't seen nothing yet" era in terms of how batshit crazy they really could get, as I recall "The Greatest Man" and "Dreamin'" sounding particularly awkward, as if their segments were pieced together with only minimal attempts at cohesion.. And one song which outright plagiarized "My Michelle" by Guns N' Roses. The pop culture references and bizarre jokes made so much sense on the 90's material, while now it just sounds like cutaway scenes on an episode of Family Guy.
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
as I recall "The Greatest Man" and "Dreamin'" sounding particularly awkward, as if their segments were pieced together with only minimal attempts at cohesion.
In Weezer's defense, that "pieced together" thing was pretty much the entire point of "The Greatest Man".
The pop culture references and bizarre jokes made so much sense on the 90's material, while now it just sounds like cutaway scenes on an episode of Family Guy.
I can see where you're are coming from, but I really don't see how different the two are. I mean, the Jorge Garcia and internet meme references aren't all that far off from him talking about Kitty Pryde and (relatively, at the time) obscure ECW wrestlers. I think you're letting your nostalgia for those early albums color your feelings about the pop culture references (i.e. "the references I 'GOT' we're cooler man"). I say this because, before I finally learned to embrace modern day Weezer, I felt pretty much that way - like Weezer had somehow like betrayed my rabid fandom of 1995-1998. Now I realize that was a pretty damn silly way to feel.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
If I thought it were purely nostalgia, I wouldn't be so adamant about it.. But I just heard "Lullaby For Wayne" for the first time only 3 years ago, and it kinda blew my mind how good it was compared to anything they've released in the 00's. And I feel the same way about most of the songs on the 1st "Alone" compilation.
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
"Lullabye For Wayne" is sadly nowhere to be found on youtube or else I'd post it here..
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, see, I was strictly talking about the pop culture references in his lyrics, not the quality of the music. Thats a whole different story. But I look at the two different decades of their existence as pretty much two completely different bands.
Weezer 1.0: a fantastic band that released two front-to-back classic albums and a slew of wonderful B-sidesWeezer 2.0: a spotty at best band that cranks out tons of material, but manages a couple great pop tunes each time around
Do I think any of the songs from the 2000s would fit anywhere on the first two albums? Of course not.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
It's silly to feel "betrayed," but that's no reason to pretend Rivers hasn't gotten lazier. You didn't have to know about ECW (I sure didn't) or Kitty Pryde to be touched by "El Scorcho" or "In The Garage." They brought generational specifics to Beach Boys rewrites, but they weren't the selling points of them.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Using "In The Garage" as an example, I think the "Kitty Pride" and Kiss references were helpful in painting a lyrical picture, as opposed to the lyrics of that godawful song where he sings about Kurt Cobain and whatever other musicians were mentioned...
Similarly, and maybe this IS nostalgia, but mentioning Green Day in "El Scorcho" I think also makes sense in the same way as "In The Garage," since it helps to get his point across.. Whereas the more recent references sound like they're just trying to get people's attention, like "one big 4chan meme."
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you're picking the wrong example there by calling up "Heart Songs" though, since the entire point of that song is to call up nostalgia.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link
"Calling up" nostalgia and vomiting on it are two very different things..
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember finding the Green Day ref forced back when "Scorcho" came out, but there were a kajillion other lines and hooks in that song to love that it didn't wreck it or anything.
The point of "In The Garage" is to call up nostalgia too, as are a lot of songs on the Blue Album. He just did it a hell of a lot more artfully than "there was a baby on it, it was naked on it and it broke my chains" or whatever
― da croupier, Friday, 17 September 2010 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
da croupier OTM, I was just trying to make the point that his references aren't really different now, he just uses them WAY less effectively.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 17 September 2010 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah old weezer fans tend swing so hard at nu-rivers they crack at qualities he's always had, but they're doing it because the new shit sucks egregiously and the old stuff was really great.
― da croupier, Friday, 17 September 2010 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude wants to raise $10 million to get Weezer to break up:
http://www.themusicnetwork.com/music-news/artists/2010/10/06/punter-wants-to-pay-weezer-10-million-to-break-up/
Don't get this, considering he was never a fan in the first place. Hurley is a pretty decent return to form as well....by which I mean, it's no worse than Maladroit.
― Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I get it. You don't have to be a fan to be a well-meaning observer. Everything he points out is true. The first two albums (which were Matt Sharp-inclusive) were landmarks, and everything they've released in the era since then has all the sincerity of a whoopie cushion. Wise people quit hoping for a return to form four albums ago, but there are still some people who get their hopes up only to have them dashed every single time.
Rivers Cuomo actually seems like a vindictive son of a bitch at this point. But he's also a fame whore, and if he thinks he can keep his name out there by agreeing to break up Weezer for good for a large sum of money, he'll do it. Interested to see this play out.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
first two albums (which were Matt Sharp-inclusive) were landmarks, and everything they've released in the era since then has all the sincerity of a whoopie cushion.
Bullshit. The Green Album is the pinnacle of their artistic achievement. Blue is mostly a novelty record and the entirety of Pinkerton sounds like a B-side.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I love it when people get all riled up about Weezer not being "sincere" anymore. I love Pinkerton too, but c'mon.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Weezer sucks. Those first two records were insufferable and you all know it.
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Weezer should just be assassinated without hesitation.
― you're fired (u s steel), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^this
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Matt Sharp wrote about as much music for Weezer as my gran
― Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
And for that he deserves credit.
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
A compelling argument. When i travel back in time to my 16-year-old self playing air guitar to "Say It Ain't So" while making Doom II levels, this will definitely win me over to your position.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow...the cover for their upcoming rarities comp is even more absurd than Hurley. Don't think they'll ever top this one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/40359-weezer-ready-rarities-comp-ideath-to-false-metali/
― Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Monday, 11 October 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoops, here it is:
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz334/tim_othy1/falsemetal.jpg
― Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Monday, 11 October 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
is that Ginuwine?
― some dude, Monday, 11 October 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Scarily and certainly yes, it is : http://www.amazon.com/Death-False-Metal-Weezer/dp/B0042YY3WG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286835729&sr=1-1
― Tim. E "LazRus" Lucas (Prose b4 Hoes...and Big Hoos), Monday, 11 October 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link