don't know why authenticity matters for synthpop.
^^^ Real talk.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there's something telling in how her urban moves are embraced so much by popjustice types, who are notoriously allergic to any actual rappers or dancehall artists.
This is the old, tired "the audience damns the artist" argument -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
infinite xpost
Bjork hilariously utterly unmoved throughout the performance of "Hyperballad".
― matt2, Friday, 10 September 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's never about authenticity in any case -- most criminals are not good rappers, and most good rappers probably would not make good criminals -- it's about how you PULL OFF that authenticity -- even taking out their various talents as musicians, that's why young jeezy is respected and rick ross is largely seen as a clown
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
and i think that's the argument that lex is making
to use a pop example, katy b went to the same school as kate nash & adele but she can pull off singing over funky tracks while i don't think you could say the same about kate nash or adele, even tho they are all equally 'authentic'
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but i don't understand how you define 'authentic'
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it doesn't really matter
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it's obviously a subjective judgment -- you can make your case either way, but it comes down to whether or not you think she "pulls it off"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
of course, i'm just not sure why she has to 'pull anything off', as opposed to just being.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
because she's a performer?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 10 September 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
jordan otm, though it's not so much "authenticity" that's the quality in question here as...attitude? i know how annoying the word "swagger" is but that might come close. cf neneh cherry, who robyn is oft compared to, who wasn't remotely street but who absolutely nailed the rude-gyal talk on "buffalo stance". or that girl cher lloyd, who did "turn my swag on" on the x factor last week - middle-class white girl from worcestershire, obv not remotely authentic, but she totally convinced as someone who knew what she was doing.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I've always taken Robyn's rapping and 'attitude' on those songs as knowingly ridiculous, which I think she does quite well. I never really saw it as anything else.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Knowingly ridiculous" totally encapsulates why it grates on me - it's that thing of Wackiness and Craziness and basically taking on signifiers of an entire culture as silly mannerisms, "comedy" hip-hop just for larks.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't call it "comedy", as that implies mocking. More playful.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Should add that I understand why you or anyone really would find it grating though.
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Friday, 10 September 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i was going to agree with the smiley face thing, even re: tracks like "dancing on my own" but then i remembered that she has done tracks like "eclipse" (WHICH SHE DIDN'T WRITE)
i'm not following the last few posts especially the katy b thing.
― teledyldonix, Friday, 10 September 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and also i did hear robyn at a party recently, someone put on "fembot". lol.
― teledyldonix, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
hi robyn love u forever
― conrad, Friday, 10 September 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Lex it sounds like if someone cops rap moves you want them to do so convincingly i.e. measure up to the rules of the Rap Game - i.e. spit bars, get the accent right, etc - but i really don't think Robyn is interested in being a legit rapper. So to judge her on that and find her wanting seems either disingenuous, mistaking what she's trying to do, or want to fit everyone into the same sort of box. To me she seems interested - sometimes - in the kinds of performances, the kinds of characters, that rap enables - ridiculous boasting, shouting out to your crew, etc. And to me at least it never feels like she's laughing at that or doing it ironically, she's trying on these attitudes, borrowing them, revelling in them - the way millions of non-black non-Americans do with rap all over the world every day. It's just one of the ways she pushes against her "natural" strengths; it's been mentioned that her voice seems more suited to pure pop "Show Me Love" stuff and instead she often goes for ambiguity, bitterness and disappointment - and nabisco's said how often this obviously untough girl is trying to be tough in the face of lovesickness. If you don't like her I guess you say "bad call" but if you do, that's what you like about her.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
She totally has the right to try on and borrow attitudes, but it comes down to how I feel about her voice, which can only project one emotion: an immersion in pleasure. I suppose it's the same problem lots of critics in the seventies had with Bowie, but Bowie's songwriting and arranging skills mitigated the ickiness of his (emotional) vocal chops.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
not robyn exactly but im feelin rasmus seebachs latest single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFtnV6pMqvA
― chilli, Saturday, 11 September 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
hang with me is drenched with goodness
― janice (surm), Sunday, 19 September 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't
even
<3 the new Pt. 2 album, though I can barely get past the first three tracks, all are so stunning.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Sunday, 19 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i've been feeling "hang with me" even more than usual lately. and yes i love the album.
― teledyldonix, Sunday, 19 September 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The Singles Jukebox on Hang With Me
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 September 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Martin Skidmore: I like this a lot: the lyrics are almost entirely those of a positive song of friendship, but her tone has a sadness and aggression that complicates it in fascinating ways, inserting a level of irresistible cynicism about the outcome.
otmx1000
― janice (surm), Sunday, 19 September 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
the sadness in dancing on my own is similarly almost unbearable. in a good way.
― janice (surm), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i56.tinypic.com/658qio.jpg
No date yet for Body Talk Pt. 3, but "Indestructible" is due toward the end of November. psyched
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"Hang with Me" got super-awesome once it got a great arrangement on Pt. 2 -- can't wait to hear how "Indestructible" fares.
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
really like Pt 2. the Diplo & Snoop tracks are the only kinda weak spots.
― sock lobster (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
So I hear the final part of this trilogy is going to be five songs from part one, five from part two and then five new songs including the new version of Indestructible. I'm thinking this might just turn out to be the album of the year.
I really think it's going to be hard to narrow down part two to just 5 tracks, they are all really great.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That sounds like a bit of a gip having bought the first two parts.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
the Diplo & Snoop tracks are the only kinda weak spots.
Agree re: Diplo but that Snoop track is the highlight of Side B, are you kidding?
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
So I hear the final part of this trilogy is going to be five songs from part one, five from part two and then five new songs including the new version of Indestructible.
What's yr source??
that is what digital spy says http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a281596/robyn-announces-new-single-details.html
― teledyldonix, Thursday, 14 October 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
she said early on that she might do that but hadn't decided yet
― Mary Lynn Ice Cube (sic), Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
It's fine with me, tbh, because I haven't bought a physical copy of either of the eps so far.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, that didn't take long: http://soundcloud.com/robyn/sets/indestructible
Not in the same league as Dancing on My Own or the redux version of Hang With Me, but still cool.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 October 2010 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Yesterday @ Studio Brussel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wATmk1F4BLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU-Hd3EoAn0
― StanM, Thursday, 14 October 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Awesome thanks!
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Thursday, 14 October 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor)
I completely agree with this, It might actually be my favourite song from this era.
This is what I'm hoping part three will look like,
Don't Tell Me What To Fucking DoFembotDancing On My ownCry When You Get OlderNone Of DemIn My EyesInclude Me OutHang With MeLove KillsU Should Know BetterIndestructible (New Version)
Plus another four new songs.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I hope the single version of Dancing on My Own is included rather than the ep version.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
In My EyesInclude Me OutHang With MeLove Kills
This is a phenomenal four-track run, possibly my favorite of 2010.
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
^
Funny, cause this would be mine:
Don't Tell Me What To Fucking DoFembotDancing On My ownCry When You Get Older
― Indexed, Thursday, 14 October 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The final track listing for part 3 looks like this
1. Fembot2. Don´t fucking tell me what to do3. Dancing on my own4. Indestructible5. Time Machine6. Love kills7. Hang with me8. Call your girlfriend9. None of dem10. We dance to the beat11. U should know better12. Dance hall queen13. Get myself together14. In my eyes15. Stars 4-ever
Having Dance Hall Queen instead of Cry When You Get Older is a terrible decision and it doesn't really need to have Don't Tell me What to fucking do and We Dance to the Beat as they are pretty similar. It's still going to be an album of the contender for me but it's not perfect.
― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
don't get the including songs from previous two thing at all
― sock lobster (blueski), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
That piano version of "Dancing On My Own" is gorgeous - cheers, StanM.
Having Dance Hall Queen instead of Cry When You Get Older
This is a fucking travesty, CWYGO is the second best track on Pt.1!
― Bill A, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link