Indie Guilt: C/D

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When the fuck was Bobby Moore a Thunderbird?

Parker's saying to Lady Penelope "I'm better than you, because you like Helen Love"

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1. I missed this whole damn thread because I was having like the shittiest day EVAH at work
2. Mark S is often right and often funny on this thread and elsewhere but ppl only convince themselves they "like" indie because they're so embarrassed abt the daft chartpop they genuinely loved as kids is transparently total and complete horseshit
3. if I misattributed that one I am sorry Mark S
4. the original question hath to it some pith: people say "indie" around here as though the word gave off a bad smell
4b. which reminds me Steve Malkmus is a way better songwriter than you-all gave him credit for on the Pavement thread a while back
4c. the observation that a lot of people in this hizzouse seem to think that not liking Destiny's Child is pretentious is spot-on
4d. when in fact Destiny's Child aren't even good pop
4e. honestly
5. the conclusion here is that only true kult black metal is any good although as we know great death metal is better still but there is a paucity of great death metal right now 6. Oh yes and the attempt to laughingly discredit the "homophobes=closeted homosexuals" is itself laughable as accepted canons of psychiatry (not kooky Freudian shit neither: well-reasoned valid things) bear out that most homophobia is rooted in suppressed homoerotic urges 7. BLACK METAL IST KRIEG 8. Please do pity me, the workday was truly abysmal

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually the more I think about it it is mind-boggling. People pick on indie fans for liking stuff from other genres that's similar to indie: what the hell is surprising about that? As if hip-hop fans listen to indie and go "I dunno, that was a sort of hip-hoppy beat he put in there, I hate this shit."

― nabisco%%, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like to solve my indie guilt by drinking copious amounts of Budweiser. This is a statement far more relevant than burning a copy of the last ~~Modest Mouse~~ Eminem CD which was released on a major label.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look, can't all the indie kids and the b-boys and the popists and the rave bunnies all get together in the spirit of communal harmony, and just throw shit at fat girls with ironic backpacks?

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh nitsuh, i think constructing thought experiments to explore the transgression of "indie boundaries" might be a cry for help.

― , Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nitsuh mainly i have a problem because indie kids listen to some pussy-ass fuckin hiphop

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i just don't like them because i live @ indie USA ground zero!!

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also hiphop fans like all kinds of crazy shit!!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This thread is like the twilight of an era, Nero fiddling as Rome burns, the sun at the center of the ILM universe flaring into a red giant. It sums up a year and a half of ILM, kind of.

― Mark, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Such as Ethan? (There's a bottle of Jack Daniels on this desk. If you say Jurassic 5, Mos Def, The Roots, People Under The Stairs, and Black Eyed Peas, I swear to God I'm going to finish it)

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fat girls with ironic backpacks?
I am not fat. i am just physically challenged. And that backpack is now replaced by a bum bag that I wear over my shoulder.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan turns to indie when he's feeling like a pussy (the Apples, Belle & Sebastian, etc.)

― Mark, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

drink up dom

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bye bye liver.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Which makes sense)
(Also, how indie is it that I left the "In Stereo" off?)
(If pussy hip-hop=PM Dawn then count me in)

― Mark, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

go find the roots and mos def c/d threads haha

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

2. not misattributed, merely misparsed (cf later post abt "guilt" as a basis for fandom) => it is i think exactly as silly and exactly as plausible as the original thread-claim

4d. i am as all know a huge DC fan of course, and far too old ever to have been an indiekid (beside, indie killed punk rock, maaan)

(sorry abt yr bad day)

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Where is the pity? Where is the pity?

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S your condolences crossed wires with my plea for more of them: thank you so much, they mean more than I can convey on-screen

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth, I was thinking of contributing something to this thread, but I've had too much trouble following it.

― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alan = indie
virgil = 60s garage
john = idm (well, duh)
scott = ryan adams
gordon = dub

mr tracy = dave van ronk
parker = mingus
lady p = the shirelles
tin-tin = bratmobile
brains = the brazen hussies

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

GUILT By Association -- Orlando, Florida INDIE Rock band

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Jack Daniels comment was aimed at Ethan's "pussy assed indie hop" claim, rather than the "crazy shit" claim. I still could be drinking lemon flavoured Coke tonight...

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

now do us!!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They are not indie. They look like a roleplaying society. Roleplaying = prog, obviously.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But but I thought indie rock was all about Iron Maiden T-shirts, two piece virtuouso math rock bands with really good drummers, and and and Iron Maiden T-shirts????

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the hood = alien hiphop

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dom i knew what you meant and thats what i meant so DRINK UP

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bowacks.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://members.aol.com/dubplatestyle/emined.jpg

― indie hiphop., Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan, the people that first got me interested in indie were, at the time, driving around listening to stuff like Wu-Tang, Schoolly D, and Gravediggaz. Is that "pussy-ass hiphop"?

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

jeff!! bah, i haf been trying to remember dad tracy's name for 20 minutes which = pathetic in anyone's language

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heh heh heh. I like the way my hair looks there.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and mine was young mc, what's yr point?

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the accusation is something along the lines of "indie rock people are a bunch of Arrested Development-listenin', troo hard beatz-fearin' college students" and all I have to say to that is N.W.A. + the Posse continue to astound fifteen years after tha FAKT

Gin + Tonic = the answer to so very many problems

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha gravediggaz were the INDIEST!!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and only rock critics liked nwa and schooly d

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/indie7.jpg

sigh

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is that a record by PINKY KRAVITZ??!?!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think it's by ritzy kranmer.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That "indie kids listen to some pussy-ass fuckin hiphop" is tired stereotyping, basically. And actually, most of the people I've known who are into stuff like the Roots and the Black-Eyed Peas are pretty single-mindedly into hip-hop.

Anyone who engages in two-dimensional, broad-brush slags of indie people -- a group among whom I don't really number myself, by the way, although I do like a fair amount of indie label stuff -- is implicitly waiving their right to ever complain at receiving the same treatment. I don't like sneery pissing-contest stereotyping from any genre's Pod People, be it indie, hiphop, chart pop, jazz, or whatever else.

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

code money is the only dj evah

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan I should have liked for you to have said so to the assembled "rock critics" at the Ice Cube show at the Palace in Hollywood in 1989: the turtlenekks & blazers were conspicuous by their absence

point being if you'd've lived in SoCal during N.W.A.'s ascendance you'd know that you couldn't be more wrong in your assesment

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark bought rap attack 3 at the hmv remainder sale.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

john i was six years old for christs sake

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i was at a wu tang show once and they didn't show up for almost 2 hours! let me tell you, i've never seen such indignant white people in my life.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but if you keep playing hardcore you're never getting my three dollars again

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i've never seen such indignant white people in my life.

And so the race card, implicit throughout this discussion, is finally played...

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i mean i like your ace of base song and all but there were too many turtlenecks and blazers there

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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