New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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*intrigued*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

I told you music mags were great.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:09 (twenty years ago)

I believe I have solved the mystery of the donkey punching, funnily enough!

Anything to do with Nietzche's horse-hugging?

― jz, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:13 (twenty years ago)

anyone else aware of a slightly different meaning to the phrase "donkey punch" than pummeling a stunted inbred horse-like animal?

― gek-opel, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

it is an internet-bred rumored sexual practice that involves anal sex and hitting a woman in the back of the head. it is quite disgusting

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

thats the one.

― gek-opel, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I was under the inpression it occurs between consenting lads, a punch to the diaphragm resulting in contractions satisying to the puncher.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm not convinced. I seriously doubt you can get away with doing that on the streets of Galway.

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I doubt thats what Scott was referring to, I really do... Altho I've yet to visit Galway...

― gek-opel, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

i do not think thats what he's talking about. though i'll dare to be surprised.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read Penman's tract yet but I'm hoping it's in the style of J0nathan K1ng's liner-notes for...Scott 2, was it?

I'm vicariously disappointed by JtN's non-meeting.

I will buy this LP the day it comes out (whatever day that is), just like 4AD records of old.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Analyzing the lyrics of a track that no one's heard from an album that hasn't been released. Can it get more fanboy than this?

― Neil H., Thursday, 30 March 2006 07:24 (twenty years ago)

Scott on the Beeb tonite, 7pm or 11.20 pm

― Dadaismus Is A Very Magic Fellow (Dada), Thursday, 30 March 2006 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Thanks!

― willem -- (willem), Thursday, 30 March 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

"I haven't read Penman's tract yet but I'm hoping it's in the style of J0nathan K1ng's liner-notes for...Scott 2, was it?"

I wasn't going to say this, but it did occur to me that I found it equally creepy. More verbose, natch.

― Soukesian, Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Soukesian- why'dya find the Penman rant creepy? Pseudo-Beckettian and extremely verbose yes, but I sure didn't catch any undertones of paederastery there.

― gek-opel, Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

No, I didn't mean that, I meant creepy as in crawly.

Anyone one likely to read the piece probably agrees that Scott is a genius, but after a paragraph or two, I just found it all a bit embarrassing. Didn't leave much impression of the music either. But I then didn't understand Penman even in the 80's.

― Soukesian, Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Ok, yeah, I see what you mean. I like Penman but I can see that that kind of existentialist-crittheory-musicmag-blogtalk redux can emerge seeming like pretentious drivel, its just perhaps I've been immersed in such discourse for so long it seems perfectly ordinary. Curiously I think the main people who will read this are journalists (if this is the press release 4ad are sending out with the album) I don't think these are liner notes somehow- too many of them for a start. For an uncoverted journo these notes would pretty much seal the deal that Scott is a pretentious prick, which is unfortunate.

― gek-opel, Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

A song "about" Elvis? Kate Bush touched on the Elvis myth on her "comeback album" as well. Can't wait to here it - any samples or snippets available?

― Scott fan, Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

What a nice fella - aging well too. "Jesse" (was it?) sounded awesome.

His explanation of his dwindling popularity after Scott 3 as being partially as a result of "too many songs in 3/4 time" was quite funny.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, strangely for such a vaunted gloom-meister he was mainly witty and self-depreciating, but I'd gathered that from previous interviews... the new album sounds as expected... I think "Jesse" is about elvis' dead twin brother (shades of Nick Cave there... was it "Tupelo"?? and "The Ass Saw The Angel"???) and cross referenced with 9/11.... I'm getting into the idea of slowness in artistic pursuit now... so long as you don't go shit past 35 (as most rockers appear to) it seems a far more rational pace. One album every ten years, fine if its as good as Walker's....

― gek-opel, Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

It was great to see him looking so well, and cheerful and pleasant.

on the charge that Drift was inaccessible, "ah well, there's plenty of accessible music out there already"

― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

SW in a non-stop parade of good answers

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Excellent piece on an excellent programme. I love the BBC. He looked great and the clips were cool. Even a bit of Brel. Loved the bit of someone hitting meat for the new album.

If you missed it watch out for the repeat at 11.20pm.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Ooops sorry Dadaismus - you already posted the times - so....xpost.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone have this anywhere? The BBC site has charmingly informed me that BBC content is not available to people in the states.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

http://rapidshare.de/files/16830052/walker_bbc.mov.html

― BBC, Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

wow, cheers, thanks for this.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 31 March 2006 02:42 (twenty years ago)

also, grand prize to any journo who titles their walker story "the old man's back again".

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Friday, 31 March 2006 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh, man -- thanks for the video link. I don't think I need too many more shots of his bald spot and he has a lisp! But all in all, I'm anxiously awaiting this...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 31 March 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)

I watched the Scott interview on BBC2 last night. It was a disgrace. Yet again we get the same old tired "'60s idol gone loco" angle. Time was wasted with mindbending banalities from Eno, Cocker, Goldfrapp etc. when I wanted to find out more about the new record. I thought Scott did very well to keep his countenance with the idiotic interviewer who persisted with needling, sneering questions - "Do you think this is really only a musician's album for other musicians?" etc. - while sporting the kind of clenched smug grin that cried out for a Black and Decker drill to be put through it. I could have done with a lot more exploration and analysis of these "big blocks of sound" Scott was talking about, but instead we got an equally sneering link from Andrew Graham-Dixon. What a wasted opportunity, but then what does one expect from the sneering, Jowellite, Hornbyite, don't-bother-with-all-this-stuff-that's-so-difficult-to-listen to/look at vested interest cabal which constitutes the BBC these days? The organisation is rotten to the core.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah a total fucken let-down + missed opportunity - i totally admired scott's gd-natured patience in the face of some massively cretinous questioning - andrew graham dixon seems to know even less abt pop music than mark lawson!

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Sadly, Marcello more or less otm Though what annoyed me most about last nights show was the dismissal of Brit modernism and then using the Trellick Tower as an example of failed 60's architecture.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:08 (twenty years ago)

wow... you better not watch the movie... cause I think the bits from eno, cocker and goldrapp are taken from it. plus... isnt scott walker a 60s idol gone loco (for a while)?

i thought it was interesting and worth watching... but i do not hate the bbc as much as you do.

― Me, Friday, 31 March 2006 07:11 (twenty years ago)

I don't think they were sneering, at all, really, but the questions asked and the angle taken were rather lame, for the most part

bit like that muriel gray the tube interview on youtube but not as bad

scott still good, despite

goldfrapp was the worst: "this is proper music". did she say anything else? cocker said something that was OTT, too, but I forget

great, to see scott, though, and hear, a bit

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

yes, I think this TV bit probably gives a good idea of what the movie will be like

sitting through people you don't want to hear talking abt this, talking abt this, to get to see the scott bits

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

I think you all have far too high expectations of a telly prog called "the culture show", unfortunately

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:16 (twenty years ago)

Scott looked great! But when the voiceover said something about him "stumbling across French singer, Jacques Brel" I felt like switiching off - how difficult is for journalists to get stuff right these days??!?!??! Stupid pricks.

― Dadaismus Is A Very Magic Fellow (Dada), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:07 (twenty years ago)

Also referred to his 1984album 'Climate of the Hunter'...

But I dunno, I thought it was ok. SW seemed funny and gracious and thoughtful. It's a 7pm show aimed at a general audience, you know - not ILM nerds.

When I heard I was going to be interviewing SW a couple of weeks ago, I expressed my surprise/joy/nervousness to my cow-workers. They are a pretty bright bunch, but none of them had even heard of him! Which baffled me, but means I don't think you can forgo this kind of general, basic kind of introductory piece.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:36 (twenty years ago)

"cow-workers"
:-D

― willem -- (willem), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:38 (twenty years ago)

That tired old "it's a 7 pm show aimed at a general audience" excuse isn't going to work. In the '70s you had similar shows on at similar times and they did not indulge in this kind of dumbing down. I for one want more than idiot's guides for my licence fee money, and if the BBC can't provide them as per their remit they should be privatised immediately and see how they like it then.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:48 (twenty years ago)

Many things were different, in the 1970s. I'm sure '30th Century Man' will wind up on BBC4 eventually.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)

"Climate of the Hunter" and Jacques Brel is French. It's just sloppy and lazy shite thrown together by people who don't care about the subject.

― Dadaismus Is A Very Magic Fellow (Dada), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:59 (twenty years ago)

You don't have to be a nerd to expect the barest minimum of accuracy from broadcasters/journalists - DO SOME RESEARCH!!!

― Dadaismus Is A Very Magic Fellow (Dada), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:00 (twenty years ago)

it was a 10 minute segment on a 7PM show aimed at a general audience about an artist who hasn't has produced v much in the last 10 years and not v much, even, in the last 20 or 25 years that a lot of people will be familiar w/

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:03 (twenty years ago)

a stray "the" and calling someone who sang in french french isn't inaccuracy worth blowing yr top over

IT'S '30 CENTURY MAN' NO TH BLOODY HELL

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:06 (twenty years ago)

What exactly was different in the '70s? The average working week then was 48 hours, the same as it is now. Average incomes have not proportionally increased or decreased since then. So I don't buy the pretext that people don't have time to get into artist X in depth - I should be able to reasonably assume that people who watch a programme entitled The Culture Show are the kind of people who can reasonably be expected to know at least some of the background of the people who are featured on it.

The only thing that's different is Sky TV, etc., but where's the intellectual challenge in that? And what business has a station like BBC2, whose remit is supposedly arts and culture, to be putting out programmes like Eating With Cilla Black? If it's about audiences and they want to compete with Channel 4, then the security blanket of the licence fee should be withdrawn and they should compete in the marketplace, like everybody else.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Billy Dods OTM. There are a grillion examples of bad & hated brutalist architecture. So what does TCS do when needing a tower block to illustrate how "modernism is discredited in Britain"? It picks the Trellick, first tower block you can see when you peer out of your window in television centre, and never mind that it's by no means universally loathed, and has been increasingly fashionable popular and (even) loved over the last decade or two.

They should have got JtN on to interview Scott, too. At The Donkey Sanctuary, Salcombe Regis.

xpost: Eating with... is culture to, isn't it?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:26 (twenty years ago)

No, it's trash and should be on Sky Living Cannibalism Channel 392 or whatever the channel is.

As for the Trellick Tower, five minutes' walk from White City - cheap to do innit?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:31 (twenty years ago)

everything about the culture show is sloppy, smug, ill informed & the presenters are unctuous cretins. having said that i thought the VT / montage sequences / whatever they're called were really well done and scott looked and sounded wonderful.

― cw (cww), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

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