#1 favorite wu-tang member

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max, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

i've always kinda thought GZA was the most overrated. obv Liquid Swords rules but a lot of the best moments are down to RZA & the guests, and he just seems like the most humourless of the bunch? i mean fine he's 'the genius' but does that have to mean he can't crack a joke from time to time?

also he's always so calm and collected. it's like he never really attacks, unlike U-God who seems so grateful on the rare occasion that he's in the spotlight that he gets all excited and goes hell-for-leather.

jabba hands, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

i was jk about ugod. i agree he kills it on alot of the classic tracks.

chaki, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

haha, if i was gonna give a "sympathy vote" it would be for inspectah deck -- not out of pity at all, but because he actually IS an excellent MC with lots of great moments scattered across the wu canon who nonetheless gets overshadowed by every other wu-man. he's the wu's mc ren, or george harrison.

my real vote went to RZA -- because he's the sharpest motherfucker in the whole clan, he's always on point. Razor sharp—with the beats, with the rhymes, whatever ...

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

for lyrics Deck might be my number 1 too actually, but perhaps he isn't quite charismatic enough to win this. i'll prob go with Meth or RZA on a 'who is the most entertaining' basis.

jabba hands, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

i've always kinda thought GZA was the most overrated. obv Liquid Swords rules but a lot of the best moments are down to RZA & the guests, and he just seems like the most humourless of the bunch? i mean fine he's 'the genius' but does that have to mean he can't crack a joke from time to time?

um, how about "labels" from [i]liquid swords{/i]? his verse on "protect ya neck"? or "I came down with phat tracks that combine and interlock / Like getting smashed by a cinder block / Blaow! Now it's all over /Niggaz seeing pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars and green clovers"?

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

that's all great of course, he just strikes me as a bit of a boring dude!

jabba hands, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

but he is trying to be humorous on those tracks ... ah well, i didn't vote for him either (though i did vote for liquid swords on the wu-tang poll thread).

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

Meth is class president.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

deck's verse on "triumph" really makes the song

max, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^favorite verse on favorite wu-tang song

g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

ghostface

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

Juh-jukka-genius

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

POLL closes: May 05

2008?

StanM, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

No Cappadonna?

I think there's a difference between Wu-Tangers as group members and as solo artists. Some of them, like Deck or Ghost, fit really well into the group dynamic and have great verses on the Clan albums, but are kinda hard to take for the duration of a whole solo album.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

RONG

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

I know many will disagree, but I find Ghost's voice, flow, and lyrics to get kinda tiresome if I have to listen to him for 60+ minutes.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

i've always kinda thought GZA was the most overrated. obv Liquid Swords rules but a lot of the best moments are down to RZA & the guests, and he just seems like the most humourless of the bunch? i mean fine he's 'the genius' but does that have to mean he can't crack a joke from time to time?

gza's deadpan but he doesn't lack humor (maybe you're confusing him with killah priest ZING). in retrospect liquid swords got a lot of props, so gza's not as underrated as he used to be. deck and u-god are lifetime holders of that title. overrated? when he effortlessly drops hall-of-fame rhymes like this it's not possible:

doin' artists in like cain did abel
now they money's gettin' stuck to the gum under the table


he's not as wild as the others but the depth and craft in his lyrics is something else.

Edward III, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

U-God for sheer weirdness alone

braveclub, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still deciding, but I think it'll come down to either GZA or Ghost.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

unsurprisingly ODB for me. (this is favorite, not most talented, right?)

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

RZA, for accent, will, soundscape. deck is most underrated. GZA is corniest.

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

and randomness without clowning

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

GZA and Ghost have those great narratives, though. I'm not denying GZA's occassional wordplay overdose eyeroller of a track, but occassionally listening to those guys is like reading a Parker novel or something.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i don't like narrative tho

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

ghost in a pinch.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

1 for meth.

bell_labs, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

unlike U-God who seems so grateful on the rare occasion that he's in the spotlight that he gets all excited and goes hell-for-leather.

I don't agree that GZA takes it for granted/is too chill, but I'd agree with this statement wholeheartedly. The "raw like cocaine straight from Bolivia" verse is one of the best by anybody on 36 Chambers, and he rocks all over "Gravel Pit" and "Pinky Ring."

Deck has elsewhere on ILM been tagged "the greatest one-verse MC ever" which I find sadly true from the solo tracks I've checked out - I like them, but as Tuomas says about Ghostface, I can't really imagine 60 minutes of him front and center. GZA, Meth, no problem. But he makes "Triumph" and "Protect Ya Neck" as we all know, and, of course "7th Chamber" which gives us probably my favorite Wu snippet this side of "4th Chamber":

Yo, I leave the mic in body bags, my rap style has
the force to leave you lost like the tribe of Shabazz
Murderous material made by a madman
it's the mic wrecker, Inspectah, bad man


RZA's at a disadvantage here because half his contribution is in the production, which is pretty much fantastic across the board. When he's compared as an MC, he isn't quite in the top league - he has a bunch of great verses but also a number of kind of impenetrable wack things.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

impenetrable wack is what makes him good!

gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

7th chamber is the realest song on enter the wu

and what, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

i like the remix

deej, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

or 'part ii' or whatever its called

deej, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeah thats what i was talking about, what those deck rhymes are from

and what, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

RZA for me. Every time he mentions the applehead he makes the track.

No homo.

paulhw, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

rza then odb then ghost then meth then gza

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

raekwon

am0n, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

dr morbius

latebloomer, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Not even the "best," but these days my favorite is RZA easy. Specifically for his blunted delivery and verses on...

4th Chamber:
Aiyyo, camouflage chameleon - ninjas scalin your buildin
No time to grab the gun they already got your wife and children...


Assassination Day:
You can never master, it's invincible, Wu-Tang indispensable
One nation under God, indivisible
With liberty and justice, the mic is in my clutches
Thugs who bring ruckus, leave in crutches


Reunited:
Wu-Tang Incorp. take your brain on spacewalk
Talk strange like B-jork, great hero Jim Thorpe
How can I put it? Life is like video footage
Hard to edit, directors, they never understood it
...
Grow like a fetus with no hands and feet to complete us
and we return like Jesus, when the whole world need us


PS - His own solo stuff aside, Meth's the most consistent and really ought to win this thing - almost never less than great, and often brilliant. He pretty much holds Forever together. And his verse on Radioactive is sublime...

It ain't all to the good, muh'fuckers hatin in the hood
Gotta a hundred wolves waitin in the woods
for the Clan's forthcomin'
I miss you in the game a court summons
And fugitives of rap caught runnin, y'all get locked up
E'rything was wack 'til we popped up
And got it on and poppin like Orville Reddenbacher
Podnuh, you ain't got no wins in mi casa
Wu-Tang got ya, like every ghetto got a Tasha
Request lines are now open, you see these MC's chokin
and thinkin, "What's that SHIT they be smokin?"
I'm so focused, simple chronic halitosis
Keep my shit funky when I spit this braggadocious
[hach, spit] Y'all niggaz got some fuckin nerve
to critic what I write, that's my muh'fuckin word
Blah blah blah, like N'Sync
Kiss that ass "Bye Bye Bye" knahmsayin? I ain't playin...


U-God and Masta Killa are probably the most underrated.

rogermexico., Wednesday, 16 May 2007 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

gza - some of the best flows on 36 chambers and liquid swords is just brilliant

gman, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

This is too damn hard. I've managed to narrow it down to GZA & Ghost, but.......

The Reverend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Voted Gza cause the guy tried to steal my spaghetti during an interview.

MaGoGo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

POLL closes: May 05

2008?

-- StanM, Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:22 AM (1 week ago)

Poll Closing Date: Monday, May 4, 2020 7:00 PM

am0n, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

sweet.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

i wish i could go back and vote for rza

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

if only people hadn't posted who they voted for, so we could dig up the time capsule in 13 years and be surprised by the results

bernard snowy, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

if only people hadn't posted who they voted for, so we could dig up the time capsule in 13 years and be surprised by the results

in the future, u-god will be the most highly praised wu-tanger ...

... or, with a greater probability, method man will be the most highly praised wu-tanger and 13 years from now folks will be shocked that he got so little love back in the day.

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

U-God is awful. His verses are almost uniformly bad, IMHO.

RZA is a great lyricist and his beats (at least before 2000), are amazing.
GZA's verses are the most cerebral.
Inspectah Deck is a hugely underrated lyricist, and while he's not charismatic enough to handle a track alone, he always makes a track better (BTW, check his verse on "Let My Niggas Live"-- it's badass)
Ghostface is the most stream-of-consciousness and in many ways the most surreal lyricist.
ODB... well, you gotta love ODB.
I don't really care for Meth all that much. His style doesn't really fit in with the other members in my opinion.

Richard Wood Johnson, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

you sound like a valuable new poster

deej, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

i voted for Ghostface, although maybe i should have voted GZA. for year, Beneath the Surface was the only wu-tang album i owned.

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poortheatre, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

i voted gza.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:01 (six years ago)

RZA and U-God the only ones I don't own solo albums by

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:06 (six years ago)

Only 285 votes in all? Man, this place is tinier than I thought.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:06 (six years ago)

Confession: there were a number of years there where votes weren't being saved properly between server reboots and we've moved server about five times since this poll began so maybe better you just talk it out who is actually best

stet, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:20 (six years ago)

Poll rerun needed, finishing in 2033

all things must pasteurize (Matt #2), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:24 (six years ago)

Don't tempt me…

pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:25 (six years ago)

#1 favorite wu-tang member RERUN DUE TO SERVER ISSUES THIS IS CRUCIAL

nobody vote

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:27 (six years ago)

Confession: there were a number of years there where votes weren't being saved properly between server reboots and we've moved server about five times since this poll began so maybe better you just talk it out who is actually best

"Right speech means abstention ... from ... talk that may bring about hatred, enmity, disunity, and disharmony among individuals or groups of people"

lukas, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:47 (six years ago)

anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IiY38pUOBo

lukas, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:48 (six years ago)

pretty sure most of the votes i cast over the years were rza, gza and deck, so obviously these results are fatally tainted by the server resets and lose all legitimacy

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 02:23 (six years ago)

Nice distribution of points, although pretty impressed at how much Ghostface crushed it. His stock has gone way up over the past 15 or so years.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 03:51 (six years ago)

partially because of how prolific he's been, and how consistently listenable-to-good most of his releases were, even if he's treaded water for a while. not that this is why people voted for him, but he has never really stopped chugging along. Raekwon probably the closest in terms of releases and quality control.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 04:00 (six years ago)

how did U-God beat Masta Killa

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 04:00 (six years ago)

on the basis of "raw, I'ma give it to ya, with no trivia..." verse?

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 04:01 (six years ago)

Ghostface is the only one where I accrued lots and lots of solo/collab records, almost all being decent investments. Have no idea whether I voted though!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 04:17 (six years ago)

Love some u-god verses like on the completely bonkers Chercez LaGhost + Uzi, It’s Yourz, Chessboxin, Pinky Ring, Black Jesus, Click Click. Has way more classics than masta but masta gets credit for releasing a couple solid post wu prime solo albums.

Spottie, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 06:04 (six years ago)

three months pass...

so this is a nerd question but my wife was listening to a rza interview about his ice cream jingle and apropos of nothing he started raving about how much he fucking loves the mellotron

does anybody know any releases where rza uses the mellotron

planet mellotron is no use because the guy who runs that site is gatekeepy and doesn't count sampled mellotron, you know how gear nerds get

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 August 2020 15:21 (five years ago)

after all these years i think i miss the humble
and amiable u god the most

the late great, Saturday, 15 August 2020 17:40 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ed_n6r66v8

+ iirc, You Can't Stop Me Now? or some other late aughts Bobby Digital joints, i know there's more

xp

gaudio, Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:53 (five years ago)

thanks! cool jam, i'm not 100% sure that's _actually_ a tron, feel like it could be some willie mitchell strings? but it's a great song and it does _sound_ a lot like tron.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:32 (five years ago)

five years pass...

lol opened this thread and was like "wow look at those numbers, ILM truly used to get a lot more lurkers," and then read through and remembered we all voted like fourteen times each

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 20 May 2026 12:16 (three weeks ago)

Meth is class president.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:36 PM (nineteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

if there was any act where i'd love to see a high school superlatives applied to, it's the wu-tang

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 13:27 (three weeks ago)

Ghost.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 13:47 (three weeks ago)

cappadonna

ok (D-40), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 15:49 (three weeks ago)

Never catering to none iirc

Wildfowler (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 15:50 (three weeks ago)

I love most of U-God's bits and Masta Killa's leisurely disqusitions.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 15:50 (three weeks ago)

is there a thread where we can talk about underrated Wu albums

ok (D-40), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 15:57 (three weeks ago)

i was just listening to Ghost's Lost Tapes release, i like it

omar little, Wednesday, 20 May 2026 16:03 (three weeks ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVY5Aylav48

killarmy hive

ok (D-40), Wednesday, 20 May 2026 17:48 (three weeks ago)

obligatory spring water post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcnorT6sQg4

brimstead, Thursday, 21 May 2026 01:58 (three weeks ago)

inspectah deck was robbed tbh

ava (aiva), Thursday, 21 May 2026 09:16 (three weeks ago)

His intro in "Protect Ya Neck" is classic.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 May 2026 09:20 (three weeks ago)


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