Billy Corgan, TheFutureEmbrace (2005)

I loved that band more than life itself at one point.

i do kinca miss the orange translucent 7" with "Not Worth Asking" that was a super-limited bonus with the US vinyl of Pisces Iscariot, though. 'twas a really good early song of theirs.

now, see also, where's 'Jackie Blue' and the other verion of 'Honey Spider'?? dang it!

that Siamese single box was a grail for a LONG time. only have seen it twice. much like the Aussie 'Rocket' single. and where's 'Apathy's Last Kiss'?!!!

my all-inclusiveness knows no bounds...

"Apathy's Last Kiss" was a "Disarm" B-side. i think it was one of the 12"s i have...i have the purple marble vinyl 7" of "Disarm" that had "Siamese Dream" as its b-side as well. the marbleised vinyl is so gorgeous. as is the cranberry marblised vinyl gatefold Siamese Dream US album...and yes, have them all.

my all-inclusiveness knew no bounds. the things i've got left will probably never be sold, but then again, i used to say i'd never sell the things i have sold, so. XD still, i didn't really need the triple-gatefold UK Mellon Collie vinyl. the two bonus songs on it were really nothing to write home about, and i think i only listened to it once or twice. sure, the different song order was somewhat interesting, but not really that much. i did like the extra-huge (and lovely) lyrics book, though, with accompanying artwork.

(the SD vinyl sleeve is good in that it makes BC's writing of the lyrics on all the photographs almost legible. XD)

Their version of "My Blue Heaven" from The Aeroplane Flies High is really lovely too, just really warm and sweet.

Definitely a high point -- I think a lot of people were quietly and beautifully surprised by that one, which is why it lingers in the memory so. It was played live at least once.

shite! yr right!!!

if you REALLY wanted to get crazy, start plucking stuff from the Reel Time Sessions,the Gravity Demos, and more Machina 2(which is by FAR better than the official). the GD's are soooo good and rifftastic. but, you could also say 'they're demo's, so they don't count'...

but, i do.
if only for 'Jackboot', the uber-stomp riff throw down that ends viephoria. it's so...RAWK!!!

Been listening to a bunch of these today (copies I already had). "Plume" is a really pretty song. I like a lot of the later stuff, too, but there's something to be said for the early cuts where he multi-tracked and flanged and effects-ed the hell out of his voice rather than embraced the whine.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:4d57gjtr56in

well, you can get parts of this in the Gravity Demos. i think there's roughly 1/4 of the PM in it's entirety. thas why i'm sayin it's so kewl. mad rawk-ackshun.

as for M-II, i wouldn't hold yr breath. if Virgin didn't see the worth of it then, i doubt they will soon. unless there's a resurgence of SP nostalgia, and that resurgence is BIG. perhaps it'll see the light after 2007, when the Virgin contract runs out...ditto Metro DVD and gawd knows what else has been kept back...

i DO know that BC wasn't too please when the Reel Time Sessions got all over the place. or MAshed Potatoes, either. in fact, i think he really only sanctioned the Gravity Demos and M-II.

and yes, 'plume' is a wonderful song...and i utterly agree. fuzzed+phased=grand!!

oh to hear the SD demos...the unreleased or reworked songs...too bad.

Understood...but goddamn I'm happy that finally came out in a clean version.

(Yes I'm going to see if I can link to him anyway.)

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2R3YKOMV6XDU81GZR9PO89DBEE

Adore indeed. I love it.

Better than "Appels + Oranjes" and "Daphne Descends," but not nearly as great as "Pug" or "To Sheila."

Is Billy the newest addition to the Morr Music roster?

That's a pretty gay album cover, if I do say so myself.

"A100" greatly increased my anticipation of hearing a Billy Corgan solo record.

Until now. After viewing the cover, I want to punch him in the face.

This sounds exactly like what I'd expect of Billy Corgan, 10 years on from the last good song he wrote. Aimless wash of nasality and over-production, zero impact. Poor guy. I mean, if your job is "musician," you can't really just quit--but he should've tried.

The bit about Pajo made me chuckle.

I wrote a review of it on Static Multimedia, fwiw. I think its a really enjoyable record.

Oh...and I don't think it was mentioned, but Earphoria was officially released by Virgin in the winter of 2002, so stores should still have it in stock.

Personally, I'm real back and forth on Corgan the man. But I believe in Corgan the artist. I have a similar thing with Ryan Adams.

Mina Loy (M.O.H) is an excellent song and easily the best off the album, but I loved Adore and I think this one pales in comparison. (They are both synthey and dense.)

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/exclusives/music/ls_ex_music_billycorgan.shtml

That's a goddamn shame.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/29/arts/music/29corg.html

"Goth bus drivers *never* go out of style!"

(I am miffed I will have to miss this tour, I have to say.)

I listened to Pumpkins all the time, 91-94. All the time.

Yet I recently realized I could not recall a single thing about them--you could play a 16 Horsepower song and say it was SP and I'd be like, "Okay."

I mean, never has something gone into my brain and left with so scant a trace. If it wasn't for his song on the Lost Highway st, I wouldn't even know what his voice sounded like.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506210240jun21,1,5197990.story

I suddenly really love this album.

I still enjoy it. Been a while since I gave it an ear, though.

I've never heard it in full before. The synths are Numanesque in parts. & guitar in the chorus of "Mina Loy" is awesome.

The synths are Numanesque

Oh please don't blaspheme like that.

hard to believe this came out ten years ago. "all things change" and "now and then" are great songs but those loud, dry vocals just sound awful. not an album to listen to around other people

also LOL at the notion that this is the "successful" version of what he was trying to do with Adore

Is he going to reissue this under the name of "William Corgan"? :D

i liked this record a lot when it came out but it really is the start of his unfortunate vocal production

making his voice palatable to millions was such an unlikely achievement to begin with that it kinda figures that any mild change to the recipe would spell disaster

it's not just the dryness though, because the vocals are just as high and dry on MCIS. imo, Adore is his best album vocally by a longshot. even the vocals on Machina sound better than MCIS in places. take Thirty-Three - imagine those vocals produced like Blank Page or something. taking vocal lessons or the damage done after half a dozen world tours changed the way his bleat. it's a thin line

Last thing of his I actively sought out. Then he revived the SP name and I was all "Haha, no."

everyone on netphoria stans for the live-only outtakes of this era, i'm not so sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-oO1iJuYHs

Last thing of his I actively sought out. Then he revived the SP name and I was all "Haha, no."

― Ned Raggett, Monday, April 6, 2015 8:05 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Which is a shame, because Oceania is a really good record and without a doubt the best thing he's done since!

Oash is really good because he put his heart into it. the most recent album is another cynical attempt to become relevant again (like machina & zeitgeist). TFE is pure-intentioned but still misses the mark. those vocals......AGH!!!!! mary star of the sea is fine but man if he had just recorded the pomona 2001 group of songs, Zwan wouldn't be a trivial pursuit answer.

To be honest, I was a bit annoyed when he just dropped the Oceania line-up like that. If there was any line-up that could have become the second definitive Pumpkins line-up after the original, it was that one.

i kind of hated the teen drummer but otherwise i'm down with that idea

the "G.L.O.W." single >>>>> any SP song or full-length of the post-2005 era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEMv2GuHwI

lmao at the electronic drums setup here