Don't worry, Vinyl Surplus, us ugglos still come in too.
― I eat cannibals, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Amoeba Music in Hollywood sells about 2,000 vinyl LPs a day
I wonder how many of those are used. 50% or more, I'd bet.
― Romeo Jones, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
probably more like 75 i bet
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
also yeah ugly ppl have kept vinyl in business. don't diss your core audience.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
amoeba records makes way more $$$ on used than new vinyl so they're probably very ok with that.
― Steve Shasta, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
<S>amoeba records</S>most record stores makes way more $$$ on used than new vinyl so they're probably very ok with that.
-- Steve Shasta, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:30 (4 hours ago) Link
^^^ fixed. it's a simple matter of mark-up; newbury comics makes way more money on used CDs than they do on new CDs, by the same token.
― ian, Monday, 18 August 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The very real possibility that vinyl will outlive CD - T or F?
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, the author here seems a bit clueless re: the real economics behind record stores ... but so do the Major Labels:
Next month, Capitol/EMI will launch "From the Capitol Vaults," with the release of 13 titles on vinyl, including Radiohead's "OK Computer" and Steve Miller Band's "Greatest Hits 1974-1978."
― Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I wonder how long it will take major labels to realize that the way to exploit the vinyl market is NOT with high priced "collectors items" but with desirable catalog titles that command high prices in the aftermarket.
― ian, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link
They would respond but they are two busy with the burnt orange colored vinyl for the Gavin Rossdale solo album.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Daily Swarm today:
Best Buy 'considering devoting eight square feet of merchandising space in all of its 1,020 stores solely to vinyl'...http://www.nypost.com/seven/04272009/business/best_buy_turning_the_tables_with_vinyl_166384.htm
Three New Vinyl Shops Open in Los Angeles...http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-et-vinyl26-2009apr26,0,1957135,full.story
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
As a CD-buyer for 18 years, I'm having a collector nerd crisis whether I should jump on this trend or not
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link
ditto what Whiney said
― just being playful and friendly (some dude), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't buy too many records and haven't bought a new record in a long while. it's mainly old jazz/blues comps that I end up purchasing. But if every new record came with a download coupon and I invested in a decent turntable (mine is kinda crappy) I can see buying the record instead of the CD.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
eventually, i want to sell some new vinyl at my soon-to-open store. i'm scared of the money involved though. i'll start small. i was thinking of being genre specific. JUST selling psych reissues or something...
i'll have to see what people are into around here. lotsa freekfolkers in western mass though. and not a lot of competition for new vinyl. so the psych thing might work.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
every record does have a download coupon, it's called "(artist name) + (album name) + mediafire or megaupload or sharebee etc"
― ~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Especially since record companies are sending less physical copies of records in the mail every year. I've been going to the record store and picking up CDs I really like (I didn't get physical promos for Springsteen, Bat For Lashes or Doom)...
--But should I be getting vinyl copies of these albums instead?--Is the ease of 320k or 192k rips ANY TIME I NEED THEM for all eternity better or worse than having something that looks better and (hypothetically) sounds better?--Should I take into consideration how easy it it to scratch/warp/fuck up a piece of vinyl, ruining it forever, as opposed to a CD that pretty much will play as long as you don't put them in your backpack without a case like a see kids do on the subway?--What about my CD shelves when I have four spines of a group, but then have to go to my record collection for the fifth record?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
omar, living on downloads alone is essentially saying "I don't care about data backup"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
from that l.a. link, origami records is "okay". they just have run of the mill mainstream indie vinyl right now, i hope they expand into used lps and other genres. vacation is pretty dope, lots of metal, experimental, and psych.
more interested in this astonishing-sounding place, tbh:
http://www.foodgps.com/more-info-on-territory-bbq-and-records/
― ~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
oh i never live on downloads, i usually DL just to see if i want to get something in a physical copy. or if it's something that is long out of print.
― ~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
CDs are the new vinyl. Scored 10 amazing CDs for $5.This sealed Chris Gaines CD will pay for the whole lot in five years I reckon, so it's like I got them for free.Haven't seen vinyl go for such firesale prices since a few years back getting the Rush back catalog for 10cents an album.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I've been getting crazy CDs off Amazon. You can pretty much have any Madonna record released after 1988 for a penny.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
CDs are the new vinyl. Scored 10 amazing CDs for $5
So been having fun with this at Amoeba's clearance section as well.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
dollar dvds at thrift stores too. i love that. you can't give the stuff away.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
i think my favorite thing about the whole vinyl market right now is that it makes my goal of someday releasing an album and actually pressing it on vinyl seem like way less of an unfeasible pipedream
― just being playful and friendly (some dude), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
any Madonna record released after 1988 for a penny.
Well, a penny plus postage, right? Which always seems to nullify the deal for me, but maybe I'll come around. Do need to start hunting around for used CDs in stores more, though.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, so like $3. Which is still cheaper than the $7.99 at a used CD store.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
scott ur in western MA right? where is your store?
― mark cl, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
"Haven't seen vinyl go for such firesale prices since a few years back getting the Rush back catalog for 10cents an album.
― Philip Nunez"
you got ripped off.
― pipecock, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
my store will be located on main street in greenfield. right next to tofu a go go.
we had problems with the original space we rented (um, pee pee water dripping down onto our space from the aprtmenent above.) otherwise, we would have been open by now. but i've been having fun making money on ebay and drinking and hanging out with my kids.
x-post
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
im still interested in hearing about which records you guys got from john storm roberts's collection!
― 69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i def buy a lot of vinyl but always have, but i echo other sentiments about CDs! great deals now all over the place...
seriously you can get like every great jazz record ever made on some fancy pants new great sounding remastered CD issue for like peanuts!
― Domm P))) (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
buying dollars cd's is the new buying dollar records
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
cool scott i'm in northampton so i'll definitely pay your store a visit when it's open
― mark cl, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
my sister-in-law lucia lives in northampton. she's a peddle person.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if that Chris Gaines CD is any good. Seems like an important period piece.
― Kevin Yates, Phys. Ed. (u s steel), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
CD sales in Norway increased by 30-40 per cent from the first three months of 2008, so it seems it isn't only vinyl that makes a return.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i've been buying up used House albums and mix CDs, shit like the Metro Area album (which i already have doubles of on wax ;) for $2.50. you cant really argue with that. Dimitri from Paris mix CDs are for suckers @ $16, decent value for $1.
― pipecock, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
CD sales in Norway increased by 30-40 per cent from the first three months of 2008
^ Geir got his tax return, bought three or four CDs
― Bostin' Legal (sic), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
For no good reason, I associate the decline and return of the LP with the rise and fall of American conservatives. The Clinton years even coincide nicely with the Incredibly Strange Music crate digging years.
― bendy, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link
So what kind of mastering job can I expect if I buy one of the major label vinyl reissues/new releases? Do they compress it all to hell just like it was a CD? Do they even bother mastering it differently for the vinyl release, counting on the fact that most people will buy it as a fetish object and never actually listen to it?
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 12:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Good question - haven't heard a new major label LP in a while. I will say that most indie 7"s are mastered very badly. They don't send back test pressings b/c they aren't up to snuff as often as they used to, it seems.
― Mark, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link
i think the last major label vinyl i bought was the robert plant/alison krauss album and it sounds great.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Bought a batch of punk rock 7" lately that do not sound as good as the versions on their respective myspaces.
― bendy, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link
last Al Green LP sounded nice on wax.
― pipecock, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
New albums sound better on CD than vinyl in most cases.
― Reatards Unite, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought that post was going to be by Geir
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I bought the Neil & Crazy Horse at the fillmore LP and it sounds great! But it's a fancy schmancy audiophile deal (Quiex!) and probably not representative. complaining about the fidelity of punk singles, btw, seems like a losing battle.
― ian, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link
One thing I noticed while DJ-ing a couple years ago, mixing occasional recent indie 45s into lots of old 45s and LPs, is that the newer vinyl seemed to be mastered noticeably quieter, and thinner sounding, in comparison -- it really drove me crazy during segues. Not sure if that's improved during the vinyl quasi-boom of the past couple years since or not. (Of course, the 45s I was playing weren't necessarily representative of recent vinyl in general -- they may well have been exceptions to the rule, though I did notice a trend.) And something that became clear when Ed Christman reported his long return-of-vinyl cover story that I edited for Billboard the year before last is that, even if people are buying incrementally more vinyl than they were in the early '00s, that doesn't mean the vinyl pressing plants can afford to stay open -- lots of them have shuttered. And even for the ones that do stay open, replacement parts for the machines aren't being manufactured like they used to be, and the people who used to be trained to run those machines are getting older and retiring or dying. It's not a job young people tend to seek out anymore. So sometimes I wonder if the skill set and materials just aren't there anymore to make quality vinyl. And either way, I'm skeptical that the format could come back full force without those workers and machines. (And right, heavy-gram audiophile vinyl would obviously fit the "quality" requirement, but that seems even more a specialty market than vinyl in general. Those records are real expensive.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i agree about most new stuff sounding better on cd. most are made digitally FOR cd. so, most new vinyl is just a vinyl copy of a cd. so, unless you are a dj or a collector it seems silly to buy, like, new electronic albums on vinyl.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
anyway, this is a fairly recent thing. it didn't used to work that way.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
they must mention it on sites like cdbaby if you use their services: "if you put your stuff here and someone types your name on youtube it will appear there. just so you know."
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link
if they provide the videos and the correct iswc / isrc / whatever then they will be paid for plays of those videos.
― koogs, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
just seems weird. they probably need more views than they will ever get to make any money and the 20 people interested in their music will listen to it on youtube and never buy their cdbaby cd.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
― scott seward, Friday, May 20, 2016 12:18 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not in so many words, but apparently enough to cover themselves legally. I used CDBaby for a couple of things years ago, before youtube existed, and whaddyaknow, there's my shit on youtube!
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
went into my least favorite record store yesterday. things have actually gotten worse. two of my favorite pricings were a used copy of Trans for $35 (justified by a sticker saying it is a 1st edition with a typo) and a used copy of Katy Lied for $25. I hope every track is misspelled on that one!
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
another $100 record had a sticker that said "listed at $150 on amazon!"
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link
"and a used copy of Katy Lied for $25. I hope every track is misspelled on that one!"
there is actually a copy of Gaucho inside it. very rare.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
basically stuff that isn't on youtube will magically be on youtube if you search for it on youtube sometimes
http://www.statista.com/statistics/259477/hours-of-video-uploaded-to-youtube-every-minute/
it seems like youtube has upwards of 500 hours of video uploaded to it every minute. chance are if you are searching for something it is going to turn up eventually, if only temporarily.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
you think 15 bucks is too much for a really clean copy of the first nitzer ebb album? u.s. copy on geffen. 1987 pressing. i could be nice and just put 10 on it...
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link
there isn't a single person in the u.s. selling a copy of the nitzer ebb album on discogs. kinda hard to believe. okay, 15 bucks in the store and 20 on discogs. win/win!
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:29 (eight years ago) link
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― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, May 20, 2016 1:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't why these situations / types of stores are so common around the country, but it's fascinating to see so many of them alive at this point. You'd think they'd be the first to die.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Eh, Scott I'd have done $10 for it.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
i never see their records on vinyl anymore actually...
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
it's like front 242. used to see their records everywhere not that long ago. or maybe it was long ago...
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link
i'm actually charging extra five bucks for the near mint vinyl + original inner sleeve. if it had been VG+ i would have done 10.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link
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I've never seen anyone buying them, though I'm sure someone does.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 17:44 (eight years ago) link
Front 242 rule.
xp 15 is fair IMO
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
scott should start a thread where we can price a small selection of his bargain bin. maybe he could slap a "priced by strangers!" sticker on each.
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
though I would love to see people look at a $100 copy of Tango in the Night with the sticker "Alfred told me to!", it is probably not the best way to run a business
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link
front 242 wax trax reissues used to be everywhere for cheap. i can sell the hell out of geography.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 May 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
xp LOL
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Friday, 20 May 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
I bought Tango on vinyl BITD, disk is so thin you could pick your teeth with it
― it's getting ott in here / so take off all your clothes (stevie), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
My Tango has a bad place on track two on both sides (probably the same bad place).
― Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link
slap a "has two side As!" sticker on it and sell for $650
― bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:44 (eight years ago) link
On behalf of Chuck Eddy, I'd like to price all your moderately-credible hard rock at $5. ANGEL CITY MOTHERFUCKERS
― hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 21 May 2016 05:40 (eight years ago) link
ANGEL CITY MOTHERFUCKERS
words to live by
― da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 May 2016 05:48 (eight years ago) link
my friend mike came in during the noise nomads matinee today and i sold him the nitzer ebb for ten bucks. #friendsandfamilydiscount
― scott seward, Sunday, 22 May 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link
I paid $1 for the first one and $2.99 for the second, but I definitely got more than $10 worth of entertainment from each over the years so I'd say your friend did ok.
I don't remember much Front 242 vinyl being around in Cleveland in the late '80s/early '90s. I think Back Catalogue was the first import CD I ever bought, or maybe it was the first Throwing Muses album. Seemed very exotic buying a disc without a longbox.
http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/IMG_4482.JPG
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 13:03 (eight years ago) link
Returning to the crazily-overpriced records point: at the Strand, everything is $25. This is already a price point where I almost certainly will not buy a record, but my favorite was that it even applied each of the two Use Your Illusions. Fifty dollars for the whole thing! Holy shit! You could get used copies of the original LPs for substantially less, and the whole thing on CD for what, a dollar fifty?
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 October 2017 13:25 (seven years ago) link
It's laughable. I mentioned on the Neil Young thread seeing a reissue of Decade for $80. I'd estimate that $80 got me every Neil Young album from the first through to Re·ac·tor (14 albums) first time around--Rust Never Sleeps or Hawks & Doves at a minimum.
― clemenza, Sunday, 15 October 2017 14:27 (seven years ago) link
hi, bye
https://pitchfork.com/news/devastating-manufacturing-plant-fire-threatens-worldwide-vinyl-record-supply/
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Friday, 7 February 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link