slint -- _spiderland_: classic or dud

wait, you think that wham invented rap? are you insane?

please take the time to educate yourself before you rush to say that a pop group from circa the mid 80s (many years after the 'invention' of rap) infact invented rap.

Roberto sometimes misspeaks - I believe he meant, and this is an uncontroversial opinion I think, that Wham perfected rap - as Roberto knows, there were others before Wham, like C.W. McCall for instance, but it was Wham who really solidified the genre musically

Wham Rap and Young Guns (Go For It) were also the the zenith of pop's attempt to fuse hard-hitting commentary on the nature of society with undeniable musical invention, thereby a) making music that appealed equally to both pop culture theorists and chart fans and b) creating a force for social change whose impetus was undeniable.

everyone knows blondie invented rap, slint invented hardcore techno

I think you'll find Blondie invented reggae, rather than rap, but it's easy to get the two confused!

Wilco invented sampling -- check out Yankee Hotel Foxtrot!!

Don woke up,
And looked at the night before
He knew what he had to do
He was responsible
In the mirror,
He saw his friend
Niggaaaa

I see what you're getting at, Roberto - that makes a pretty good case for Wu-Tang ripping more or less their entire catalogue from Slint. Good spot!

daaaamn brother, check all dem hoes names on tweez they done banged!

Don woke up,
And looked at the night before
He knew what he had to do
He was responsible
In the mirror,
He saw his friend
Niggaaaa

loooooooooool

gaaaaaaahhhh ahahahah

it was an exciting time for music. just months before this album's release, MBV had opened new doors for rock music by incorporating elements of dance music in "Soon," from the Glider EP.

And in late 1990, the Soup Dragons built on the pioneering work of Blondie a decade or so before and popularised reggae around the world with the "toasting" section of I'm Free.

And in late 1990, the Soup Dragons built on the pioneering work of the Monkees two decades before and popularized downtempo big-beat trip-hop around the world with "Softly".

daaaamn brother, check all dem hoes names on tweez they done banged!

Don't know about the rest of you cats, but I clicked SB like a motherfucker.

http://i54.tinypic.com/k2ela1.png

x-post And "Convoy" was written with Chip Davis, so if C.W. McCall invented rap (and I believe he did) then surely that laid the groundwork for Chip Davis subsequently inventing ambient/chill out/chillwave music.

I always thought ambient/chillout/chillwave music was invented when Duran Duran become the first pop group to use the synthesiser in 1985. But it sounds like I'm wrong on that.

Nah. You're getting things mixed up. You're thinking of Chip Taylor, of Duran Duran, who invented the synthesizer (and wrote "Wild Thing"/"Angel in the Morning").

Chip Davis invented the preset.

Hold up mane, I think Hongro Horace just invented the bitch ass comment only two hours ago in this very thread.

^^^ Needs more blackface

oh gosh darn horace, I thought you were better at the internet than this. nevermind.

20 years old this week. I did an interview with a radio station in Australia that devoted a 2-hour show to the anniversary. (Featuring a rarely heard clip of Maurice, Pajo and Walford's metal band that predated Slint).

just listened this morning! without knowing about any anniversary. anyone who doesn't like "good morning, captain" is no friend of mine!

20 years old ... guess this is one of those records that's never going to really sound "dated"?

I think I said something similar in the interview!

xpost.

oh and hey, i put up this pretty nice live recording of the band yesterday: http://ow.ly/4mA9E

Is that the one that ends with the Neil Young cover?

yeah, it's got a killer Cortez the Killer on there.

That's a good one. I have another Chicago 89 boot that is almost all Tweeze material but includes a super early version of "Washer" - all instrumental and with a much more rudimentary structure.

sounds cool - the one i posted is the only slint live show I have.

So in case you missed it, David Pajo put up the 1985 Maurice demos on his bandcamp page. I wrote a small amount of background about it. This demo was recorded at the behest of Glenn Danzig after Maurice asked if they could open for Samhain on the Midwest leg of their tour.

It's pretty freakin' metal. I think the most noteworthy thing about it is how insanely good Walford and Pajo were at their instruments at age 15.

Oh God Maurice were so fucking great

I saw them open for Samhain in Louisville in the gym attached to a church!

Sean Garrison had so much end-of-the-world / Satan-surveys-the-mosphit charisma you can't even imagine it

that band was intense in every sense: original, powerful, kinda uncannily serious about what they were doing

I'm a fanboy for real and I still treasure my orange and black Maurice t-shirt like a holy relic

the demo is awesome too but the live shows were the real thing

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6026/5915969886_7d53c82d4f_z.jpg

That is amazing!

I think the most noteworthy thing about it is how insanely good Walford and Pajo were at their instruments at age 15.

Walford is the drummer on the first Squirrel Bait album iirc and that was from the same year. Drums are great on that too.

this sounds very good so far

i wish spiderland were a bit ~heavier~

Walford only played on two songs on the first SB album, but yeah, the drumming is great in any case. He was a monster.

Maurice's song "The Struggle" was kind of a manifesto for Louisville HC/metal kids in highschool, the band made a poster with the lyrics and medieval torture illustrations and some sick pictures of Walford with an extremely long devilock flailing around if I recall correctly- the chugging riffs that started "the Struggle" always sound to me like the DNA of the Slint-circa-Tweeze sound too for that matter. this is making me super nostalgic about how fun it was to grow up in Louisville back then.

You could connect those chugging riffs to "Glenn," I think.

one last nostalgic outburst: I was accused of being a "Slint-worshipper" by a CRASS loving anarcho-punk kid in highschool who didn't like my zine and decided to diss me because I wrote an elaborately loving tonguebath review of Slint's show at my highschool in said zine

my friend john lived down there as a kid and he just moved around the corner from me here in western mass. when i was on a panel with d. grubbs in feb. i asked him if he remembered john and his eyes lit up and he said "john a! well, that was his punk name back then..."

lamest punk name ever! hahaha! but i call him that now when i see him. i will listen to these demos. never heard them before.

You could connect those chugging riffs to "Glenn," I think.

Haha - Pajo just commented on my blog post and said that that riff in "The Struggle" was indeed repurposed for "Glenn"! Day made.

Okay now get him to tell us if they're ever going to release a proper recurring of "King's Approach"

RECORDING

I wrote about Spiderland here:

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/slint-spiderland-round-46-toms-selection/

I think it's remarkable...but what do I know?

I do think it helps if you are not aware of the album's reputation and legacy before hearing it (but if you're reading this thread, presumably you will be).

I'm surprised that anyone on here doesn't like Spiderland. I guess I don't know you that well