not sure if ur trolling or not
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe eat an apple, go for a walk. i dunno what timezone you're in.
I would assume that someone who cares enough to defend their view with complete sentences isn't trolling.
Of course I am not trolling, I have an opinion I care about and have thought about.
― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i for one thank my lucky stars that someone has the courage to take the newspapers to task
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:27 (fourteen years ago) link
man this mahnola dargis review is totally biased
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, sarcasm is so respectful. You identify with and defend the NYT without feeling you have to write more than a sentence. That makes you a bully.
Also, when are you going to write a thoughtful remark. You make another insinuation, for someone who loves the NYT so much you sure are thoughtless. I don't "think highly of myself" as having "courage", do you always come to message boards with a chip on your shoulder.
― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, you do your own opinion a disservice when you refuse to defend your own reaction or engage people like a human being. Why then should I find you convincing. Your style is little better than a high school bully.
― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link
this is n/l
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link
where did u come from
umm, if you feel you're being bullied, i seriously envy how little you know about being bullied
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link
is us steel pitchfork reviews reviewsbro?
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:35 (fourteen years ago) link
seems to be nytimes articles reviewsbro
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I have attended journalism classes and even thought of being a journalist myself.
^^ needs to reach meme status imo
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Excuse me sir, are you interested in getting into a detailed argument with me here? Because I don't like taking too much space in a message board and I'm sorry about that.
actually this is better
like i am sure that you are good people and all, us steel, but you seem to be inferring nefariousness from NYT times which i honestly feel is not there. no offense intended.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Experts Fear Mideast Talks Are Too AmbitiousBy ISABEL KERSHNERPublished: September 2, 2010JERUSALEM — As the Israeli and Palestinian leaders pledged at the peace summit meeting in Washington this week to try to resolve the core issues that have long divided their people and bloodied the land, a growing number of stakeholders here in Israel worried that the two sides were aiming too high.
JERUSALEM — As the Israeli and Palestinian leaders pledged at the peace summit meeting in Washington this week to try to resolve the core issues that have long divided their people and bloodied the land, a growing number of stakeholders here in Israel worried that the two sides were aiming too high.
this is how it's done: EXPERTS fear the talks are too ambitious. me? nyt reporter? could not say. no feeling one way or another. just gonna write it up using the neutral and nonjudgemental medium we like to call english.
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:40 (fourteen years ago) link
no offense nrq but... have you ever taken a journalism class?
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link
or even thought about being a journalist yourself?
because im not sure youre qualified to have this discussion
Let's review the press, shall we?
The NYT article is inaccurate. Here is the Chicago Tribune article linked to through Wikipedia ( a much fairer, less curmudgeonly and better researched article):
But Pitchfork's rave review for Radiohead's highly anticipated "Kid A" album in fall 2000 brought an influx of new readers from other band Web sites and message boards. Though the writing on the site remains wildly erratic, it is fervent; the most hostile reviews are written with the passion of a freshly jilted lover berating her ex. And the rave reviews carry weight with readers looking for the next big thing.
Kid A: not mainstream "rock".
x-post to "i am legernd" (your opinion toward the media is passive and cynical...I am just trying to be helpful in indicating that actual journalism programs don't recommend certain approaches). Anyway, mainstream newspapers write bad or misleading headlines all the time, that doesn't mean we the readership should let it slide.
I rest my case that ONE NYT article is inappropriate, thoughtless and inaccurate. I am just horrified that they did something so unprofessional and this isn't the first time, either.
contenderizer, I have seen this attitude toward blogs or so-called "indie" sites TOO many times from allegedly authoritative news sources like the New York Times.
Is inferring nefariousness a crime? You don't care enough to make a convincing argument to the contrary.
― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link
you are an actual nut
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link
but i dont like taking too much space in a message board
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link
http://yessteelecan.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/peanut1.jpg
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link
For the record, I think there is plenty of professional, thoughtful writing in the NYT. I take the time to read it. This isn't an example of that. I would think that being shocked the NYT would do something so foolish would indicate that I expect better of them.
― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link
http://orangenuts.com/images/the_actual_nut.jpg
this is all because the nyt said that pitchfork had 'a limited range of interests' or
― just sayin, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it's more about how much they hate latins
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
both of these seem to be pretty inarguable imo
― just sayin, Friday, 3 September 2010 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link
IRL LOL
― FRESH MEAT (MFB), Friday, 3 September 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahahahahahha this is great
― call all destroyer, Friday, 3 September 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
glad u s steel has been outed as a complete maniac
what in the world is going on itt
― markers, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
u s steel has had the Nude Spock book thrown at him more than once iirc
― great British wasteman = u (DJ Mencap), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
u s steel is definitely not nude spock, who was more of a crafty supervillain
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 3 September 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah this is entry-level nutbardom but still pretty great
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think it's nutty - considering how people on ilx regularly go apopletic about details and minor signifiers (e.g. politics of messenger bags).
― sarahel, Friday, 3 September 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ you dont think this is nutty, and also terrific
― max, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
lollin all over again
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it's terrific, but only nutty in that it's basically saying "i don't give a fuck" about the ilx social conventions
― sarahel, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
oh my god how did i miss all this until now. US STEEL NEVER LEAVE US.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't said anything yet but I think u s steel is one of the best writers i've read in a long time.
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahahhahaha
― call all destroyer, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
he's no mar1ssa though
― sarahel, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
think in the wake of blair and miller, the nyt could do worse than to hire u s steel, a man of integrity -- and one with a keen eye on the wordcount
― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, 3 September 2010 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
well, he's more concise than the PRR guy
― sarahel, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
what's funny is i'm p sure what offended us steel was simply caramanica giving prr dude's account, but departing from direct quotes, tho it's hard to be certain without reading the whole piece, which i'm so not gonna do.
btw markers it's totally all your fault and don't let anyone tell u different
― zvookster, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
haaaa
― markers, Friday, 3 September 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link
― ('_') (omar little), Friday, September 3, 2010 9:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
ow
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Friday, 3 September 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
ok i'm reading this guy for the 1st time, the post on the arcade fire album, and its kinda gripping. it actually reads pretty similarly to certain ilm posters when they go in-depth and just freewheel on a topic (which i tend to enjoy!)
― ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
us steel not the first to be outraged by Jon Caramanica's bias:
http://waltbennett.com/wordpress/?p=1165
Who The Hell Is Jon Caramanica?
The doughy white dude who wants to teach us about race.
Thirty-four years old, 12 or so years out of Harvard. Writes about music for the New York Times.
Quite white.
Yep, I absolutely agree that Jon Caramanica is qualified to tell us what’s wrong with John Mayer, and to assure us that “what Mr. Mayer might perceive as a progressive understanding of race can be just as shortsighted and pat as a conservative one. It also shows just how easy it is to presume that cultural intimacy means comprehension.”
Let me just ask now: Has Caramanica spoken to Mayer about his true views?
I’ll answer my own question: Caramanica has no clue and doesn’t care. He had one motive in his “review” of Mayer’s MSG concert: To kick up as much dust as possible in the hope that somebody would care about his opinion.
Oh, right: Because you know better than Mayer does what it means to be black in America.
Which we can tell by looking at your picture. Or from the fact that you hang with black musicians. Or from the explanations you provided in this hit job.
Please, Mr. “I went to Harvard so I could write music reviews”, please oh please tell us all that you know about race which eludes Mayer.
But here is my real question: Why does Mother Times allow people such as Caramanica to wander so far from their mandate, especially when it’s for clear self-aggrandizing purposes?
Or is it Mother Times’ opinion that Caramanica has elevated this discourse and shared with us something which is so meaningful that they just had to let it through?
More likely: Do they even acknowledge such a thing anymore as journalistic standards?
― President Keyes, Friday, 3 September 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link