Has Led Zeppelin Dated Poorly?

(we are WAY off-topic now, sorry)

This period saw Jackson enjoy "a level of superstardom previously known only to Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and Frank Sinatra."(62) This success led to him to be dubbed the "King of Pop",(2). The nickname was conceived by actress and friend Elizabeth Taylor when she presented Jackson with an "Artist of the Decade" award in 1989, proclaiming him "the true king of pop, rock and soul."(63)

3 seconds on Wikipedia to refute the "he called himself 'The King of Pop'" claim.

can I just say i love this thread. only on ILM can 50% of the posts on a Led Zep thread be about Michael Jackson...

e.g. you get people who are pretty into music by any country's standards who literally haven't heard of Rush or CCR.

-- caek, Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:41 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
totally OTM
I know Fortunate Son. that's it.

hey guys, have your heard that yoko ono song, "what a waste"?

I'm with Shakey on Jax, even though I disagree with him on Sabbath v. Zep.

"get people who are pretty into music by any country's standards who literally haven't heard of Rush or CCR."

Depressing.

lolz @ Elizabeth Taylor as objective bestower of royal titles wtf dan

we should join together to bring more ccr to the youth of the world!

I mean CLEARLY she did that without any prompting or orchestration on the part of MJ's media team, and the title was arrived at via careful and thorough deliberation

we should join together to bring more ccr to the youth of the world!

a cause we can all get behind

lol @ Shakey being Shakey

(Basically, the genesis of the title is not nearly as important as the fact that everyone basically picked it up and ran with it, practically en masse; first in the media, then in the business and people's everyday lives. It is now a moniker by which he is known and your "but he doesn't DESERVE it!" stance doesn't actually make any sense.)

Holy Crap did this thread take off again.

alls i knows is that you still see 10-year olds in Led Zeppelin t-shirts. you won't see anyone in Beyonce shirts ten years from now.

Not for nothing, but I don't see a lot of Beyonce shirts now, but then -- Beyonce fans don't seem to be the t-shirt type. Moreover, t-shirt sales and popularity (or album sales or merit or even awareness) aren't really parallel. Witness the vast number of Motorhead, Ramones, Iron Maiden and CBGB shirts worn by people who've never actually heard those bands or been to that venue. People are posers.

Alex, you're smarter than this.

Who knows or CARES

Dan is the majority ever wrong in your world

who knows or CARES what "people" will listen to in 20 years? The job of a critic is to unearth things people overlook and say great stuff about it if it deserves the praise.

Alex, you're smarter than this.

Hahahaha... don't be so sure.

agreeed

the role of the critic is also to ignore loathsome icons in favor of exciting new things.

critics have jobs?

"Who knows or CARES what "people" will listen to in 20 years?"

OTM. If anything, it will be something everybody here despises, or just isn't aware of.

Vampire Weekend?

no..just callings

Dan is the majority ever wrong in your world

Dan "Slave To The Majority" Perry, that's me. That's why I like The Cure and My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult so much.

If you're going to say stupid shit and not actually think, there's not much point in talking to you.

OTM. If anything, it will be something everybody here despises, or just isn't aware of.

Hanna Montana and Hillary Duff and Paris Hilton and The Cheetah Girls.

(The non-mean version of my last post is "What is the point of paying attention to a fringe opinion on a massively popular, massively successful artist with proven longevity and universal appeal?" but I need to go home so I can't continue banging my head against this worse-than-Geir wall of willful illogic.)

zeppeling fucking rules

lock thread

What is the point of paying attention to a fringe opinion on a massively popular, massively successful artist with proven longevity and universal appeal?

yes what is the point of minority opinions, why don't they just shut up already

Shakey, all Dan is suggesting is that a band with Zep's sales figures (I mean, have you checked them?) and cultural exposure will never disappear.

finally you're talking some sense. xp

there is so much wrong on this thread

I don't think they really dated at all, they just have groupies lined up and ready to go.

people won't be wearing this thread's t-shirt in 20 years, i'll tell ya that for free

will anyone remember laughter?

Anyway, Zepplin good, Jackson causes tears.

Sorry, I hate 'em both.

Shakey, all Dan is suggesting is that a band with Zep's sales figures (I mean, have you checked them?) and cultural exposure will never disappear.

oddly I don't think this was Dan's point at all cuz if it was I'd agree with it. I was more arguing the merits of MJ and his dubious claims to being a monarch, Thriller being "the greatest album of all time" etc.

Zeppelin's dated a whole lot better than fuckin' Thriller, and anyone who begs to differ has got a large, brown, runny turd for a brain.

Ew.

Off The Wall is the only MJ that's aging well.

Thriller and Physical Graffiti (to pick one album) sound nothing like each other and have different aims.

"get people [in the UK] who are pretty into music by any country's standards who literally haven't heard of Rush or CCR."

Depressing.

-- Bill Magill, Thursday, 28 February 2008 22:36 (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same?

otoh no one in the US knows who Cliff Richard is

Not depressing.

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/les%20goupes/Y/Youth%20Of%20Today/pics/1.jpg

no one in the US knows who Cliff Richard is

It's so funny how we don't rock anymore.

*without reading any of this thread -

I guess it sounds "dated" inasmuch as it's readily apparent that it didn't come out last week, but I don't think it has aged poorly at all. By contrast, I heard Bon Jovi's "Bad Medicine" on the radio today for the first time in probably a decade and a half and it sounded kinda jarring (bad drums, poorly mixed vocals). Then again, maybe I'm not quite ready for the inevitable bon jovi reappraisal.

of course, pitting zep against bongiovi risks making this a Classic Rock vs. Hair Metal thing, or in a broader sense the emergence of digital vs. tried-n-true analog (r*ckism ahoy). This isn't my intention at all. It's not that the tools are inherently bad, just the way they are employed in this instance.

also, Zep rules.

I think the question should really be, who is over 30 and has the balls to wear a Led Zeppelin t-shirt in public?

people that rock

don't let shakey get you guys upset, he is the same dude who posted this:

I guess the Byrds are more "important", but the Beau Brummels have more songs that I actually like and listen to (Deep Water, Turn Around), so they win.
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 21:36 (3 years ago) Link

so just let it go, we can't all be friends, some differences are irreconcilable, etc.