Def Leppard 'Hysteria': C/D?

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I will admit that without Lange's guiding hand they haven't known what to do with themselves since.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I take "D&D Bullshit" to mean the sort of lyrical/visual aesthetic as preferred by Iron Maiden and Dio. For the most part, Def Leppard never really embaraced they mythological medieval dragonslaying occult vibe.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! I knew Lady Ms. Lurex would be here, and her reasons are the best of all!

One thing that struck me about "Gods of War" is how it's like the weird mirror image of every Iron Maiden song about something newsworthy/relevant -- their own "Two Minutes to Midnight," say -- but in its own world. (Is this reason 32431534?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

3340: i think the chorus of armageddon is an explosion of rainbows and stars and all things lurex.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, it's a viscous mushroom-cloud of needlessly syruppy glop that could send a diabetic into a sugar coma.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

YAY!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(I mean, there really is nothing at all wrong with that description, aside from 'needlessly' and 'glop.')

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Mutt Lange, yesterday:

http://www.genewilder.org/photos/ww/ww_wouldulike2c.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

BEST COMPLIMENT EVER!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

46) The layers of guitars at work in the chorus of "Animal," specifically how after each gang-shout part of the chorus there's this subtle but essential little extra chime.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 May 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

DON'T LET THIS THREAD DIE OMGWTF!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Gotcha.

HYSTERIA SUCKS A BIG BAG OF GREASY DICKS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Then add more reasons to love, Eisbar ya punk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't believe when forced to choose between this and grunge, "we" chose grunge.

i weep for my generation.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Another reason why Iron Maiden are incalculably cooler than Def Lepard.....

COFFEE MUGS!

http://www.eddiesmegastore.com/images/stock/killersmug_large.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hysteria and Nevermind were four years apart, that's enough time for a generation or two. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yer like 10 years younger than gen-x, strongo? what you mean "we"?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

besides, the world's big enough for both hysteria and nevermind. i didn't melt down the former immediately after being the latter, you know.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Being vs buying.

"I AM Nirvana, man!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

haha nevermind != grunge

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

unless you care to make a case for candlebox

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

considering my undergrad antics, that slip was a little more freudian than i would've liked.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

besides, i think that stone temple pilots = the def leppard of the nineties.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha nevermind != grunge

Well, supposedly it getting to number one meant more than Adrenalize debuting there. (Number two that week -- Wish by the Cure!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

1990/1991 were weird years.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo = closet NELSON fan?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck winger ... i was happier that nirvana et. al. got rid of NELSON.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f595/f59513p0fnk.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, strongo, by '91, I think it was more of a choice between "Let's Get Rocked"/"Make Love Like a Man" and grunge.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

90/91 was also the heyday of ice cube/public enemy/jungle brothers/geto boys/de la soul/tribe called quest.

i was almost trife-an those days.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm actually getting a little tired of hating on the whole '90s rock gestalt. Most of the hair-farmers were already turning into wanna-be cowboys (their audience REALLY turned into cowboys thanks to Garth Brooks), REM's Out Of Time was the first rock album to hit number one in over a year when it did and Candlebox would have been just as big in 88 as 92 (it's called a power ballad, it was nothing new). It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. Billy Corgan, Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, etc. fit the times pretty well. It's important to remember that the good-times patrol were REALLY not putting up a fight at the time, releasing nothing but ballads and lukewarm shit like Adrenalize. It's definitely annoying that the liberal, "considerate" bands couldn't work up the infectious enthusiasm of '80s groups (Beasties being an arguable exception), this shouldn't be surprising. Look at liberal candidates vs. conservative ones. Considering all the elements vs. going with what comes naturally. Grime vs. crunk!

Besides Meat Loaf was huge 1993.

Ok, that was all over the place.

47) The swooping sounds right before the guitar solo on "Hysteria."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But overtly liberal socially conscious messages in rock were surely more 80s than 90s? Even Ozzy Osbourne, Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and White Lion were writing overtly political 'protest' songs, to say nothing of Bono/Sting/Springsteen/Morrissey/Gabriel/Geddy/Garrett. All the 90s stars you mention, except maybe Vedder, were way more solipstic and amoral. If anything, they probably led to U2 and REM becoming less political.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

In the '90s the paradox was groups whose liberal nature was assumed found themselves shoved in the limelight (again, in part because the hair-farmers weren't earning the attention anymore - plus the Nirvana bandwagon effect), and most responded with the ironic amorality you're talking about. These groups were still SEEN as liberal though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus a lot of the stars you're talking (Sting/Gabriel/Geddy) were targeted for older audiences.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

And Morrissey's biggest US hits were in '92 (Your Arsenal being his album chart peak) and '94 ("The More You Ignore Me" his biggest pop single).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking of Morrissey as frontman for the Smiths, not of his solo career at all. (Dunno his solo career too well but his politics did seem to get a bit more ambiguous then, didn't they?)

Don't you think there might have been something problematic about the 'gleefully sexual' nature of a lot of hair metal though? Maybe you do and are being ironic.

I'm not 100% sure that all that nihilistic 90s stuff was necessarily seen as liberal per se. In one way, it could be read as a liberal dissatisfaction with the order of things. But that kind of cynicism could also be read as having a sense of the futility of trying to change. Misanthropy, which was a major theme, seems to be ultimately anti-liberal.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and sadly, misanthropy is the one element that survived when grunge transformed into nu-metal (which Chuck Klosterman accurately described as being the worst of both worlds in Fargo Rock City). I definitely think the rock of the early '90s had its social foundations in the Clintonian spirit (this increasing ambiguity fits with that too. These bands all became moderates once they got into office - or arguably always were moderates!), which is why I'm kind of tired of hating on it. It's not like we had all this great '80s rock and decided it sucked and ran off and bought Ten.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

and I definitely think there was a problem with the "gleeful sexual" element. I just don't think asexual discomfort was the answer in hindsight (though I thought it worked fine in middle school!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember talking about the success of Cracker with an ex-girlfriend and she noted that in 1992 there weren't a lot of songs with sexual energy on rock radio. That's right, DAVID LOWERY was the sex god of 1992.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait. "Low" was in 1993, I think.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

... It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. .... Grime vs. crunk!

...and none of this had anything to do with the economy

is Strongo really Gen-Y (which begins ~78)? If so, I think we can grandfather (haha) him in.

oh, and Nelson fucking rock. ok, they don't rock. but you know what I mean.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 May 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

When you read over this thread in full, it actually was easily one of the best threads on here this year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

there was some comment about def leppard making music about making music ("rocking") on some other thread--where was that? it was more insightful than my precis would suggest.

also isn't chuck's preference for DL over REM kind of ideologically overdetermined? i'm still waiting for chuck to surprise me...

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

also yeah this record rules

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

1 Nena & Kim Wilde Anyplace Anywhere Anytime Warner Bros. import
2 A*Teens A Perfect Match Universal
3 Lindsay Lohan Ultimate Hollywood
4 Skye Sweetnam Billy S Capitol
5 Triple Image Turn It Up (japanese import) Wire
6 Hilary Duff Why Not Hollywood
7 Nikki Cleary Summertime Guys Jive
8 Hilary Duff What Dreams Are Made Of Disney
9 Lillix What I Like About You Hollywood
10 Hilary Duff So Yesterday Buena Vista/Hollywood

haha *barf*

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

In approximate order:
1. Cinderella, Long Cold Winter
2. Faster Pussycat, Where There's a Whip There's a Way
2. Warrant, Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich
3. Warrant, Cherry Pie
4. first Faster Pussycat album
5. Pyromania
6. Cinderella, Still Climbing
7. first Skid Row
8. Hysteria
9. Warrant, Dog Eat Dog
10. first Def Leppard
11. Warrant, Ultraphobic
12. second Def Leppard
13. Cinderella, Heartbreak Station
14. first Cinderella album
15. Slave to the Grind

(and that leaves out Bang Tango, Kix, etc, etc...)

Wait, was Chuck saying those seven albums (incl 2 Warrant albums, a latter-day Cinderella record, and Skid Row) are all better than Hysteria?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

omg it's an iconoclorgasm!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no it doesn't, goddammit. It's a sickly travesty. A syrup-smeared mockery of rock. An anorexic sheep in wolf's clothing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

if the devil ever needed a publicist

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ann Coulter needs a publicist?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

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