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I think it also goes back to what seandalai said upthread, that we care about Pitchfork in a way that we don't necessarily about Rolling Stone or NME, "it's part of the information universe with which we associate ourselves. When they screw up we complain because they could conceivably have done better."

so you feel that pitchfork represents your taste - or should represent your tastes?

yes to some extent, for me, at least more than other review sites except maybe the wire

no. maybe i'm misstating (by habitual rhetorical overkill) the idea that any of this is really annoying to me. it isn't. not at all. i think the pitchfork list is cool for what it is, and don't really care about it anyway. i guess what i'm operating from is a sense that "my music" - the fucked-up, bloody-knuckled strain of indie rock that i've always been most in love with - has become increasingly marginal and even moribund. this makes me feel old and grumpy.

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Another glaring omission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gUFO9vRH_A

marginal to what, what pitchfork covers? i mean, it isn't like pitchfork is the cable company that has a local/regional monopoly. you can find music criticism in other places.

lol at galling lack of cannibal corpse

I don't think any of us knows ALL the writers at Pitchfork, but most of us know a few (and it's a different few for everyone), so there's definitely an interest that goes beyond just that of the normal reader. When they, as a collective, fuck up a list in a very little or a very big way, it's kind of like we're slinking around at the back of the bar, laughing with the rest of your friends about how your one other mutual friend is totally blowing it onstage doing a karaoke version of "Total Eclipse of the Heart."

or is this just one of those threads where people complain about the results of some poll, the way grumpy old people complain how expensive everything is nowadays - because it is a way of bonding with others?

I think what it comes down to, for myself at least, is that Pitchfork is understood to be a tastemaker and canon builder, and that lists like this represent the construction of the 90s canon (for example). People are annoyed or pissed that Pitchfork--for, pick you favorite indie-baiting reason--edited their favorites out of the canon.

the 90s canon for a particular affinity group, it isn't creating _the_ canon

i think it comes down to this

if you care about music crit you care about pitchfork & their lists & what they review & how they review it & what score it gets

if you don't care about music crit you likely don't care about any of those things

Well of course, but this is ILM--isn't is understood that the "particular affinity group" of Pitchfork is going to have a vast overlap with the "particular affinity group" of ILM?

I just think it's fun.. isn't that enough?

i'm pretty sure i'm otm and we can move on

fuckin guy

i care somewhat about music crit, but i don't really care about most of the music pitchfork covers - and most of that is bands/records from my youth, and i don't really care about whether this or that major/large indie label record or song by a band of people i don't know personally makes some website's top 200 of a previous decade.

re, sarah: oh yeah, i know. again, i'm not really saying that pitchfork would better if it were different, or raging about the fact that the shit i'm interested in doesn't get adequate coverage. though they're so occasional as to seem dead, termbo do a decent job at hitting like 25% of it, and mosurak/still single bats clean-up for like half of the rest. if i were truly madly deeply serious about the remainder, i'd be reading the wire, decibel and other forums more regularly. but i'm not, and maybe i'm just trying to steer discussion here towards a corner of the indie universe that doesn't get much attention, even on ilm. like how many people post in rolling punk or les rallizes denudes threads?

this is my revenge.

So I guess the question becomes this: we're all enjoying ourselves to varying degrees for various reasons--why are YOU on this thread afaik xp

sarahel is playing the morbs role iirc -- but with more sanity of course

contenderizer: dusted is pretty solid

z_b: curiosity? maybe unhealthy? idk

i think you, sarah, are distinctly and perhaps (close to) uniquely outside the venn diagram, relative to most of the regular p4k thread coffee klatch/bitch fest. i mean, you are just not sufficiently indie.

no offense...

imidswtpitbh

lol - i am insufficiently indie it is true! thank you all for sincerely answering my sincere questions. i feel like i have learned something v important about ilx tonight.

contenderizer: dusted is pretty solid

yah, for real! dusted is where i get most of my irl music pointers. or those that don't come from ilm, anyway...

if this stuff is really annoying to you (any of you), and barely covers the music you are genuinely interested in, then why bother paying attention to pitchfork?

― sarahel, Friday, September 3, 2010 2:32 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think sometimes people pay a lot of attention to stuff that annoys them! not even by choice. like the nyt style section annoys me to no end but i read it every week. twice.

i feel like i have learned something v important about ilx tonight.

what, that it is crazy indie fuxxors? cuz...

sarahel, if you don't mind me asking, what is your "affinity group"?

wish list included big l, big pun, and ween

noize iirc xp

yeh, it is the undiscovered country

who is spock in this scenario

@contenderizer

jesus lizard and boredoms were both on the list iirc

― Dan S, Friday, September 3, 2010 5:58 AM

I believe shellac and polvo were there also

were they? i miss so much...

again, was primarily concerning myself with teh all important/coveted top 100 slots

wow. im really really surprised by these results

also, fuck weezer forever

god i hate that band

if this stuff is really annoying to you (any of you), and barely covers the music you are genuinely interested in, then why bother paying attention to pitchfork?

i took this to heart last time people said it to me, when i bitched about pfork on the EOY lists, and i'm proud that i basically managed to completely ignore this list while it was happening. sarahel is right here, really. it's important to remember that this is NOT any sort of definitive or central canon, unless you associate yourself with a particular niche group of music fans. which i, obviously, do not.

but god wants me to love gold sounds

this is a weird-azz top 20 str8 up

it is a house divided against itself

i dont think its that weird, its pretty good, i like loser, and weezer, and all the bands lex hates, and i like a lot of the musicians he loves too, seems to me that if you made a cd with all these songs i would play it all the way through, probably even the pavement song

what about mazzy star

fuck yeah

i like pretty much every song i've heard out of these 20, exceptions being NMH & radiohead

the mazzy star trk is probably the only choice in the top 20 that didn't have me wondering why they chose that track from the particular artist

i have made out to that song too many times not to have feelings about it

i thought the choices in the top 20 were less bizarre than the rest of the list