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All of the artists in the top 40 on that list except Talk Talk, I think, are included here

i love the fact that Pulp came in second, totally deserving and really surprising to me. Pulp just seem more of a British/NME thing, so for Pitchfork to give it that good of placement is sort of cool.

Pavement, Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine, Neutral Milk Hotel and Beck are Top 10 indie = makes sense but Nirvana got robbed.

we got "Gold Soundz" @ #1

huh

A hiphop #1 would've been way cooler.

i couldn't sing appx 9 of these 20 songs if you held a gun to my head

Like seriously.. "Protect Ya Neck" would've been a perfect #1.

ugh, Neutral Milk Hotel in the top 10 + Pavement at #1 sort of spoils all the fun of the list for me. Shoulda known.

"Holland 1945" is really good though..

i couldn't sing appx 9 of these 20 songs if you held a gun to my head

Oh.. well I know all 20.

pitsfork ha.

uh, seems both solid and honestly representative of their brand as it currently stands. personally bummed to see sonic youth top out at #60 with 100%. it's a good song, but hardly the best thing they did in the 90s (see: kool thing, mote, bull in the heather, the diamond sea and hits of sunshine, just to start with). cruelly understates the shadow they cast over that decade, imo. that oasis and neutral milk hotel are given SO much more credit kinda lays me low.

the diminution of sonic youth is paralleled by the fact that there's zero representation for the rock/punk/metal/psych garbage that's most near & dear to me. i wouldn't have expected to see much of it, but the most obvious omissions include things like the jesus lizard, shellac, boredoms, brainiac, RFTC, skullflower and polvo. no matter how you slice it, a pretty thorough repudiation of the strains of indie rock that i actually give a shit about. but i never turned to pitchfork for that kind of support in the first place, so no surprise. maybe these bands & artists, like the experimental stuff whiney was talking about, belong more to albums than tracks? dunno...

man with the exception of stupid ol pavement i fuck with every song on that list

the top 20 i mean

jesus lizard and boredoms were both on the list iirc

There was a typo.. #1 was actually Sleep "Dopesmoker"

jesus lizard and boredoms were both on the list iirc

yeah, sorry about the tired/boozy lack of clarity. in my head, i was talking about the top 100, though i didn't actually say that anywhere.

it's a good song, but hardly the best thing they did in the 90s (see: kool thing, mote, bull in the heather, the diamond sea and hits of sunshine, just to start with).

There's too much of that going on with this list ... picking the "underappreciated" song instead of the more obvious hit. "Say it Ain't So?" "Only Shallow?"

Only Shallow kickstarted that album in the most shocking possible way. Great choice I think...

I'm not gonna go through this, is there literally one metal song? And it's Danzig?

The most glaring omission was "Let The Rhythm Hit Em."

ban all pitchfork writes from this board for allowing biggie to place outside of the top 10

Yeah no metal wtf.. Where's "Holy Wars???"

at least aaliyah made it into the top 10

I'm way more tired of "Say It Ain't So" and "Loser" than "Gold Soundz". Those two songs are still being overplayed on the radio.

like seriously not even being a pedantic "wot u don't listen to carcass" troll about it, but like

what's up dudes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g&ob=av2e

not much yall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjyB8EMw4w

can i play too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFqg5wAuFk

can i just
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rloidlFbi4w

i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI

but then also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU

it's not exactly like theres some shortage of metal that crossed over into the alternasphere in the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY3LAFJbKyY

(a song I don't even really like that much)

I'd have to check, but it's probably the worst song on the black album

That's cool, but Holy Wars is a better song than all of those..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4OPQBNXdfc

and..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPUe1nv4gIk&ob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfZMXR-a6fg

goodnight little dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglVqACd1C8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALPH86ybA6U

I like that melvins track. body count too

but yeah, even the most indiest, most p4k friendly strains of hard/heavy/noisy music got short shrift. (billstevejim otm - no melvins wtf?) like not only is indie streamlined into its least confrontational, most comforting strains, the slack is taken up by expansion into pop genres that are heavily covered and well-represented everywhere.

i am one of these people who will find something to pout about no matter what.

if this stuff is really annoying to you (any of you), and barely covers the music you are genuinely interested in, then why bother paying attention to pitchfork?

billstevejim otm - no melvins wtf?

That was Whiney.. I was bummed out by no Megadeth or Slayer or Eric B & Rakim.

i think you just broke the code

xp

it's a sincere question. it wasn't meant as a "won't you just stfu about pitchfork already" post

i don't know. in part because it (pitchfork) so dominates the discourse, and i'm interested not just in music, but in the conversation about music. by that i don't just mean talking about music w my friends, which i do all the time, but the way that cultural "tastemakers" process the idea of music. and ilm is big part of my connection to that ongoing critical dialogue about music. therefore, what ilm talks about, i pay attention to. therefore, pitchfork. and beyond that, i can't pretend that i'm not indie at heart. a big part of my sense of what music is and can mean was formed in the mid 80s by bands like the replacements, husker du, sonic youth, big black, butthole surfers, etc. gotta be true to my roots.

nicely done.

I think it also goes back to what seandalai said upthread, that we care about Pitchfork in a way that we don't necessarily about Rolling Stone or NME, "it's part of the information universe with which we associate ourselves. When they screw up we complain because they could conceivably have done better."

so you feel that pitchfork represents your taste - or should represent your tastes?

yes to some extent, for me, at least more than other review sites except maybe the wire

no. maybe i'm misstating (by habitual rhetorical overkill) the idea that any of this is really annoying to me. it isn't. not at all. i think the pitchfork list is cool for what it is, and don't really care about it anyway. i guess what i'm operating from is a sense that "my music" - the fucked-up, bloody-knuckled strain of indie rock that i've always been most in love with - has become increasingly marginal and even moribund. this makes me feel old and grumpy.

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Another glaring omission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gUFO9vRH_A

marginal to what, what pitchfork covers? i mean, it isn't like pitchfork is the cable company that has a local/regional monopoly. you can find music criticism in other places.

lol at galling lack of cannibal corpse

I don't think any of us knows ALL the writers at Pitchfork, but most of us know a few (and it's a different few for everyone), so there's definitely an interest that goes beyond just that of the normal reader. When they, as a collective, fuck up a list in a very little or a very big way, it's kind of like we're slinking around at the back of the bar, laughing with the rest of your friends about how your one other mutual friend is totally blowing it onstage doing a karaoke version of "Total Eclipse of the Heart."

or is this just one of those threads where people complain about the results of some poll, the way grumpy old people complain how expensive everything is nowadays - because it is a way of bonding with others?

I think what it comes down to, for myself at least, is that Pitchfork is understood to be a tastemaker and canon builder, and that lists like this represent the construction of the 90s canon (for example). People are annoyed or pissed that Pitchfork--for, pick you favorite indie-baiting reason--edited their favorites out of the canon.