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i wasn't aware that they had other songs

hootie and the blowpoll : best hootie singlez

you should make that thread max

― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:12 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

helloooooo, 'let her cry'

max otm

Blues Traveler stomps all over Hootie

^ racist

which one has the black guy

they went with *we are the pigs* as the best Suede song of the *decade*!?

20-1 is in. some unexpected choices!

No Talk Talk, but Aaliyah, Pulp and Mazzy Star.

7. Neutral Milk Hotel
that band makes me shit vomit

I like that album, but I wouldn't have picked Holland 1945. Glad they went with MBV's Only Shallow

so did U2, Coldplay and The Goo Goo Dolls really not get any shutouts on the entire list? interesting

U2 had a shout out in the see also for "Stay (So Far So Close)" on the Brian Eno/John Cale song.

Good:

Mazzy Star -- not sure they belong at #19 but glad they are represented someplace.
OutKast at #16
DEPECHE MODE YESSSSS
Aaliyah at #8 -- nice placing, huh?

Bad:

Notorious BIG -- dude is top ten material, maybe if he switched places with Pavement it would all make sense?
Pavement at #1 -- Gold Soundzzzzzzzzz......zzzz................ *snooze*
Pulp at #2 -- I like these guys but I mean, really? This high?? LOL ANGLOPHILIA

Ugly:

Nirvana at #13 vs. Weezer at #10 -- LOL REVISIONIST INDIE HISTORY
Neutral Milk Hotel -- no mention of their far-superior (and much forgotten) first album.

Talk Talk -- missing?
Madonna? (surely she placed and I'm forgetting, right?)
TLC?
What else is left out??

that's a really good Top 20.

U2 deserves its own entry in the top 200, btw. Zooropa, Pop, Achtung Baby, all great albums.

TLC placed higher up with Creep.
No Madonna?

wait there is U2 but no Sublime or Red Hot Chili Peppers

I'm happy that the list gave shout-outs to Sloan, The Sea and Cake and Nada Surf

lol gold soundz. it's not even in the top 20 pavement songs let alone the best track of the decade.

TLC's Creep was there at 114.

I remember seeing Ray of Light somewhere in the See Also section.

No Talk Talk though. but maybe they felt they were were more of an album band or that most of their innovation had was in the 80s with Spirit of Eden.

#1 will be, like, "Summer Babe"

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#2 will be "Paranoid Android"

― markers, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:16 AM (2 days ago)

alright, so we got "Gold Soundz" @ #1 & "PA" @ #4

I'm proud to be the first one to mention Talk Talk on this thread for some odd reason

It was 11 I think on their albums list, but yeah I can see not picking out one track from it...

I'm also surprised at Juicy for Biggie and Outkast's Spottieottiedopalicious as choices

(I don't consciously remember any of their albums list)

All of the artists in the top 40 on that list except Talk Talk, I think, are included here

i love the fact that Pulp came in second, totally deserving and really surprising to me. Pulp just seem more of a British/NME thing, so for Pitchfork to give it that good of placement is sort of cool.

Pavement, Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine, Neutral Milk Hotel and Beck are Top 10 indie = makes sense but Nirvana got robbed.

we got "Gold Soundz" @ #1

huh

A hiphop #1 would've been way cooler.

i couldn't sing appx 9 of these 20 songs if you held a gun to my head

Like seriously.. "Protect Ya Neck" would've been a perfect #1.

ugh, Neutral Milk Hotel in the top 10 + Pavement at #1 sort of spoils all the fun of the list for me. Shoulda known.

"Holland 1945" is really good though..

i couldn't sing appx 9 of these 20 songs if you held a gun to my head

Oh.. well I know all 20.

pitsfork ha.

uh, seems both solid and honestly representative of their brand as it currently stands. personally bummed to see sonic youth top out at #60 with 100%. it's a good song, but hardly the best thing they did in the 90s (see: kool thing, mote, bull in the heather, the diamond sea and hits of sunshine, just to start with). cruelly understates the shadow they cast over that decade, imo. that oasis and neutral milk hotel are given SO much more credit kinda lays me low.

the diminution of sonic youth is paralleled by the fact that there's zero representation for the rock/punk/metal/psych garbage that's most near & dear to me. i wouldn't have expected to see much of it, but the most obvious omissions include things like the jesus lizard, shellac, boredoms, brainiac, RFTC, skullflower and polvo. no matter how you slice it, a pretty thorough repudiation of the strains of indie rock that i actually give a shit about. but i never turned to pitchfork for that kind of support in the first place, so no surprise. maybe these bands & artists, like the experimental stuff whiney was talking about, belong more to albums than tracks? dunno...

man with the exception of stupid ol pavement i fuck with every song on that list

the top 20 i mean

jesus lizard and boredoms were both on the list iirc

There was a typo.. #1 was actually Sleep "Dopesmoker"

jesus lizard and boredoms were both on the list iirc

yeah, sorry about the tired/boozy lack of clarity. in my head, i was talking about the top 100, though i didn't actually say that anywhere.

it's a good song, but hardly the best thing they did in the 90s (see: kool thing, mote, bull in the heather, the diamond sea and hits of sunshine, just to start with).

There's too much of that going on with this list ... picking the "underappreciated" song instead of the more obvious hit. "Say it Ain't So?" "Only Shallow?"

Only Shallow kickstarted that album in the most shocking possible way. Great choice I think...

I'm not gonna go through this, is there literally one metal song? And it's Danzig?

The most glaring omission was "Let The Rhythm Hit Em."

ban all pitchfork writes from this board for allowing biggie to place outside of the top 10

Yeah no metal wtf.. Where's "Holy Wars???"

at least aaliyah made it into the top 10

I'm way more tired of "Say It Ain't So" and "Loser" than "Gold Soundz". Those two songs are still being overplayed on the radio.

like seriously not even being a pedantic "wot u don't listen to carcass" troll about it, but like

what's up dudes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g&ob=av2e

not much yall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjyB8EMw4w

can i play too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkFqg5wAuFk

can i just
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rloidlFbi4w

i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI

but then also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU

it's not exactly like theres some shortage of metal that crossed over into the alternasphere in the 90s