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Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

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Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

― a hoy hoy, Thursday, September 2, 2010 3:41 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

already charted

Did it? Oh my bad for missing it.

i mean who does this and then actually gets self righteous about it when called out on it. ps: caring about 'music criticism' past the point where you're being carded for tobacco = yes, actually pathetic, not honorable. pretending to care about 'music criticism' when really you're just pretending loudly you didn't fuck up severely years ago and years later still haven't figured out a next step = adult diapers level pathetic. grow up. get a job.

balls.

yawns.

adult diapers level pathetic

this calm cool detachment routine is extra fun since whiney's hipinion reveal

jesus christ what type of psycho loser posts on MULTIPLE BOARDS about a PITCHFORK LIST?????

not surprised growing up and getting a job doesn't interest ott but 'which built to spill song did they pick and where did it place?' leaves him riveted. pathetic.

ott = buster bluth
ryan pfork = lucille

ott has a job and makes twice as much as some pitchfork writer's yearly income iirc

[deej, help me out w/ this post?]

to be fair, i'm pretty sure ott is grown up and has a job. i'm not sure this obviates your complaints, though.

Whiney, btw I haven't received set 24/24 yet. I sent an email asking for an expected delivery date, no response. Can you check in?

i think what i was trying to say before is that these multi-genre lists start to look silly if you're coming at each genre from a different perspective. like, if your rock canon has built to spill and guided by voices at the top, then ok fine. but then why does your rap canon have biggie and wu-tang instead of like...company flow or black moon or something?

xpost, I know for a fact that 24/24 wasn't goin to u, dude!

markers got 1/24 i believe

And why do you need to collide these in an overarching single list, that's - nobody's fault - but that's the problem with the 1990s. The genre activity was so stratified and flourishing at different times, it just doesn't lend itself well to any fell-swoop summation.

Well the money was drawn out of my account, so something better be coming to me.

whats a 24/24?

anyhow gotta run a lowry's. pox on both yr houses if freak nasty doesn't make top ten.

Dunno if segregation is really the way forward though. HEY BLACK PEOPLE WAIT YR TURN, WE R CURRENTLY LISTENING TO WHITE PPL (and tv on the radio, depending on timeframe.)

be better if they just didn't include so many dull guitar records

kept hearing method man's "get emmmm" after each balls post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKJC8GAxT5I

weren't dull guitar records one of the defining trends of 90s music though?

Little Fluffy Clouds should have been top ten.

or top twenty at least!

I checked and lucky for them "Da Butt" was '89. Totally would have called them out on that shit.

Before "Girls & Boys", Blur were seen as just another Britpop band, maybe a couple notches above Dodgy.

yeah, no.

― i am legernd (history mayne), Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:49 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Looks like they changed this part (assuming that was a C&P from the Pfork blurb) to this now:

Before "Girls & Boys", Blur were a successful UK indie band

haha

o snap

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Awesome it's even better that way.

currently considering the possibility that banaka is ott

something tells me "They Want EFX" is not gonna make this list

theres a lot of stuff that didnt make it that id put ahead of das efx's 3rd best song

There really isn't any reason to deny the awesomeness of scenario for real

This. Especially if it's going to place above Geto Boys.

Also, is "Spottieottiedopaliscious" going to make the top 20? Because that would be solid.

Looking like the top 20's gonna be about 40% rap, r&b, dance; about 60% indie touchstones. That's not a bad ratio for p4k.

this just feels like two groups of people in mutual incomprehension, basically indietards + rap/dance heads

― i am legernd (history mayne), Thursday, September 2, 2010 7:00 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

terribly unfair, but still pretty accurate. i'd say it's more like 3 streams: basic p4k indie, rap/pop/r&b and dance music (as defined by UK tastes in). and it's kind of weird to me that they've worked so hard two incorporate these two worlds, but haven't broadened their tastes in other directions. list contains hardly any experimental/noise stuff, "world music", garage or punk rock, metal, contemporary composers, jazz or other improvisation, etc.

not that those absences are a flaw of any sort - they aren't - but it's interesting to me that p4k has decided to expand their brand in these two specific directions (basically rap & dance) and not in others. just a year or two back, for instance, they seemed to be making a serious attempt to incorporate metal, but lately that seems to have been relegated to outlier status. maybe the readership didn't bite?

for instance, they seemed to be making a serious attempt to incorporate metal, but lately that seems to have been relegated to outlier status. maybe the readership didn't bite?

stosuy jumped ship to stereogum iirc

i mean, and i'm the biggest whiner when it comes to including genres, but it always looks a little cloying when experimental stuff shows up in track countdowns. Because it sort of says, "Yeah, 'Make Em Say Uhhh' was a classic single and all, BUT HAVE YOU HEARD OVAL?

is guided by voices' 1995 track 'game of pricks' really the 36th best song of the 1990s?

like a whole s.tonne of picks, it's a completely unremarkable indie record

― i am legernd (history mayne), Thursday, September 2, 2010 7:16 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

game of pricks is only a "completely unremarkable indie record" if you're not deeply invested in the progress of indie guitar pop over the last couple decades. and if you're not, why the fuck would you bother with pitchfork rankings on any level? indie guitar pop is what they do - it's the absolute core of their aesthetic, their ethos to the extent they have one. and if you are invested in the history of that particular musical niche, then game of pricks is anything but unremarkable. it's crucial (though, yeah, you could and probably would quibble about which GBV track, alien lanes vs bee thousand, etc).

i.e., this kind of complaint seems so totally ass-backwards, given that it's a fucking pitchfork list.

t always looks a little cloying when experimental stuff shows up in track countdowns. Because it sort of says, "Yeah, 'Make Em Say Uhhh' was a classic single and all, BUT HAVE YOU HEARD OVAL?

― miccio kurihara (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, September 2, 2010 2:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is only true if the list in question treats the experimental tracks as token curiosities. if a legit interest in experimental music is part of your basic POV, then it doesn't seem weird at all.

game of pricks is only a "completely unremarkable indie record" if you're not deeply invested in the progress of indie guitar pop over the last couple decades.

well, i haven't been invested in it for a while. but i was, big time, back in the 90s. i can still grok what i liked about indie. but that song is nothing.

fyi, i'm a huge experimental music nerdball, and i would feel straight fuckin ridiculous trying to put Keijo Haino and Masonna and Borbetomagus up against like my 200 favorite banging pop/rap/dance/alternarock/MTV singles of the 90s.

Though I'd feel even more ridiculous putting milquetoast weiner music like "Bonnie Prince Billy" and Guided By Voices up against them

yeah, okay. sounded like you were airily dismissing indie rock in general, which makes no sense as a criticism of this or that track on a pitchfork list. but if it's it's more that you personally don't dig "game of pricks" or GBV in general, that's cool, matters of taste, etc.

i do think there's a sort of weird duality here of pfork simultaneously trying to redefine itself, evidenced by all the landmark rap,dance,pop tracks in the list, while still clinging to its indie-is-the-best roots as evidenced by the high placing of "game of pricks", "car", "race for the prize", etc, none of which were as big or important or popular as a lot of the lower tracks in the list

...like, if your rock canon has built to spill and guided by voices at the top, then ok fine. but then why does your rap canon have biggie and wu-tang instead of like...company flow or black moon or something? [2nd paragraph lifted from a subsequent ciderpress post]

― ciderpress, Thursday, September 2, 2010 7:35 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

don't think that one's interest in indie rock necessarily demands an across the board indie-is-the-best stance. though it's in flux, somewhat novel, and thus somewhat schizophrenic, p4k's current emphasis on mainstream rap and cult dance stuff seems pretty natural. remember their supporting acts like cannibal ox and aesop rock way back when though... did any of those tracks place?

omg dude you were just making fun of jay-z for writing 'slash/fic'

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omg

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jaymc

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i knew there was a reason i clicked on this thread

borbetomagus was the most insane live thing i ever saw, just hellish and amazing

i would feel straight fuckin ridiculous trying to put Keijo Haino and Masonna and Borbetomagus up against like my 200 favorite banging pop/rap/dance/alternarock/MTV singles of the 90s.

i don't get this, whiney. why would that feel so ridiculous? i mean, i put shit & shine's "toilet door tits" as my single favorite track on some recent best-of-the-decade poll, along with all kinds of pop/rap/etc stuff. and other noise/weirdo stuff, too. is it my honest-to-god favorite song of the decade? fuck, i dunno. but i love it to death, love it every bit as much as "hey ya" or "my hood" or whatever. just in a different way. why should i let the fact that some of the things i love are unpopular marginalize them even further when i'm expressing my own individual taste?