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GBV at #36 -- I thought these guys were going top ten!!

for a different song or

Yup. See above re: "Car". Also really tired of "T.R.O.Y." as the go-to "I have a friend who's black!" hip-hop "awareness" herald.

And mayne I said about the same [on hipinion], it's a disconnected series of impulses. Received wisdom V personal tastes V editorial bent V ret-conning the past such that it fits with/informs the present...

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, September 2, 2010 10:05 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how come we're getting these diplomatic ott posts and hipinion gets awesome hardman stuff like

The thing that kills me is Tim, like Ewing and the other ILMers, hate Pitchfork. They hate Ryan. But their desire to be read, to communicate, and try to drive dialog, is stronger, so they're functionally hostages of Pitchfork's success. There's a whole class there that pissed on Pitchfork from 2000-2006 but then waddled through the door with their USB cables between their legs, rationalizing it by pretending ScottPL's presence makes it OK. Nate Patrin in particular shocked me, that he sunk to that; I called him out for it on ILM, he was just rabidly anti-P4K for years. Breihan surprised me as well. I mean...I understand the sensation that's driven them to make this and other compromises, but I don't understand how, after going through the process for long enough to realize there is no material gain on the other side of it, you don't make the decision to write for satisfaction, and separate it from making a living. Because you can't make a living that way, and the compromises you have to make in trying devalue the whole process. How can you delude yourself for this long?

Because you haven't earned my trust.

this list is reminding me to buy Pharcyde

xpost we knew you first u_u

lol

how can we possibly hate pitchfork in the same way as we did circa '99 to '04 when a good 75 percent of the writers' roster has turned over?

Because of the 25% that hasn't, obviously. And let's not pretend the recent crop is exactly storming the gates of literary or critical canonization.

Yup. See above re: "Car". Also really tired of "T.R.O.Y." as the go-to "I have a friend who's black!" hip-hop "awareness" herald.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 2 September 2010 14:18 (1 minute ago) Permalink

this song rules d00d.

GBV at #36 -- I thought these guys were going top ten!!

for a different song or

I was anticipating "I Am a Scientist" in the top 10-20. Not that I'd rank it there myself, I agree that individual GBV songs can be unremarkable on their own, but I thought Pfork would disagree.

oh i dunno, ott. most of the writers i most hated from old-school pitchfork have long since given up their stake in it (if not their obsession with it).

Because of the 25% that hasn't, obviously. And let's not pretend the recent crop is exactly storming the gates of literary or critical canonization.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:26 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

list is 'weird' i guess -- lol lists amirite -- but its also one id much rather listen to than a comparable list from 03 so

yes strongo, it's wrong and embarrassing to have feelings about music criticism.

it really is, but what else can a poor boy do.

ok quick question just out of curiosity, was there any tori amos in the list?

i do think there's a sort of weird duality here of pfork simultaneously trying to redefine itself, evidenced by all the landmark rap,dance,pop tracks in the list, while still clinging to its indie-is-the-best roots as evidenced by the high placing of "game of pricks", "car", "race for the prize", etc, none of which were as big or important or popular as a lot of the lower tracks in the list

there was a tori amos track in a 'see also' iirc

ok cool, just wondering. a small smh and i'll go back to happily ignoring this bs

"God" was a border jam.

"border jam"? what like...nearly a jam but not quite?

it's an excellent song, tho far from her best

Would it be too much to ask for Camp Lo to sneak into the top 20?

Yes, it bordered on being a jam. It was a preserve.

marmalade

god this is like if adrian dantley was giving interviews moaning about the pistons twenty years later. get a job already loser. grow up.

Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

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Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

― a hoy hoy, Thursday, September 2, 2010 3:41 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

already charted

Did it? Oh my bad for missing it.

i mean who does this and then actually gets self righteous about it when called out on it. ps: caring about 'music criticism' past the point where you're being carded for tobacco = yes, actually pathetic, not honorable. pretending to care about 'music criticism' when really you're just pretending loudly you didn't fuck up severely years ago and years later still haven't figured out a next step = adult diapers level pathetic. grow up. get a job.

balls.

yawns.

adult diapers level pathetic

this calm cool detachment routine is extra fun since whiney's hipinion reveal

jesus christ what type of psycho loser posts on MULTIPLE BOARDS about a PITCHFORK LIST?????

not surprised growing up and getting a job doesn't interest ott but 'which built to spill song did they pick and where did it place?' leaves him riveted. pathetic.

ott = buster bluth
ryan pfork = lucille

ott has a job and makes twice as much as some pitchfork writer's yearly income iirc

[deej, help me out w/ this post?]

to be fair, i'm pretty sure ott is grown up and has a job. i'm not sure this obviates your complaints, though.

Whiney, btw I haven't received set 24/24 yet. I sent an email asking for an expected delivery date, no response. Can you check in?

i think what i was trying to say before is that these multi-genre lists start to look silly if you're coming at each genre from a different perspective. like, if your rock canon has built to spill and guided by voices at the top, then ok fine. but then why does your rap canon have biggie and wu-tang instead of like...company flow or black moon or something?

xpost, I know for a fact that 24/24 wasn't goin to u, dude!

markers got 1/24 i believe

And why do you need to collide these in an overarching single list, that's - nobody's fault - but that's the problem with the 1990s. The genre activity was so stratified and flourishing at different times, it just doesn't lend itself well to any fell-swoop summation.

Well the money was drawn out of my account, so something better be coming to me.

whats a 24/24?

anyhow gotta run a lowry's. pox on both yr houses if freak nasty doesn't make top ten.

Dunno if segregation is really the way forward though. HEY BLACK PEOPLE WAIT YR TURN, WE R CURRENTLY LISTENING TO WHITE PPL (and tv on the radio, depending on timeframe.)

be better if they just didn't include so many dull guitar records

kept hearing method man's "get emmmm" after each balls post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKJC8GAxT5I

weren't dull guitar records one of the defining trends of 90s music though?

Little Fluffy Clouds should have been top ten.