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could still be a track from Violator to come, right? that was 1990?

also slowdive - alison

i don't get this list at all tbh

it's fine to be eclectic (i guess) but this just feels like two groups of people in mutual incomprehension, basically indietards + rap/dance heads

"Enjoy the Silence" in the top 20 would be mind-boggling to me (and Depeche Mode is one of my favorite bands)

"Enjoy the Silence" has to be in there, song was extramassive.

In re: Blur/US, nobody in the US knew what "Britpop" was, so, they couldn't well be seen as "just another Britpop band". Statement is a mess.

Yep. I don't think I've seen Depeche Mode on the list, so I'm pretty sure they will be in there.

Alison was already mentioned in the See Also for Spiritualized's "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space (Elvis Version)" at 23.

oh rats

it's probably my favorite rock song that hadn't placed yet

And mayne I said about the same [on hipinion], it's a disconnected series of impulses. Received wisdom V personal tastes V editorial bent V ret-conning the past such that it fits with/informs the present...

"Enjoy the Silence" in the top 20 would be mind-boggling to me (and Depeche Mode is one of my favorite bands)

WTF u talkin' bout, Depeche Mode has always been a lock for the top 20.

"it's a disconnected series of impulses"

this is sometimes also called life.

In re: Blur/US, nobody in the US knew what "Britpop" was, so, they couldn't well be seen as "just another Britpop band". Statement is a mess.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 2 September 2010 14:01 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The term hadn't even been coined yet - statement is a double mess

(if they'd said that it was the song w/ which Blur changed their game up without being vaguely snarky about bands the writer probably barely ever heard, that would have been legit I think)

That's awesome strongo. Happy 90210.

you used to be better at this.

not sure how many "rap/dance heads" there are

you dont really have to be a rap head to know & love a lot of the rap songs on this list but dance existed in sort of a different context during this time period, like you could listen to 2pac and green day on the radio but you probably wouldn't hear the orb

is guided by voices' 1995 track 'game of pricks' really the 36th best song of the 1990s?

like a whole s.tonne of picks, it's a completely unremarkable indie record

even the dude who did the blurb hasn't done his research. "The whole thing's just over a minute and a half long" -- yes, it's three quarters of a minute over a minute and a half long.

if it was in my toilet i wouldn't bother to flush [via 90s zings]

GBV at #36 -- I thought these guys were going top ten!!

for a different song or

Yup. See above re: "Car". Also really tired of "T.R.O.Y." as the go-to "I have a friend who's black!" hip-hop "awareness" herald.

And mayne I said about the same [on hipinion], it's a disconnected series of impulses. Received wisdom V personal tastes V editorial bent V ret-conning the past such that it fits with/informs the present...

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, September 2, 2010 10:05 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how come we're getting these diplomatic ott posts and hipinion gets awesome hardman stuff like

The thing that kills me is Tim, like Ewing and the other ILMers, hate Pitchfork. They hate Ryan. But their desire to be read, to communicate, and try to drive dialog, is stronger, so they're functionally hostages of Pitchfork's success. There's a whole class there that pissed on Pitchfork from 2000-2006 but then waddled through the door with their USB cables between their legs, rationalizing it by pretending ScottPL's presence makes it OK. Nate Patrin in particular shocked me, that he sunk to that; I called him out for it on ILM, he was just rabidly anti-P4K for years. Breihan surprised me as well. I mean...I understand the sensation that's driven them to make this and other compromises, but I don't understand how, after going through the process for long enough to realize there is no material gain on the other side of it, you don't make the decision to write for satisfaction, and separate it from making a living. Because you can't make a living that way, and the compromises you have to make in trying devalue the whole process. How can you delude yourself for this long?

Because you haven't earned my trust.

this list is reminding me to buy Pharcyde

xpost we knew you first u_u

lol

how can we possibly hate pitchfork in the same way as we did circa '99 to '04 when a good 75 percent of the writers' roster has turned over?

Because of the 25% that hasn't, obviously. And let's not pretend the recent crop is exactly storming the gates of literary or critical canonization.

Yup. See above re: "Car". Also really tired of "T.R.O.Y." as the go-to "I have a friend who's black!" hip-hop "awareness" herald.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, 2 September 2010 14:18 (1 minute ago) Permalink

this song rules d00d.

GBV at #36 -- I thought these guys were going top ten!!

for a different song or

I was anticipating "I Am a Scientist" in the top 10-20. Not that I'd rank it there myself, I agree that individual GBV songs can be unremarkable on their own, but I thought Pfork would disagree.

oh i dunno, ott. most of the writers i most hated from old-school pitchfork have long since given up their stake in it (if not their obsession with it).

Because of the 25% that hasn't, obviously. And let's not pretend the recent crop is exactly storming the gates of literary or critical canonization.

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:26 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

list is 'weird' i guess -- lol lists amirite -- but its also one id much rather listen to than a comparable list from 03 so

yes strongo, it's wrong and embarrassing to have feelings about music criticism.

it really is, but what else can a poor boy do.

ok quick question just out of curiosity, was there any tori amos in the list?

i do think there's a sort of weird duality here of pfork simultaneously trying to redefine itself, evidenced by all the landmark rap,dance,pop tracks in the list, while still clinging to its indie-is-the-best roots as evidenced by the high placing of "game of pricks", "car", "race for the prize", etc, none of which were as big or important or popular as a lot of the lower tracks in the list

there was a tori amos track in a 'see also' iirc

ok cool, just wondering. a small smh and i'll go back to happily ignoring this bs

"God" was a border jam.

"border jam"? what like...nearly a jam but not quite?

it's an excellent song, tho far from her best

Would it be too much to ask for Camp Lo to sneak into the top 20?

Yes, it bordered on being a jam. It was a preserve.

marmalade

god this is like if adrian dantley was giving interviews moaning about the pistons twenty years later. get a job already loser. grow up.

Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

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Fucking happy to see No Diggity presumably make the top 20.

(If it doesn't now, I may send anthrax to numerous pfork writers. Or forget all about and just go listen to Blackstreet.)

― a hoy hoy, Thursday, September 2, 2010 3:41 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

already charted

Did it? Oh my bad for missing it.

i mean who does this and then actually gets self righteous about it when called out on it. ps: caring about 'music criticism' past the point where you're being carded for tobacco = yes, actually pathetic, not honorable. pretending to care about 'music criticism' when really you're just pretending loudly you didn't fuck up severely years ago and years later still haven't figured out a next step = adult diapers level pathetic. grow up. get a job.

balls.

yawns.

adult diapers level pathetic

this calm cool detachment routine is extra fun since whiney's hipinion reveal

jesus christ what type of psycho loser posts on MULTIPLE BOARDS about a PITCHFORK LIST?????

not surprised growing up and getting a job doesn't interest ott but 'which built to spill song did they pick and where did it place?' leaves him riveted. pathetic.