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for fucks sake just wait two days, jesus

Aiight then. You don't have to yell. Shit.

he does, actually.

biological thing.

wait, did Oasis make it to the top 50 or did they not make it at all, because either way would be a bit ridiculous

I don't think, given their success, it would be particularly ridiculous for Oasis to appear in the top 50

even though I hate them

Ok, yall, I would seriously have an opinion on this if I could figure out what the pitchfork "narrative" is anymore. Like circa-1999 it was contrarian to RS/Blender/Pazz/VH1 canon, then circa-2004 it was contrarian to the Spin alterna-canon. And now I can't even figure out what it's trying to be at all. Like contrarian to the know-it-alls on ILX?

Like take the Public Enemy choice for example.

1. The old school RS/Blender/Vh1 thinking would have given that to "911 Is A Joke" easy—already on the vh1 list, political AND pop, everything hip-hop is "supposed to be" in the rockist viewpoint, both critically lauded AND a pop hit.

OK, but P4k can't be canon-loving rockists, so take it down to...

2. The kind of Wire/Signal To Noise/20JFG noise-is-art thinking, which would have given it to "Welcome To The Terrordome," no question. Avant-geeks traditionally stump for this because it's their most noisy, and also handily ties into shit like Burroughs, Girl Talk, mashup, copyrightlaw, plunderphonics, Tigerbeat6, etc...

But that's maybe whiteboy Spin-reader thinking, so...

3. The genre expert thinking: They seem to employ a lot of rap nerds/dance nerds on their staff these days to get lot of "genre voices"—really noticable this time out with all the dance stuff on this list, and helps them get the REAL SOUND of the genre from the REAL EXPERTS--which is def smart and appreciated (and RARELY done anywhere else, so kudos to fork on that) to not get token dance songs rock dudes who sometimes listen to Aphex Twin. However, any self-respecting XXL/Ego Trip/Vibe/noz/Complex whatever rap head would give it to "Shut Em Down (Pete Rock Remix)." It was a tunnel banger, probably the biggest "rap fan" Public Enemy song of the 90s.

So really, after you exhaust all those lines of thinking, what is choosing "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" actually saying?

they like it the best?

man y'all are some pychonian down-the-rabbit-hole motherfuckers

haha xpost

also lol at Whiney clowning others for overanalyzing the assembly of the list and then immediately after writing a 500-word post overanalyzing the assembly of the list

Ok, yall, I would seriously have an opinion on this if I could figure out what the pitchfork "narrative" is anymore. Like circa-1999 it was contrarian to RS/Blender/Pazz/VH1 canon, then circa-2004 it was contrarian to the Spin alterna-canon. And now I can't even figure out what it's trying to be at all. Like contrarian to the know-it-alls on ILX?

Like take the Public Enemy choice for example.

1. The old school RS/Blender/Vh1 thinking would have given that to "911 Is A Joke" easy—already on the vh1 list, political AND pop, everything hip-hop is "supposed to be" in the rockist viewpoint, both critically lauded AND a pop hit.

OK, but P4k can't be canon-loving rockists, so take it down to...

2. The kind of Wire/Signal To Noise/20JFG noise-is-art thinking, which would have given it to "Welcome To The Terrordome," no question. Avant-geeks traditionally stump for this because it's their most noisy, and also handily ties into shit like Burroughs, Girl Talk, mashup, copyrightlaw, plunderphonics, Tigerbeat6, etc...

But that's maybe whiteboy Spin-reader thinking, so...

3. The genre expert thinking: They seem to employ a lot of rap nerds/dance nerds on their staff these days to get lot of "genre voices"—really noticable this time out with all the dance stuff on this list, and helps them get the REAL SOUND of the genre from the REAL EXPERTS--which is def smart and appreciated (and RARELY done anywhere else, so kudos to fork on that) to not get token dance songs rock dudes who sometimes listen to Aphex Twin. However, any self-respecting XXL/Ego Trip/Vibe/noz/Complex whatever rap head would give it to "Shut Em Down (Pete Rock Remix)." It was a tunnel banger, probably the biggest "rap fan" Public Enemy song of the 90s.

So really, after you exhaust all those lines of thinking, what is choosing "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" actually saying?

― miccio kurihara (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 1:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omg dude you were just making fun of jay-z for writing 'slash/fic'

omg

jaymc

what am i doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_40kJlo9P4g

"Brothers Gonna Work It Out" is not any less noisy than "Welcome To The Terrordome" (and neither is "911 Is A Joke", for that matter)

man y'all are some pychonian down-the-rabbit-hole motherfuckers

jumping through the plate glass of pitchfork's expectations

Public Enemy never got it right til they did "Give It Up" on Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Age - YOU KNOW IT'S THE TRUTH

here's a new expression I'm working on: "You can't be too cool for school and then turn around and submit a thesis." What do you think?

Public Enemy never got it right til they did "Give It Up" on Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Age - YOU KNOW IT'S THE TRUTH

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh no

i was just thinking about this on my way to lunch and then typed it up when i got home, eesh

for real, though; remove the anti-Semitism and no one would have given two shits about "Welcome To The Terrordome" aside from the line "Hear the drummer get wicked!"

They don't have wifi at subway yet?

xpost as dumb as you think my posts are, congrats on topping it

ok, someone send up the Ott signal, i don't feel like talkin about this anymore

SUCCESS

it's kind of amazing to me that EVERY TIME pitchfork runs a list the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork for what amounts to a tabulation of ballots submitted by individuals.

uh, i still agree w/ u strongo

"there MUST be some deeper meaning!" yeah, and your toaster is talking to you, too.

Whiney G TalkingOutBothSidesOfHisMouthgarten

yeah, wow individuals can't be subject to critical trends, I MUST BE WEARING MY TON FOIL HAT

especially individuals who all write for the same place, how could they possibly influence each other, what a mad, mad, mad world

for real, though; remove the anti-Semitism and no one would have given two shits about "Welcome To The Terrordome" aside from the line "Hear the drummer get wicked!"

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 18:31 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hi dere, this is stupid.

also yes i feel ashamed for forgetting the shut 'em down remix. 3xdope is that.

Max, you can call me Jay-Z if you like. ;-)

Can we instead talk about how neither "cmon ride the train" or "this is how we do it" are gonna make the list?

like smug fucking dan perry with his "UH THEY LIKE IT BETTER ASSHOLE" but if you can't see the types of things that these type of ppl stump for changing over time, i honestly don't think you're paying attention, duderoo

how can you possibly wear a foil hat that weighs a ton!?

mihatweighsaton

this is ridiculously funny

do you guys actually read pitchfork

I just scroll down threads made about it

I read this list because ppl were talking about it

Then apparently I gave Whiney an aneurysm by making a hyperbolic unprovable assertion

Not to, you know, actually engage with your question, Whiney (especially since you took your ball and went home), but... To me, this list has been about clearing away a lot of the critical detritus from the 90's and calling out the stuff that actually resonated/resonates that didn't get magazine play back then. So you get "Your Woman," "Steal My Sunshine," "Lovefool," "Freedom '90" and other pop moments that haven't gotten a lot of critical play; you get all the indie touchstones, naturally; and you get the most lasting rap moments of the 90's (I'm expecting "Passin' Me By" and "Mind Playin' Tricks on Me" and "T.R.O.Y." in the top 50, for example.)

The problem with "Brothers Gonna Work it Out" is that it fits more in the overlooked gems catagory than the rap classics catagory (cuz there are a handful of PE songs ahead of it there.) But in terms of p4k's overall narrative, it seems pretty reasonable to me.

Not to, you know, actually engage with your question, Whiney (especially since you took your ball and went home)

haha no he didn't!

http://www.anthonyfernando.com/uploads/Image/PositiveThinking.jpg

btw I was the one who said "they like it best" so I would like my full credit for being smug and not paying attention

"but if you can't see the types of things that these type of ppl stump for changing over time, i honestly don't think you're paying attention, duderoo"

dude seriously it makes it very hard to engage you on this topic when you're essentially calling me "these type of ppl"

well, i just just mean pfk ppl. All writers—self included—are wittingly or unwittingly part of some narrative, whether it be Stylus, Spin, Pazz and Jop or the Hype Machine. I just want to better understand why the pfk narrative has evolved into what it has.