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is my memory hazy or haven't we had like 30,000 different thread for every pitchfork list where jaymc starts playing slash/fic with the voting process and everyone else pretty much rolls their eyes and says for the billionth time "it's editorial decisions not a democracy"

Well, do you know for a fact that it's editorial decisions or are you just presuming that it is? "Editorial decisions" is too vague to tell me anything, anyway. I suspect that the editors shuffle a few things around, but I'd like to think they're not determining the entire list themselves.

I only really started to pay attention to music in, like, 1998 or something though

That does make me feel old, though I really only started to pay attention to music in 1990.

oh my god dude

jaymc all the p4k lists are made the same way: staff votes + editorial massaging

Interesting that in the 90s video list, 15 of the top 20 videos are from 97-99.

I noticed this because I hadn't seen many of the videos, and those years were really the only years in the 90s that I wasn't watching mtv like 10 hours a day.

to be fair a lot of early 90s videos were REALLY bad. unless someone wants to make a case for collective soul rocking out in the woods.

Collective Soul. In the woods. Rocking out. Directed by Michel Gondry.

i'm kind of surprised Modest Mouse and (especially) D-Plan are so far on the list, honestly expected them to enter the top 50

I don't know, p4k tends to like Built to Spill a little more than Modest Mouse, and Dismemberment Plan seems like something they're just clinging to, so it makes sense to me that they'd be 100-51 range.

I'm pretty stoked that they chose "Trailer Trash." I'm not sure that Modest Mouse had a pivotal cultural moment in the 90's on the level of some of this other stuff, but for me and my friends "Trailer Trash" was earth-shattering.

Harvey Danger wuz robbed

perusing this track list, even the songs I don't like deserve to be on it

big ups for including "It's A Fine Day", puzzled look for (apparently?) bumping "Charly" for it

also MASSIVE ups for including "Wicked"

actually this is kind of a top 600, considering the "see also" choices

puzzled look for (apparently?) bumping "Charly" for it

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 11:19 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1 per artist, remember

i thought wicked over it was a good day was a smart move

Definitely. Also, I feel like you guys are picking a lot more up-tempo stuff than in the p4k 500.

When do we handicap the top 50?

I think the only 90s PE track I would pick over "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" is maybe "Burn, Hollywood, Burn". If "Fight The Power" hadn't been released in '89 that would have been a no-brainer.

So which Prodigy track is going to actually make it? IIRC they haven't shown up yet and if it's "Voodoo People" or "Firestarter" I'm going to hurt myself rolling my eyes. (It should be "Charly", "Everybody in the Place" or maaaaaybe "Out of Space" or "No Good (Start the Dance); I personally would pick "One Love" but that's me, I know not everyone else is as infatuated with that track as I am.)

"No Good (Start the Dance)" or "Breathe"

Pitchfork loves "My Boo."

My day is made.

it should be "out of space" but i seriously doubt ANY prodigy will make the list.

unless a lot of folks who were in high school/college at the time have some nostalgic fondness for "firestarter."

^^^ this is what I am afraid of

and i say this as the guy who wrote the "no good" blurb for the book.

but i mean, i'm happy to be proven wrong.

haha now watch, it will be #4: "Diesel Power" and we'll all be sitting here going "... huh"

ilxor the poster gets wildly sincere about pfork lists

If we're being honest I merely get bored and like to waste a little time with my over-analytical tendencies. Applies to pretty much everything in life, btw, not just Pfork lists -- which are fun to comment on because people react so *seriously* about it!

Alright, if nobody else is going to, I'm gonna take a shot at the top 50.

Unless that's a not cool move for some reason. Now's the time to let me know.

for fucks sake just wait two days, jesus

Aiight then. You don't have to yell. Shit.

he does, actually.

biological thing.

wait, did Oasis make it to the top 50 or did they not make it at all, because either way would be a bit ridiculous

I don't think, given their success, it would be particularly ridiculous for Oasis to appear in the top 50

even though I hate them

Ok, yall, I would seriously have an opinion on this if I could figure out what the pitchfork "narrative" is anymore. Like circa-1999 it was contrarian to RS/Blender/Pazz/VH1 canon, then circa-2004 it was contrarian to the Spin alterna-canon. And now I can't even figure out what it's trying to be at all. Like contrarian to the know-it-alls on ILX?

Like take the Public Enemy choice for example.

1. The old school RS/Blender/Vh1 thinking would have given that to "911 Is A Joke" easy—already on the vh1 list, political AND pop, everything hip-hop is "supposed to be" in the rockist viewpoint, both critically lauded AND a pop hit.

OK, but P4k can't be canon-loving rockists, so take it down to...

2. The kind of Wire/Signal To Noise/20JFG noise-is-art thinking, which would have given it to "Welcome To The Terrordome," no question. Avant-geeks traditionally stump for this because it's their most noisy, and also handily ties into shit like Burroughs, Girl Talk, mashup, copyrightlaw, plunderphonics, Tigerbeat6, etc...

But that's maybe whiteboy Spin-reader thinking, so...

3. The genre expert thinking: They seem to employ a lot of rap nerds/dance nerds on their staff these days to get lot of "genre voices"—really noticable this time out with all the dance stuff on this list, and helps them get the REAL SOUND of the genre from the REAL EXPERTS--which is def smart and appreciated (and RARELY done anywhere else, so kudos to fork on that) to not get token dance songs rock dudes who sometimes listen to Aphex Twin. However, any self-respecting XXL/Ego Trip/Vibe/noz/Complex whatever rap head would give it to "Shut Em Down (Pete Rock Remix)." It was a tunnel banger, probably the biggest "rap fan" Public Enemy song of the 90s.

So really, after you exhaust all those lines of thinking, what is choosing "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" actually saying?

they like it the best?

man y'all are some pychonian down-the-rabbit-hole motherfuckers

haha xpost

also lol at Whiney clowning others for overanalyzing the assembly of the list and then immediately after writing a 500-word post overanalyzing the assembly of the list

Ok, yall, I would seriously have an opinion on this if I could figure out what the pitchfork "narrative" is anymore. Like circa-1999 it was contrarian to RS/Blender/Pazz/VH1 canon, then circa-2004 it was contrarian to the Spin alterna-canon. And now I can't even figure out what it's trying to be at all. Like contrarian to the know-it-alls on ILX?

Like take the Public Enemy choice for example.

1. The old school RS/Blender/Vh1 thinking would have given that to "911 Is A Joke" easy—already on the vh1 list, political AND pop, everything hip-hop is "supposed to be" in the rockist viewpoint, both critically lauded AND a pop hit.

OK, but P4k can't be canon-loving rockists, so take it down to...

2. The kind of Wire/Signal To Noise/20JFG noise-is-art thinking, which would have given it to "Welcome To The Terrordome," no question. Avant-geeks traditionally stump for this because it's their most noisy, and also handily ties into shit like Burroughs, Girl Talk, mashup, copyrightlaw, plunderphonics, Tigerbeat6, etc...

But that's maybe whiteboy Spin-reader thinking, so...

3. The genre expert thinking: They seem to employ a lot of rap nerds/dance nerds on their staff these days to get lot of "genre voices"—really noticable this time out with all the dance stuff on this list, and helps them get the REAL SOUND of the genre from the REAL EXPERTS--which is def smart and appreciated (and RARELY done anywhere else, so kudos to fork on that) to not get token dance songs rock dudes who sometimes listen to Aphex Twin. However, any self-respecting XXL/Ego Trip/Vibe/noz/Complex whatever rap head would give it to "Shut Em Down (Pete Rock Remix)." It was a tunnel banger, probably the biggest "rap fan" Public Enemy song of the 90s.

So really, after you exhaust all those lines of thinking, what is choosing "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" actually saying?

― miccio kurihara (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 1:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

omg dude you were just making fun of jay-z for writing 'slash/fic'

omg

jaymc

what am i doing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_40kJlo9P4g

"Brothers Gonna Work It Out" is not any less noisy than "Welcome To The Terrordome" (and neither is "911 Is A Joke", for that matter)

man y'all are some pychonian down-the-rabbit-hole motherfuckers

jumping through the plate glass of pitchfork's expectations

Public Enemy never got it right til they did "Give It Up" on Muse Sick-N-Hour Mess Age - YOU KNOW IT'S THE TRUTH

here's a new expression I'm working on: "You can't be too cool for school and then turn around and submit a thesis." What do you think?