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TS: "Some People Change" by Chesney or Montgomery Gentry

Also, 4 CD set of new material by Vince Gill. Why?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm doing a shortie for the Scene on Chris Young. OK, I think he can sing, but as Frank says above, he's kinda missing something.

Could be Buddy Cannon's production, which seems flat and undefined to me. I think it's the drum sound. He did, if I recall rightly, the one Sara Evans record I don't like, because of the production.

Did anybody else notice that the new M-Gentry record has 1) really good graphics, I think 2) they don't list *any* writers' credits that I see, which is right unusual for a Nashville record?

And anybody heard the new Keith Urban? I think I'm getting a watermarked copy, had to convince them I'm not working the "Paducah and Carbondale corridor," as Colbert and Randy Newman amusingly spoke of in a recent episode that had Newman completely up for Colbert's fine (but sometimes annoying) switcheroo-bullshit act. And not going to make bootleg knockoffs with a nudie pic of Nicole crudely placed on cheap paper. (If you can somehow catch that Colbert Reporr episode again--it ran maybe 10-14 days ago, it's a good one, not least because Newman *sang* "Political Science" as it ended.)

I haven't gotten or heard that Gill. Smart people have told me it's suprisingly good, apparently he does a whole disc of what was described to me as "swamp pop." He's a good damn guitar player, is the thing, a talented guy indeed. And he's got Amy, sweet Amy...

Decided I quite liked the Gary Bennett record. One-time minor leaguer who had to take a job at Home Depot (apparently he did), drinks too much, doesn't like turning 40. Great sound, and I think the record works well as an entity, if a bit depressing on rainy days.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reviewing Lari White's "Stinky Socks" for PaperThinWalls. It's from Kid Pan Alley Nashville, which isn't strictly country, but neither are most of the other contenders for my Top Ten (It's got a few duds, but the goodies are so good, incl some semi-ringers, like Amy's "Christmas In Nashville." Christmas is mostly for kids, and retailers, incl baby moguls, so maybe it's not a ringer at all, but not sure of kid input, which is allegedly present on all tracks). So, I will do a search on these bigass Rolling C.s, cos I know somebody said something about her, but any thoughts on Lari?

don (dow), Saturday, 21 October 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Neither Allmusic/Billboard nor Wikipedia had writer credits on the Monty G, but I found this on their Website:

Some People Change
Michael Dulaney, Jason Sellers, Neil Thrasher

Hey Country
Bart Allmand, Danny Myrick, Jeffrey Steele

Lucky Man
David Cory Lee, Dave Turnbull

Takes All Kinds
Michael Dulaney, Troy Gentry, Neil Thrasher

Your Tears Are Comin'
Tom Hambridge, Jeffrey Steele

Clouds
Eddie Montgomery, Tony Mullins, Jeffrey Steele

Twenty Years Ago
Gary Nicholson, Rivers Rutherford, Jeffrey Steele

What Do Ya Think About That
Brett Jones, Anthony Smith

Redder Than That
Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

Man's Job
Gary Hannan, Eddie Montgomery, Phil O'Donnell, Thom Shepherd

If You Wanna Keep an Angel
Troy Gentry, Rivers Rutherford, Tom Shapiro

Free Ride in the Fast Lane
Houston Robert, Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

(Allmusic did mention Mark Wright as having a hand in the production, and Wright is generally excellent.)

Have heard only the title song. Doesn't hit me nearly as hard as it seems to be knocking over everyone else; well sung, well played, surely, hazy wah-wah against precise chording, and I'd be surprised if the Chesney version were as good (never heard it); but this is slow, and the chorus carries a heavy wall of rock sound not unlike late '70s Springsteen (Edd mentioned the Springsteen connection upthread), which just isn't my favorite style. Not nearly as alive and fun as "She Couldn't Change Me." Change schmange. And as for the message of life transformation, this song goes through motions that "Jesus Take the Wheel" does for real. On the other hand, the gospel choir at the end actually lifts the music - I'd almost call it exciting, and I'm generally a hater of gospel choirs in rock songs. The choir in "Like a Prayer" is one of the few others I can tolerate. I'll probably like the album - MG are my favorite band of the '00s (unless you count Ying Yang Twins as a band, and come to think of it, YYT are probably as much a band or not a band as the Montgumbos).

I was just listening to "Some People Change" on Launch Yahoo, and - since I'm on their Spanish language site 'cause it has fewer and better-sounding commercials - which has now tossed Belinda's great "Angel" at me. Talk about knowing how to do melodrama. Someday one of these country bands simply has to go and record in Mexico.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

thanks frank. I found all that on the website, but wonder why they didn't list it on the record. my theory is that eddie and troy wrote more on this one than they ever have before, and wanted to give the impression they're a "band" (they're a duo w/ studio cats) and that they're songwriters. as usual, the number of songs they go thru to get 12 is amazing, in this case it was 4000, if montgomery's comment to me is accurate. amazing.

did a critic pick on chris young for the scene; he's participating in this "broadway meets country" benefit at tn.perf. arts ctr. next wk., where people like him, raul malo, etc., sing b-way toonz and the broadway cats go country. it's part of the big leadup to CMA awards here, and in its second year. anyway, I think he can sing just fine, in fact he's quite good, but those fucking songs on that record (his own "drinkin' me lonely" and one or two others are real good, though) were my problem, and buddy cannon's production, which just sounds dated to me. I mean that song about wanting to move to mexico, hard as I try to get into the mindset, if I can use that odious word, that created it, just makes me arf. really disgraceful. if they'll get me in, I'd love to see what he does with other material; and seems to me he shoulda made a record like jamey johnson's. and, turns out young has been trying, had been trying, to get into music even before the nash star stuff, and his dad was sort of in the bizness.

nashville songwriting is such a weird animal, undeniably professional, but wearying. "some people change" is a decent example; it seems to lose its way in that chorus, which drives me nuts, and the song is *everywhere* on the radio here now, giving away the CD, and all that. they have to relate everything to some big emotion and some perceived audience, and of course to the War Effort and the Heroes in Iraq. I mean fuck, I feel for those guys, who wouldn't, and having recently shepherded a couple of friends thru their AA traumas, which are no laughing matter, I guess beating the booze is "heroic," but that chorus is still just Bad Art. it's almost a great song, is the thing, and as frank says, I think the gospel choruses are a good idea. (country seems to be using them more as Signifier of Soul, just like every country record has got to have a song about Dropping My Load and Moving to Sunny Mexico.) but shit, these guys truly maximize Southern rock as effectively as anyone I can think of, and "free ride in fast lane" is pretty great, as is "hey country." which is one of the best songs about being not quite working class I know; very savvy about their audience, and I love the detail where the old boy in the song is working at the auto-repair shop and sometimes they let 'im work on a fan belt or whatever it is--he's a stoner, still, and tends to, uh, forget what the haill he's doing, completely ruint mr. gentry's lexus so we learnt a lesson there. but a good ol' boy, just still thinks he's in high school and he's 27. also, perhaps their most big and rich -influenced song on the record? in short, the m-gentry record ought to be licensed for continuous play at every highschool reunion ('80s) from here to wichita.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

I've written (on prev R.C.thread and thefreelancementalists) about digging the halfway house macho/siege mentality/defensiveness/knowing you're fucked/hopefullness of prev album (and political implications etc.) But the further coming to grips on here only works if you got a good strong grip and something to grip, rassle with. Otherwise it's like Sasquatch is way overmedicated, but not in a fun way. Overmed=mediocre, that is. So I don't give a shit about the first four tracks (sure, throw that bottle in the video, that's all it takes; whyncha take the Pledge vs. demon rum, like Sen. Tower, and where is he now)(although seeing oneself or anyway "you" as "one more spoke in the wheel" is a tiny xtreme flashback to Doom Your Thing siegebrush). "Your Tears Are Coming" chopsnchannels wrath or at least indignation, like Free covering Seger (only not that good). "Clouds" is succinct with the sentiment; "20 Years Ago" ditto, and he knows it's one of those what the fuck can you do? family situations. "I don't care what anybody thinks!" Undercut by "What do you think about that?" (wry laugh, he knows he cares)"A Man's Job": deftly bitchy macho (good students of Willie and Merle!) "Angel" and "Free Ride" may worm themselves into my non-channelswitching tolerance/apathy. "Redder"? The Doom Your Thing bikers pawned that ring for Peter Pan Port, lonnng ago, Archie and Fonzie!

don (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

New Montgomery Gentry and Bright Eyes albs being streamed for a week at AOL's Listening Party (also new Marion Raven!!!*, Hannah Montana, Brooke Hogan, Jibbs, Who, Moby, My Chemical Romance)(busy week).

*Marion's is an EP, six songs, three new, three from the Atlantic alb that was never released here; she's concentrating on the rockers rather than the Max Martins, unfortunately. She's basically transforming herself into an L.A. rocker chick. Meat Loaf's duet with her is in the British Top Ten right now.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

(As a matter of fact, the Marion EP is probably as relevant to this thread as to the teenpop; at least it's closer to Shooter Jennings than to M2M; not as interesting as either, though it sounds good. I'd like to see her create a Shakira-Shooter-Crüe amalgamation, but I doubt she'll ever try.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody has to! (Shakira's hardbilly "r" ["mmyee deeearr"] and still relatively big ol' billybutt etc etc., times Shooter keyboards on the itchy rocks and Crue-well, I've never gotten into theyum, but their fearlessness would help)

little pink strips for you and me (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

one listen into the new dierks, doing something quick on the turnaround on it. well, shit, it's as gratifyingly abstract as the first one. I mean, his shtick re ramblin' and gamblin' is lame, but damn, "that don't make it easy lovin' me" is pretty amazing, not least of all as a rewrite of "lot of leavin' left." rocks in on a tangle of guitar and then stomps with a terse lick that is gratifyingly abstract. a modified 1-1V progression, with "I got a woman/Let me tell you man she's something/You won't catch me doin' nothin'/That'll make her leave," the bit where he stretches the end of the words just like his first big single last year. in short, kinda brilliant, and taking waylonisms and bluegrass mythos into new territory, formally. the drag is that he's kind of nothing as a singer. what this almost is, is the new byrds circa 1970, or gene clark without the doom in his voice. i'm impressed, this gets over on pure aural pleasure, interaction between guitars and banjo and that great riff. greatest country rewrite of the year. dunno about his ballads, as on the last record, but he gets brett beavers to record these fine guitar textures and licks, so whether or not he leaves california with $50 and a gas card that is already maxed out and gets with that sweet girl, he's not gonna do it in actuality so just sit back and enjoy the fakeness of it all.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, did you start out referring to the very first, or the one with "Lot Of Leavin," which is the second, although it is the first that I heard (and most reviewers whom I know have mentioned it was their first also). I've come to think of him as a singing bandleader; tragic he's so handsome, or prob would have been marketed that way (leading to threadz like C/D:Dierks Bentley Band vs. Del McCoury Band, as TheLord intended). I should listen to the new, I really got to like a lot of those songs (on the second alb)the more I heard them on the radio: could've been worked to death, like others were,during out long national nightmare of '04/'05 c**y albs being milked mercilessly into early '06. But instead, they were balm between Williads.(I should listen to it, but I just got Songbird: Willie Nelson, produced and 'ccompanied by Ryan and The Cardinals, and they're doing G.Dead songs etc, so I'm goin' truckin', like the DooDah *and* the DooDoo Man [Willie and Ryan, that is])

don (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

is it well-known that dierks went to a new jersey prep school (and was a vandy fratboy)? or is that the sort of thing that surprises no one these days?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know that, but bio says he did his homework while working at The Nashville Network (and playing in clubs, developing his sense of combo). Just listened to Songbird, and won't say too much about it, in case I review it or it starts to suck. But both seem unlikely. It's probably not a jam session, too much spot-on in the Be Here Now. Drama, but not too much. The only Dead song is "Stella Blue," which Garcia wrung so much pathos from in original, that wuss me prefers Nelson's relative reserve (still pretty intense, and Ryan keeps things from getting too subtle by injecting sustain and feedback). Also: Christine McVie's "Songbird," L.Cohen's "Hallelujah," "1000 Dollar Wedding", several by Willie, Ryan (2 new ones from each, and nothing very familiar otherwise), Harlan Howard, others.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, Willie and Ryan each have 1 new song, not 2.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

Man, you guys all raced ahead of me during my long weekend in Michigan (neice's wedding as World Series opened -- fun!). I haven't even laid eyes nor hands on a copy of the new Dierks yet. (Yep, his third not his second, as Don said.) Got Kellie Pickler in the mail yesterday; listened only to a couple tracks, which struck me as disappointingly so-what, but maybe I was just in a bad mood. Edd's MG comments are pretty much right on across the board, near as I can tell. "Some People Change" the song isn't even new, I don't think (wasn't it on a Greatest Hits album that came out a year ago? And yeah, there's that Chesney version too - well, it's on his new live album anyway), but it's also easily one of the least consequential songs on the new MG album. Which is better than any other album I've heard this year by anybody in any genre, though I'm open to hearing other nominations for the title. Still not as good as their second album, just like my as-we-speak (could easily change in other words) second favorite album of this year, by the Hold Steady, isn't as good as *their* second album, but I'm not complaining. Still seems like a good year. And yeah, MG are probably my favorite band of the decade, too; I like them way more than the Ying Yang Twins, who have only album I truly love, and whose last album (well, the last album before their B-sides and remixes album, the latter of which was good if apparently incomplete judging from all the stray rare mixtape tracks Frank's always mentioning all the time) was really tedious, and their upcoming album (which is supposed to be more "serious", with Wyclef duets and stuff, not that I hate Wyclef or anything, but still) I do not have high hopes for. Okay, more later...sometime.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

version too - well, it's on his new live album anyway

Oops, no it's not. It's on When The Sun Goes Down, and was one of the most ignorable tracks there, too. As for whose version is better, it's a tossup. Why is such a mediocre song so popular? Weird.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

As for Chris Young, I suppose some of what Edd says about him does ring true, I admit it. Though I still find the Mexico song goofy fun (and a lot less run-of-the-mill than "Drinkin' Me Lonely," which isn't one of my favorite tracks.) Also not sure what Edd means about the production sounding "dated," though then again I never get when people make that complaint about music. If it's good, it's good. And like I said, to me it just sounds like a 2006 pop-country album, so I'm not even sure what it would be dated to, if dated it is.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

As for whose version is better, it's a tossup

Well, in my head right now, anyway. I should play them back to back sometime and see what happens. And yeah, I too assume MG would win.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

. If it's good, it's good.

And if it has a flat drum sound, as Edd argues, it has a flat drum sound -- Nothing old or new about flat drums. Not that I've noticed the charge applies here. (Though is Nashville production in general lass flat and undefined than it used to be? If so, maybe that's what Edd means. And he might have a point -- I'm definitely liking way more pop-country than I was 15 years ago, and production probably has plenty to do with that. Along with fewer wasted tracks, more rocking guitars, all the drummers from hard rock bands who moved south, smarter songwriting, etc. Though again, Chris Young's album still feels like 2006 to me, not 1991.) (Country CDs often do seem to sound less thin now, though part of that is probably just the nature of recording studio technology, I'm guessing.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Kelefa's review of Some People Change.

Still haven't listened to the MG alb. (At the listening post Brooke Hogan sounded surprisingly good in the background, given that her style seems modeled after the incurably blasé and bland Janet Jackson. Doesn't have a distinctive voice, but does at least have presence, and lots of pretty Storch sounds.) I've listened to relatively few albums this year, 'cause they're not coming in the mail in nearly the old quantity and anyway it's far more fun careening around YouTube than working my way through longplayers. My top albs are Marit, Paris, and Dixies, unless I want to include compilations, in which case Totally Country Vol. 5 and Crunk Hits Vol. 2 are up there. (The reason not to count the comps isn't that they're comps but that most of what's on them predates '06.) Anyway, I can easily imagine that there are ten better albums this year than my top three, but the way things are going with my "career" I'm not likely to hear them. Might vote for JoJo if I hear it again. Should relisten to the Electric Boogie Dawgz, which I got a kick out of. Gawd, if I'm struggling to reach 10 I'll even vote for last year's Electric Six (haven't heard this year's), which got its U.S. release in March. Missed my window of opportunity on Dierks at the listening party. Oh, I keep forgetting that Dylan had an album this year. Came out same time as Paris and so got overlooked in this odd neighborhood of ours. Not having heard a lick of it, I'd say it's the favorite so far to win Pazz & Jop, but that's just because no other obvious alternative candidate has stepped forward yet (at least as far as ignorant Frank knows). You guys have any opinion on Modern Times?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

for me, quickly cause I got to gather up my dad and take him for a flu shot--my dad moves slow and it's cold today--"Modern Times" works real good as music, less well as words. which is fine. I sure dig the modified memphis-groove; he went to the school of jim dickinson. it's a groove album.

i'm supposed to write about kellie pickler. my m-gentry piece, w/ interview stuff from eddie, comes out online in the n-ville scene tomorrow.

and right, don, "lotta leavin'" is on the second dierks. I think I don't even have the first one any more. "that don't make it easy lovin' me" is one of my fave songs of the year, already, quite addictive. dierks should cover gene clark's "los angeles." I have been quite into clark's "no other" and that dillard and clark album, "fantastic expedition." my buddy dave duncan keeps telling me that "f.e." is the real start of country-rock not "gilded palace," but I think it's the real start of whatever these neo-bluegrass formalists in nashville like dierks are doing.

I dunno--the drum sound on chris young just doesn't strike me as a good drum sound. and I admit it, I really didn't give chris a full chance on first few listens. he can sing. I guess I feel as though the production doesn't surround him, that it's one-dimensional. my sense is that they were trying to sell the Voice and that's it, and maybe I'm wrong.

Nashville production has gotten way better in the last few years, but as Mark Nevers and others I've been fortunate enough to pick brains of have told me, there's an ungodly amount of compression going on in the mastering of most Music Row productions. That in my opinion is what makes something like Sara Evans' records so remarkable--they don't sound all squashed down. Brett Beavers' prod of the new Dierks sounds kinda like the last one, a bit trebly and a bit bass-light. This sounds like a conscious strategy to me.

Gary Bennett's record is so good partly because R.S. Field is so good a producer. Exemplary.

Big 50 Years of Steve Cropper thing happening at the Ryman on the first, which would've been my mother's 72nd birthday. with John Anderson, B.J. Thomas, John Kay, Mark Farner, and many others. If the TJ Martell Foundation will comp me the tix they promised (they're like $150, and I did a short thing on the show for the Scene, so gimme), I'll be there. Amazing to think Cropper started playing guitar in 1956 in Memphis, and he's still going--seen him a couple times out playing recently, and even when he's kinda fucking off he's still got that sound.

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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Butt Bingo on the Dillard & Clark connection, Edd, though here it seems most evident on the last track, "Prodigal Son's Prayer," featuring the Generals (Dave Talbot on banjo, etc).This could def be on the same bill as the Del McCoury Band. (Mebbe he could do an album with them? If it worked for Earle--)Otherwise though, and despite his claims of "Band Of Brothers," it's more about the usual A-List Cats, like J.T. Corenflos, who sometimes get more to chaw on than these tunes, which I doubt will grow on me as much as the previous set did. Sad-to-solemn road-to-sitting-room songs. No route to boudoir that I can glimpse, even by tactful implication. (Of course it aint aimed at me,babe, starting with the demographic.) Just not enough candy with the flowers, which are a little dusty (silk). Could be solemn candy, that might work(for his intended audience, which might also be that of Jack Johnson, and John Mayer, when he's not so LOUD) But even Alan Jackson and George Strait know or once knew when to lighten up a little, add or 'low a little more bounce (and so did Dierks). Oh well I said the same about him before, so maybe he'll straiten me out again.

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Did Steve Cropper record in the 50s? Somehow I never thought to look back before Booker T. & The MGs (whom I assumed started in the 60s, but--?)

don (dow), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Omigod. Trace Adkins just dropped the key on "Star Spangled Banner" into the abyss. That must have hurt.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Crawford do some session work in the late '50s when he worked at Sun and Peacock, before moving to Stax? He's listed as guitarist on some 1958 Hank Crawford recordings, but I haven't heard them. And don't forget he played with the Mar-Keys, who pre-date the MGs.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

err, that should read "Didn't Cropper..."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ying Yang Twins, who have only album I truly love,

...have only ONE album I etc. (aka Me and My Brother. Though maybe I should go back and listen to their debut Thug Walkin more one of these days. I also like the two remix sets My Brother and Me and USA Still United, and the side project Da Musicianz from this summer is finally growing on me, and there was a weird B-side EP I found a few years ago that was good too. So: One great album, one boring one, and a bunch of perfectly okay ones. But I still like my least favorite Montgomery Gentry album {their debut, I guess} more than my second favorite Ying Yang Twins album.)

Did anybody else notice that the new M-Gentry record has 1) really good graphics,

Weirder: The front cover of their new CD looks almost exactly the same as the back cover of their previous CD! (Maybe paintings based on the previous back cover's photographs, or something? Wacky!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Some good stuff on Alley, the second Ying Yang Twins album. Has my favorite Ying Yang Twins song as such, "Sound Off." But my greatest Ying Yang favorites are actually the guest shots they do on Lil Jon's "Get Low," Pitbull's "Bojangles," and Don Yute's "Row Da Boat," the last couple of which they totally own. The version of "Bojangles" without them and Jon is much less exciting.

But that's all off-topic.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

Only slightly more on topic: Gwen Stefani yodels on her new single (streamed here - and uses brass band, and house bass, and she screws around with song form (or screws around by seeing how much form she can jettison).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Meant to say that the new Gwen single is "Wind It Up."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

Some good stuff on *Alley*, the second Ying Yang Twins album

I never even knew this album existed until two days ago, when I was googling in an attempt to find out the weird audio EP (only playable in DVD players) (because mostly otherwise a DVD, as are the two outtake/remix albums) I mentioned above. It's Puttin' It In.

But yeah, way off topic. Unless you think Southern hip-hop and Ying Yangs in particular are "country" (some do, and not just Britney.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

PS) Dwight Yoakam two-disc Guitars Cadillacs etc etc etc etc reissue is about five times too much of a fairly good thing (sort of like his version of that ridiculous Funhouse box set on Rhino or something, maybe). But it does make me wish I still owned the original Oak Records EP on vinyl (probably sold in a mid '80s purge).

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

reading rob bowman on stax, I see that cropper and the royal spades did an early pre-mclemore-ave. stax/satellite single around '60 or '61, but no reference to anything earlier than that. the "50 years" thing in the upcoming show refers to when cropper began playing guitar, in '56, at messick high in memphis. really, people always say that rufus and carla's "gee whiz" invented stax, but for me it's cropper and packy axton as "mar-keys" doing "last night" that gets it well and truly going.

I guess I'm in the minority on really liking alan jackson's "like red." just about everyone I've talked to dismisses it as sterile middlebrow airbrushed krauss-i-fication, but I just find it calming and even sort of inspired pop music. rich kienzle in the new no depression really takes it to task, "navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans." OK, Rich is a good writer and I see his point, but I mean I get a lot of my world view from the monthly co-op newspaper (really, a well-done publication, excellent charts and photos of soybeans in all parts of Tenn., and some good recipes, plus great info about how farmers use Science, just like Alan and Alison use the Recording Studio to Make Music That Isn't Necessarily Last Year's Crop) and have nearly gotten myself kicked out the Bluebird because it can be so fucking boring. I don't get that the record is "arty" as Kienzle maintains--it's no artier than Dwight Yoakam anytime. For my part, I'd love to hear more people in Nashville doing exactly what Krauss does on this record; to some extent, Nevers is doing it, but within the context of "indie" or whatever with Lambchop, and his new Charlie Louvin record ought to be choice. In short, I have no problem with this kind of thing at all, I suppose I have some bad old Middlebrow in me. But I seem to be just about the only person who really likes this record, which for sure makes my top ten this year.
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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

I got all excited about the Charlie Louvin record; that excitement was tempered rather by hearing that the dread hand of the Costello was involved. I like EC as much as the next man, but he's generally at his worst when he's paying homage.

I bought a Charlie Louvin LP, "It Almost Felt Like Love", recently (I'd always steered clear of his solo material, assuming it just wouldn't match up). It's surprisingly fine.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

"navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans.

I haven't seen the whole review but that quote is maybe the most wreteched countrier-than-thou-ism I've ever read.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think Rich's review makes a good point, that the record is sort of effete or attenuated; it is, sort of, and it's sort of instant nostalgia, perhaps unearned nostalgia. but I dunno about the idea of "earning" something or some way to represent reality when we're talking about art and all that. I enjoy the record, and was kidding around about How Country we can get and so forth--I mean I'm an Alan Jackson admirer, not a huge fan but he's good and I respect him and think he could exert himself even more and do better work, but he's calm and that's his thing. I'm also an NPR fan, as far as that goes, and I mean I've been quiet in the Bluebird, too. But Rich is probably right about the country audience perhaps not quite knowing what to do with this record, but Ray Charles wasn't content with his r&b audience just like everybody wants to cross over. For Rich, the record is a train wreck (his words); for me, it's a charming record that might traffic a bit in cheap emotions and calibrated forms, but seems like c.e.'s and c.f.'s are a big part of pop music in general, and they want to go pop.

Excellent: Dierks doing "Fast Lanes and Country Roads" from "She Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool," and Brad Paisley "In Times Like These," where he sounds more lowdown, a bluesman even. For that matter, the banal hackery of some of the chord changes, very J.R. and Sue Ellen-pink, that anchor "I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool" as done by K. Chesney and R. McEntire--that's pretty fucking middlebrow and cheesy, but the version is a good one, and useful historical perspective on the bad old '80s. Haven't heard "If Loving You Is Wrong, I Don't Wanna Be Right Yet" by dirty LeAnn Rimes; that might be for my tumbler o'bourbon and smoking jacket, later tonight.

Only ringer so far I've heard on "She Was Country" is Randy Owen doing "Years," that Fogleberg quaver, bearded ass-man in doleful extremis, I don't like it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

navel-gazing ballads score big with Bluebird Café types or dilettantes who derive their primary world view from NPR. One suspects damn few of these folks were ever Alan Jackson fans.

hi dere

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

x-post That No Depression "Like Red" review surprises me--I thought they'd be all for it. What are they really into this year? Alejandro Escovedo? For what it's worth I love the Jackson album.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

When was Alan Jackson not instant middlebrow nostalgia?? New album's the only one by him I've ever made it through without getting bored long before the record ended. And so what if I was never an Alan Jackson fan before? He's had a few good songs here and there, but dude was just never all that good, for crissakes.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

Also, way more to the point, when has No Depression not been about instant middlebrow nostalgia itself?? I guess Kienzle's point is that Jackson is supposedly reaching for a more upscale Starbucks crowd for this album, which he may well be (though actually reaching said crowd might be a longshot), but isn't that pretty much the exact same crowd that No Depression has always aimed for? I don't get it. I also don't get how making what's more or less (at its best anyway) a Gary Allan record is any more nostalgic than the neo-traditionalism of "Chatahoochie" or "Little Man" (and Alan has almost never been as good as those two songs in his career anyway).

In possibly related news, there's a glowing full-page review of the new Dierks Bentley album, of all things, in Paste, of all places, arguing that fans of alt-country shouldn't ignore Nashville country, which Geoffrey Himes says has gotten better in the past few years (though he may he overrate Bentley's importance in that equation -- Dierks is hardly the most interesting act in Nashville, though I agree he can frequently be real good -- and Himes mentions the Wrights and Bobby Pinson but not Big & Rich or Toby Keith or Montgomery Gentry as evidence of his claim, which strikes me as somewhat odd). Nice to see the barrier being broken down, regardless.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

(Though No Depression perceives itself as identifying with rowdy roadhouses, not effete coffeehouses, right? Whatever. Either way, that magazine complaining that an Alan Jackson album is too polite makes about as much sense to me as Decibel complaining that a new Meshuggah album is too metal. Or something.) (Though I dunno, if it was a Montgomery Gentry album, maybe it'd make sense? Does No Depression even review Montgomery Gentry albums yet?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

no, ND doesn't do MG albums and probably never will. I think the roadhouse/NPR contrast is pretty much it. I've been to plenty of "roadhouses" or whatever down south, and I listen to NPR. When I went to Perry's Flowing Fountain on Nelson St. in blues-town Greenville, Miss., and ate the spaghetti 'n' catfish and listened to patrons get rowdy to a jukebox full of Bobby Rush, B. B. King, Latimore, et al., I didn't come out of there ready to extol the roadhouse, it's just a bar with music. And one might remember that acting as if you're having an "authentic blues experience" in a place like that and letting the patrons--in this case, very well-dressed black middle-class lawyers and so forth, with their equally dressed-up wives and girlfriends--see that in your face, that lets you in for a lot of deserved derision from them. So it's a bad habit.

A lot of what alt-country is, to me, it's just bar music, music you hear in a bar, intellectualized bar music, whatever, and having to worry about my relationship to the supposedly "authentic" or not, is wearying to me and fucks up my thinking and writing. So I don't do it, but I think ND honestly tries to get at some of that stuff and that there might well be something in the effort that I am either too rooted or not rooted enough to fully appreciate. It's just a bar--let's have a drink.

Glad to see that Himes gives country its due; by my lights, Dierks Bentley is a classic case of a pretty good artist whose overall production-design is flawed. Kinda like a pretty good and perfectly good-looking but not spectacularly beautifuly actress who never quite gets lighted the right way on set. What I find interesting about Dierks' last 2 is the utter banality of the whole thing, when you set the sometimes kind of brilliant *conception* of the *sound, playing and production* itself against the, to my ears, deflating *sententiousness* of the sentiments themselves. In other words, the whole ramblin' thing makes me urp, and the point of those records is a) the fact he's got this unruly head of curls, no hat (and MG are significant not least because Eddie wears his big hat/duster and Troy doesn't, and that's the contrast, exactly what they try to do in their music, whereas Dierks is all No Hat) b) the one great trick Brett Beavers has come up with re DB--using this four-four kick-drum stomp to ground some really interesting guitar licks by the great J.T. Corenflos and the surgically applied banjo and the occasional really cool lick as in "That Don't Make It Easy Lovin' Me," which is I think the only great song on the record, just like "Lot of Leavin'" which it rewrites was the only great one on the last one. I find the 4/4 kick a bit intrusive after a while, altho on this one the drummer often does a kind of roll suggestive of some Civil War memory or some forgotten road memory or whatever, and that adds to the whole thing. And the songs are mostly non-songs, actually, and the one where Dierks imagines an egalitarian heaven with the usual post-hobo-sentimental cast of characters, is downright fulsome. Plus, as on "Modern Day Drift," the production itself is wrong, both these records sound like they were just digitally moved around and flattened out, they lack depth. Too compressed. And that's what I find mystifying about country music and some of the writing about it, why not talk about the record as artifice and get into why they sound the way they do? As on Jackson or as on MG, which sounds fucking great. I kind of wish they'd work on their harmonies a bit more, or do something with background voices that wasn't just using some gospel choir, which has become just as much empty signifier as mariachi horns in country music.

Anyway, Dierks just needs a new producer, and god forgive me, but he needs to record somewhere else than Nashville, perhaps. It's obvious that Brett Beavers (who cowrites nearly every song on the record w/ Dierks and one/two others) has created this sound that is supposed to go with a ramblin' persona, and it half-works. And that songs are written piecemeal and by committee to fit into that sound. I'll stop here: Dierks, to my mind, isn't all that interesting as a person or a "star," but the whole process by which he makes records is real interesting and indicative of what can be wrong with how they make records on Music Row these days. And that most of the records made around here sound fucking great.

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edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

For what it's worth, Himes and Paste are a bit behind ND. Barry Mazor did a big feature on Dierks in the magazine issues ago, so let's not start again with the ND strawman. We covered that pretty well last year, and it was clear that most of the folks opining on what ND stands for and covers couldn't be bothered to pick up a recent issue.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

The Rich quote is a parody, rat? Gotta be--as xhuxx says, not like AJ was some rowdystential heerow before AK got her girly hooks in his jeans. And seems like (hope I'm wrong, but can't stand the thought of listening to his new album again tonight) we're all being too girly nice to Dierks at this point. Not like his bios haven't emphasized that he studied country hard, in school, at work (The Nashville Network), and On The Road, which he now invokes every other line. Not like he just fell off the turnip truck, pathetically grateful for whatever the TrashVegans ram up his innocent tushie. So, he's gotta restore the quality control, songwise (shitshining's all in a day's work for Corenflos etc., but not for meee)

don (dow), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

All of a sudden, everyone wants to work with Alison Krauss, who's sort of the country version of DJ Premier
--Tom Breihan in The Village Voice

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 28 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Finally got a shot at the MG listening party, may be too busy to get a second before it drops off. Favorite song by far is "Hey Country," which sounds as if it could be a Warrant song (in fact, might be better as a Warrant song). Liking the sound overall but thinking the melodies don't quite take me over that big tent they're invoking. "Your Tears Are Coming" and "Redder That That" rocked me nicely. But so far during listen numero uno nothing hit me nearly as hard as "Cold One Comin' On" and "Free Fall." To really work, the "Fast Lane" one should have sounded more like "Life in the..." (though it's a good little rouser). Most intriguing is "Clouds," 'cause Eddie's deliberately singing way above his range, to convey strain and reach, I'd guess.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Frank, I sent you a copy of the MG CD; you'll have it shortly. (I figured it must've arrived there already, but apparently not.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 29 October 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, "Clouds" is good, I like about half of it, as said above, but c'mon (for instance), "Slow Ride In A Fast Lane"? They're not even trying. What's next, "Cat Scratch Highway"? (Okay, I'd like to hear that). Dixie Chicks sounding very strong with current material, on VH-1 Storytellers right now. (Cool if Krauss and Lari White are vanguard of a new wave of female producers in mainstream country. Lari's got more varied background, so she may get more work, eventually, but of course AK may have more clout as a more hitmaking/-having artist and bandleader and producer of her own stuff, if she does that; I haven't paid that much attention to her own albums)

don (dow), Sunday, 29 October 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

I sent you a copy of the MG CD

Oh, good, then I can snatch some time to listen to the Brooke Hogan instead (not a distinctive voice, but for r&b riffiness and catchiness she beats a lot of more distinctive singers, e.g. her producer's gf Janet Jackson).

(Haven't visited the PO in a couple of days; the package with the Mandrell trib arrived, as has the one with the Alan Jackson and the Cornerstone mixes. A couple of mix CDs are on their way to you.)

"Redder That That" - "Redder Than That"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

(Ah, Xhuxk, see that you got the mix CDs. What do you think of the Teddy Thompson? He's the Richard/Linda kiddie, right? He actually sounds straight-up classic country on this, delivering the very funny words straight, no mugging. Song - "Psycho" - is by Leon Payne, don't know if he did the original (a quick glance at Google finds a '68 version by Eddie Noack).)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 29 October 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)


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