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So I've been watching fragments of the Frontline series about two boys from the rural green and brown slum of eastern Kentucky. Can't watch it straight, don't need a rehash of what coal and farm town interior Pennsy used to be like.

Anyway, one of the fellows is going out with a girl and her pop is a local country artist. He's so sincere and earnest he instantly inspires nausea. The kid plays electric guitar and does freeform emo Xtian metal which I couldn't stand either but might be someone else's bag if he got on Myspace or something. Heck, maybe he is in on Myspace.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, Jana Peri catches FLIES with vinegar, not files. Though the latter would be a neat office trick. She also closes her album with something called "I Wanna Rock" where she says she doesn't understand reggae or gangsta rap or sundry other musics, but I forget why not.

I saw the first episode of "Country Boys.* Not sure if that one kid's student newspaper ever came out. Wonder how long it'll take for the other kid's goofy christ-metal song to inspire a wiseass cover of it.

elieen carey *hearts of time* on now. nashville-based, i think, but she put out the CD herself apparently. first two songs are pop-country backed by stones music, very mellencamp. and a couple of the slower songs that come later ("someone like you," "blue collar man" --nope, not a styx or BTO cover, but that's okay) are just as good.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

the blue collar man is "a joker and a smoker" and "a rambler and a gambler," which i guess means he likes steve miller AND bob seger. (also the song is very shania twain. he loves her like a handy man.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

also her song "lazy" has a light afro-caribeean percussion undertow, and it's about her cheese-hatted man being a lazy slob who leaves his beer bottles everywhere while eileen's stuck watching c-span. and that's followed by "good time charlie," another rocker (and no relation to the great danny o'keefe hit from the '70s where good time charlie has the blues). and the album ends with another shania-worthy track. the songs she gets partial writer's credit on, which is about half of the album, include most of the ones that i've mentioned, too -- including the three most rocking tracks and the latin-ish one.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

cottars *forerunner* = more fresh-faced good-looking kids (this time two boys and two girls, two brother and sister pairs i guess, all with "mac" at the beginning of their names, from the maritimes) playing reverent bluegrassy reels/hornpipes/polkas/jigs cape breton style i guess. possibly more energy than nickel creek, for sure less energy than the duhks. better when they keep mouths shut. i'll pass.

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, the real precedent for Jana Peri is probably, like, Genya Ravan or somebody. (Louise Goffin? Eve Moon? Some other dame signed to a major label who put out one album around 1980 then disappeared off the face of the earth?) Turns out that what she has against gangsta rap is the words about bitch slapping and how they're always bragging about their cars. Her more acapella complaints about "this reggae shit" ("I don't get what's up with it") and "white ??? noise" from "pretty boys" are harder to make out. She sings better with more music behind her, which might explain why her louder songs are best.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

This is to let you know that our very own Anthony Easton is managing Paraguay in the Poptomist World Cup.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

These threads tend to lose me sometimes, but I'm trying to keep up.
I got an MP3 player for Christmas and since I'm way lazy, I've barely uploaded anything to it, but last weekend I forced myself to at least put on the CD which was nearest my PC that I hadn't really given a listen to yet (though I've still got that Wanda Jackson disc from a few yrs ago still in the shrinkwrap somewhere in my cluttered office! FOR SHAME!).
So for the last few days I've been (out of inertia as much as interest) listening to
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000ASTEYU.02._OU02_PIuk-r-fp-799,BottomRight,10,10_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

It's a compilation from Loose Music a UK alt-country label that seems to lurve Canada, lots of covers, which gives the whole thing a nice sense of novelty. Track by track thoughts:

1. Roger Dean Young & The Tin Cup – Stettler - I'm a big RDY & TTP fan, so I was rilly excited to hear this, and it's okay, but it's just a noisy instro, and what I like most is RDY's voice & lyrics.
2. Old Reliable - No Unmaking - Very trad, very earnest.
3. Steve Ketchen & The Kensington Hillbillies - Straight To Hell - More trad, tradder than trad when the "How's about an English jig and reel" line hits.
4. Two Gallants - Nothing To You - Who are these guys? This is a great song, very raw and piercing, like old Mtn Gts. "I'm gay as a choirboy for you"
5. The Only Children - Sky Begins To Storm - Not sure which song this is.
6. Justin Rutledge & The Junction Forty - Too Sober To Sleep - Ryan Adams-ish lament-rock, sure to be a crowd pleaser, in as much as downer songs can be crowd pleasers (which is not too rare in alt-country).
7. Augie March - Little Wonder - Another song I'm not sure about.
8. By The Fireside - Battle Fields - Hey, wow. Is this a cover? It sounds like it might be a Wall-era Pink Floyd song, only with emotions and stuff. Fantastic dreamy soundscapery.
9. The Idaho Falls - Country Song - V. good song, gets to why people like music, but doesn't dwell on it.
10. Charlemagne - Angel Of The Morning - I love Charley Pride, and I love dreamy atmospherics in my alt-country, so this is a winner. Sounds like it was always supposed to be a psychedelic song.
11. Jim Bryson & Jim Cuddy - Somewhere Else - Best Jim Bryson I've heard in a long time, but maybe that's the Jim Cuddy part? Truth be told, I didn't even know Cuddy (Blue Rodeo) was on the track until I cut and pasted the tracklist from Amazon.
12. Langhorne Slim - Loretta Lee Jones - Dizzy rave-up, Modest Mousish/Buddy Holly bluegrass.
13. The Pink Mountaintops - Sweet ’69 - Not country, not even alt-country, Stooges fump-a-whomp. Good fun.
14. Ox – Surrender - Mmmmm, Ox is v. Oldhammish, and so this is Palace covering Cheap Trick. As it was always meant to be.
15. Megan Reilly - On A Plane - Decent.
16. Anders Parker - Feel The Same - Throaty, earnest. Skip forward.
17. Jason Molina - Division St. Girl - Even though Molina's getting to be a really good singer, and his voice is pretty interesting, it's not a very interesting song.
18. Elephant Micah - Dream Feedback - Dino Jr-ish feedback country that's v. pleasing in this song.
19. Blood Meridian - Soldiers Of Christ - I don't know about this one. A little too boiler-plate a/country.
20. The Parkas - Start Your Own Country - I like them Parkas, and this one of their best songs, even though there's nothing about picking fights, unless you count starting wars between nations, which they're only really talking about metaphorically anyway. Still, good metaphor, great harmonies.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Riverside, *Simple Life* ("formerly called 'Riverside Avenue', cdbaby says; I do believe that's an REO Speedwagon reference), four burly beer-bellied middle-aged guys from Missouri who look like roofers or plumbers, including one in an AC/DC shirt and one African American; mainly do a choogle that boogie-woogies at times but that'd kick more if actual money could be spent producing their album, but they also take stopoffs in Sabbath-via-Joan Jett metal ("I Got This Funny Feeling") and country-rocking ballads, way too often about playing rock'n'roll in the bar til dawn and trying not to get in a fight with the wife when they roll home at 5 a.m.; not sure if "Don't Know What To Say" is about finding Jesus or finding said wife, but either way, their lives got saved I guess. They may well have had more stamina when they were younger men, I'm not sure. Still, endearing, and I like how they go into multi-part harmonies when you don't expect it:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/riverside

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Also they do a sort of souped-up adult contemporary makeout soul ballad ("If I Ever Will") where they ponder telling you a story about their childhood but then never do. In general the vocals seem to lay back more than you'd expect in a rock band, but more in a countrypolitan way of laying back than an alt-country way, I'd say. And they end with a protest ballad about how bad the world is ("people gettin raped/people gettin killed/maybe just for fun," then stuff about sending kids overseas, maybe mine or yours, and politicians and judges are corrupt on both sides of the fence, and everybody's getting rich at everybody else's expense) that starts out sparkly like the mid '80s Police or something, and winds up going into an Asia-style pop-proggy little break toward the end and has a very catchy chorus about how they "don't wanna know". Interesting mix.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

By "Sabbath via Joan Jett metal" I mean that they're clearly trying to make the music apocalyptic a la Ozzy, but the riff reminds me more of "I Love Rock and Roll" than "Ironman." As opposed to the opening riff on the album, which reminds me of "Summer of 69" by Bryan Adams.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

(Or okay, maybe laid back vocals more in a SOFT ROCK way than a countrypolitan way. Actually, I love how they partly call themselves "soft rock" on their webpage. Not to mention "hard rock" too. And duh, to increase the stamina and kick quotients, all I had to do is turn the volume up. These old guys kick fine. Riff in "We've Been Rockin" comes from AC/DC's "It's a Long Way To the Top.")

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

And then the next song (chorus hook: "Marlon Brando, in a bar") is like great Brooks and Dunn! How many bar bands around the country are ACTUALLY mixing AC/DC and '80s pop-rock with country? Could be hundreds, or then again could be nobody else but these guys. Either way, they're doing something Nashville hasn't quite done. How cool.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

And the "souped-up adult contemporary makeout soul ballad" can also be heard as a "souped-up adult contemporary makeout grunge ballad." I have no idea which one they intended it as. (What's the missing link between soul and grunge? Hootie!! Maybe that answers the question.) It's also got a line where they consider being a "bad boy" to impress you. And "Headed On Down the Line" is another expert Brooks and Dunn imitation, and the people who killed in "The System" get killed "for thrills," not "for fun" (in case you're still awake after all this.)

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Back to Povertyneck Hillbillies, they stomp more than I suggested above. "The Hillbilly Way" is total I'm a redneck badass and if you don't like it fuck you Monkey Gentry assholery; "Jericho" is a dark seething MG-style ballad about a bar knife fight resulting in the gallow's pole. And "She Rides Wild Horses" soars like Pegasus(at least I assume Pegasus soared; I never actually saw him do so myself.)

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Jana Peri/Genya Ravan: now that might be good. I was already thinking that some reviewers seemed to have Genya (and a lot of other broadskis post Janis) in mind when they put Shelly Fairchild down. But I thought Genya was better than Lydia Pense etc, at least on that album with the Lou Reed duet. In the 60s,She had a rock club band, Goldie & The Gingerbreads; they opened for the Stones, early on, and got quoted in Scaduto's Mick Jagger:Everybody's Lucifer. (Derek or others looking for a book to deal, please try to get her to do an autobio, unless she's already done it?) xpost Huk's UK alt-country: some intriguing descriptions, and anybody heard Ronnie Lane's Slim Chance? I haven't; read that they did good English country (not nec country rock), and liked Ronnie's songs with the Faces. xhuxx you were trying to remember Andy Fairweather Low's sound: he came out of and fit with the mod-soul-folk-rock side of Small Faces (his own teengroup was Amen Corner),and did at least one mod-soul-country/pub rock singalong, "My Bucket's Got A Hole In It." Which somehow fit with the folk-rock-discoid approach of most of the rest of La Booga Rooga, one of my most played albums of the 70s.

don, Saturday, 14 January 2006 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm listening again to Little Big Town, and I don't know why I didn't notice right off that the harmonies are like Fleetwood Mac's. Now that the Fleetwood Maccianism is obvious - thanks to Chuck's pointing it out on last year's thread - I still can't say what it is about the harmonies that makes them sound more like Fleetwood Mac's than, for instance, the Eagles'. In particular, since I'm not good at identifying intervals (can sometimes do it by ear when notes are sung in succession, but rarely when they're sung in harmony), I don't know if it's the intervals themselves, and if so, what it is about the intervals, or if it's the timbre of the singing and the fact that two of the singers are women.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My promo copy of The Road to Here has no album credits, so I don't know what name to affix to what sound: they have four singers, two women and two men. They're all pretty good, though none can command our attention like a Stevie Nicks. There's a guy I call "the Slush Guy," who sings lead on the one track I hate, "Bring It On Home" (I don't much like "Fine with Me" or "Stay," either, and I'm so-so on "Lost," the last of which also features Slush Guy), but I'm sure he's contributing hot vocals to some of the nonslush. Billboard lists songwriters: Eight of the thirteen songs are credited to all four bandmates plus Wayne Kirkpatrick (who co-produced most or all of this), another is by the four bandmates and Jason Deere (whose credits are all over a lot of country albums), Kirkpatrick and Jim Collins wrote "Welcome to the Family," which is a not-bad goof on the idea of Our Family Will Kill You If You Mistreat Our Sister, Since Our Relatives Control The Town (redneck version rather than Mafia), Kirkpatrick and Julian Bunetta wrote a pretty good busted-romance banjo-rocker "Looking for a Reason," and - I'm pleased to say - Kirkpatrick, Greg Bieck, and Taylor Hayes Bieck, but no one in the group, wrote that dumb-slusher "Bring It On Home" ("When the morning comes I'm still going to be right here"; yeah, well, I'll bet al-Qaida can say the same thing).

I suck at predicting things such as commercial viability (so is Sony-Monument, apparently, who dropped these people several years ago and now gets to watch as the indie Equity label harvests the lettuce), but my guess is that if (1) "Mean Streak" is chosen as a single, and (2) some adult contemporary or hot AC station takes a chance on it, these guys go platinum or double and their music becomes ubiquitous.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

So far I've been taking swipes at the lyrics, calling them evasive, clichéd, slushy, and dishonest ("Boondocks"), but I'm discovering that usually I like them, or at least I like a frequent comic device - well, I think it's intended to be comic, and it's certainly fun - where a song will pile metaphor on metaphor, each one bordering on being strained in itself but in proximity with the others feels playful. "You plowed me like a tractor." I also like how the "I'm good" in "Good as Gone" has two meanings: I'm a good one, baby, and don't you forget it, and I'm (as) good as gone.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

-- communication from David Scott, all-purpose superfan, yesterday: I intend to burn/make a Sammi Smith compilation for you and Yuval, called The Saddest Girl in the Whole U.S.A., this weekend. Oxford American called her album He's Everywhere the Dusty in Memphis of boozy countrypolitan** and for once the DIM hyperbole is deserved. Flesh that album out with assorted tracks from a couple of years in either direction from He's Everywhere and you'll have quite a collection, including two of the best D-I-V-O-R-C-E songs evah, an unheralded masterpiece from the point of view of a room (!) that debunks the existence of God, and "He's Everywhere," which is the scariest (read: most realistic) paranoia song I've heard.
* Countrypolitan is making a huge comeback on the L.A. hipster scene right now, so getcher Ray Price & Patsy Cline rekkids on eBay and make a killing!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

And did I not invoke this swing away from denim atmospheres and New Earthy and other overworked country-as- overworked-70s/80s rock, with my revulsion vs. LBT's corral chorale on the 2005 Thread? Time for old and new politan, yall. But who knows, if I heard their album--I also bitterly denounced B&R's second album on that same Thread, and then it ended up in my Top Ten. At the bottom, but entrenched. The opening tracks still sound like lazyass shit, but now even the(redundant after KK's spoken intro says it all) Vietnam pageant's got me: sounds like a lost patrol of Cival War re-enactors, and Confederates On The Roof always was one of my favorite books, so.

don, Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

new Candi Staton album "His Hands" cut in Nashville with Bare producer Mark Nevers, just listening to advance this Sunday morning. very competent, somewhat unadventurous country-soul with plenty o' 6/8 balladry, doesn't so far pack much sonic kick, though. some Nashville songwriting represented: Dan Tyler's "When Will I?" haven't got the exact release date in the US; think it's coming out on Honest Jons Records (London-based) in UK. trying to find out more about this, probably going to talk to Nevers and I hope Candi herself as I gear up to write about it.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i have the rolling 200x country threads to thank for my favorite album of the past five years. but the problem with reading a thread populated almost entirely by critics getting promos is the impossibility of mere mortals to keep up, let alone hear 85% of what's being discussed... i'd love to try, but i think i'd end up many hundreds of dollars in the hole.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel your pain, my name is john. One thing that's helped me is the CMT website's "Listening Parties." (Go to their site, click "Music," then "Listening Parties.") They allow you to stream a handful of new releases in their entirety, and at a decent bit rate. Most of the new mainstream country that gets discussed on this thread winds up there at some point or another.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post Don't despair, John. I can't keep up either. What have you heard so far this year that you like (even if it was released last year)? I still can't stop playing the Jessi Colter, which I thought was coming out this month, but Amazon has it listed end of Feb.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 15 January 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been a bit slow off the ball this year, so not much has hit me thus far, but there's a bunch of stuff upthread that intrigues me. i suppose i need to do some searches and such. i will check out the listening parties thing on cmt. thanks for the tip!

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 15 January 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

multiple xps:

An indie hipster countrypolitan (between inverted commas no doubt) revival, if that's what Edd's post about L.A. is predicting above, sounds like potentially the most annoying thing since the indie hipster Esquivel revival of the mid '90s, but I will keep my ears open and try my damnedest to stay awake, I promise. I guess the indie hipsters like how unmacho and emo countrypolitan is? And I guess some people liked that album last year by Bonnie Prince Billy or whatever his name is. And didn't Ween make a "countypolitan" album once? God I hate that kinda shtick. Don't hate countrypolitan, but there are many things I like more, I gotta say. Still, definitely a subject for future research. Been listening to this new Time Life compilation CD *Classic Country: Sweet Country Ballads,* and it seems like a nice little overview of the subgenre; I already knew and liked the Eddy Arnold, Ray Price, Charlie Rich, Glen Campbell, Bobby Bare, Don Gibson, Skeeter Davis, and Bobby Goldsboro tracks (make the world go away for the good times behind closed doors by the time i get to phoenix detroit city i can't stop loving you the end of the world honey), but for a bunch of those artists it's the only song I know by them, and the only one of them I've ever investigated in detail is Glen Campbell, who had tons of hits I love. I used to own a couple Charlie Rich LPs; stupid of me to get rid of them. Never have connected with Charlie Pride, whose "I Can't Believe You Stopped Loving Me" is on here; probably my loss. Bobby Goldsboro had better hits than "Honey" (i.e., "The Straight Life," hey what I can say, I like crackers and beer) but I had no idea he was ever considered country, if he in fact ever was. Favorite track I don't recall hearing before so far: "Abeline" by George Hamilton IV. Didn't know he was country, either. Dates range from 1958 to 1970; when did "countrypolitan" (the sound and/or word, which Time Life doesn't use in its title by the way) actually start?

Either way, I'm afraid right now I'd rather listen to the the Little Big Town album, which is more pop than earthy no matter what Don thinks. Sounds better every time I listen; if I did my Nasvhille Scene list over again, I'd definitely list it a few slots higher than #10; possibly even as high as #3. Anyway, Frank: Song credits in the CD sleeve (with copyrights ranging from 2002 for "Stay" -- wait, is that cover? authors don't seem to be people in the band -- to 2005 for most of the rest) don't seem to list lead singers, for some reason; just (session, I assume?) musicians. (Also, Frank, you seemed to say above that they'd been dropped from Sony; was there an earlier album? Or did Sony never put one out?) The slush guy singing in both "Bring it On Home" and "Stay" DOES sound more Eagles than Fleetwood Mac to me --actually, he sounds a lot like Don Henley, and yeah, these are definitely a couple of the lesser tracks, as is "Fine With Me", the melody of which starts out reminding me of some Lionel Richie countryish song (ie "Stuck on You" or "Sail On" or maybe "Easy" I guess) then turns into something else obvious I can't out my finger on. The tracks emphasizing girl voices are definitely better than the tracks without them. But it's not just the harmonies that remind me of Fleetwood Mac - it's also some of the melodies, and I swear there's Lindsey Buckinghamness in some of the guitar parts. One day maybe I'll sit down and take notes and pinpoint where. (Also, it turns out the one line in "Mean Streak" - still my favorite track - I coudn't pinpoint on the '05 thread is "like a frat boy at Hell Week." I can definitely see these people appealing to a frat/jam audience, if such a crowd heard them; they're for sure more rock than Nickel Creek, who I get the idea said crowd already likes.) (Though they're not as earthy as NC, Don! And maybe that would bug the fratters?)

Finally, Povertyneck Hillbillies again: They sent a DVD as well as their CD, and it's quite entertaining, especially the documentary about them coming together in Western Pennsy and winding up with the biggest song on Pittsburgh's "Froggy" commercial country station a summer or two ago off a self-released CD they sold from the back of their tour bus; supposedly, in Pittsburgh, according to a radio station guy on the DVD, they're as big as Montgomery Gentry or Alan Jackson or Kenny Chesney, and the live shows on the DVD seemed to kinda confirm that, though sometimes it was hard to tell to what extent this was staged. I prefer to think of them as a musical equivalent of minor league baseball, which is a pretty cool idea when you think about it. Said local hit is the superdupercatchy love-the-one-you're-with/you're-all-I've-got-tonight "Mr. Right Now" (as in I may not be Mr. Right but I'm Mr. Right Now), and it's more loveable on the DVD than on the CD, as is "Hillbilly State of Mind," since that one shows just about everybody in the audience (including all the pretty girls and a couple less pretty ones who were apparently all urged to stand in the front row during filming plus two little girls in cowboy hats the band brings on stage) doing this completely silly hand-jive dance where they make deer antlers with their hands and show the corn growing up and pump their fists in the air and stuff. DVD has a couple songs that aren't on the CD as well, and the concert on it ends with a nice healthy guitar solo at the end of "Any Road." Singer wears a snazzy black cowboy shirt with a crucifix-shaped cross on either side of its chest, but there's no other Christian imagery I notice. A whole lot of off-roading, fishing, and clay pigeon shooting, though.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

(Rereading my LBT post, on second thought, I don't wanna belabor their lack of earthiness; I mean, I guess they're earthy if you want them to be. Their sound has just never hit me that way. They hit me as California, if anything! But yeah, you don't end your Boondocks song chanting about crawdad holes without the earth in mind, to at least a certain extent. Among the liner note thank yous to bassist/producer Wayne Kirkpatrick: "chicken wings, Monday night football in the hot tub, tailgating, the philosophical debates over crawfish or crawdads." Also, they thank "Clint Black and the entire Equity staff"; does he run the label?)

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And oops, I was wrong, "Stay" DOES have all the band members in its author credits; not sure what I was looking at. Copyright is 2002, though; makes me wonder if's a leftover from some earlier (Sony?) era or the band, or what. Or maybe I'm just totally confused.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

when did "countrypolitan" (the sound and/or word, which Time Life doesn't use in its title by the way) actually start?

I was wondering the same thing this weekend. David Cantwell, who is working on a book about the Nashville Sound (tentatively called Make the World Go Away), isn't sure either, but the term probably dates from the '50s, though it's since been used mostly for the '70s, which is kinda interesting. I'm guessing Billboard put it into circulation but can't find a ref.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

"Fuck It Up (Acoustic)," third track on the new Towers of London EP, is twangy the way a track or two on last year's comparably punky Sex Slaves album was twangy. Punk as Tom Keifer hair-metal ballad. (Also, its lyrics quote "Creep," the best song Radiohead ever did.)

Playing new Shooter Jennings album, *Electric Rodeo* now. Sounds great, though sometimes he still sings like Kid Rock. Doubt there's a song I'll love as much as "4th of July," but overall, I'm thinking right away that it's the way more consistent album of the two. The title/opening track and "Bad Magick" are as heavy metal as anything on the debut. Also like the (non Nazareth) hangover head-holder "Hair of the Dog," the cocaine lament "Little White Lines" (where you hear Shooter sniff in the middle and a cop stops him and he seems to refuse a breathalizer then the cop asks him the shave something but he never says what), "Alligator Chomp (The Ballad of Martin Luther Frog Jr") (total Jerry Reed "Amos Moses" swamp-funk rap-neck racial allegory); and at least the hoedown choo-choo chug opening of "Manifesto No. 2" (where he also catches his woman with another man so he shoots her with a shotgun) and the country jazz conclusion of "(The) Living Proof" (dumb question, but is that his daddy's song? Seems familiar, but I'm no Waylon expert.) Also, plenty of winding-road Allmans boogie, and a few goofy lines in "Aviators" (one of a couple Kid-Rock style clumsy ballads) where he takes a date to waffle house and he shoots her dog and slashes her dad's tires but she just don't understand his strange kind of wit.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

> Tom Keifer hair-metal ballad<

Tom Keifer hair-metal CMT ballad I mean (hence its inclusion on this thread.)

Related question: Did Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive" sound at all country or southern rock in 1988? If so, I sure never noticed. But Shooter seems to swipe its riff in one of the Allmansy tracks on the new album, and a couple country acts (Montgomery Gentry and Chris Cagle) have covered it. So is it possible that it always sounded Southern rock, and nobody noticed at the time? Or did the cowboy on steel horse and stuff just inspire country people to reinvent it, the way, say, early '80s punks claimed and reinvented "Time Has Come Today" by the Chambers Brothers, and mid '60s punks claimed and reinvented "Louie Louie" and "Hey Joe"? Either way, it's a clear influence on the modern CMT sound.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Jovi-ripping (more the melody than the riff, actually) new Shootertoon is "Gone to Carolina," and despite my Allmans comparison, I wouldn't say it really jams very much. And as with most of his slow ones, on the new album and the debut too, his voice may just be too...stiff? rigid? wooden? what?...to pull it off. Another thing he inherited from his daddy, maybe, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I doubt Waylon ever rocked as hard as Shooter does. Also Waylon never had a great Lil Wayne song named after him, as far as I know.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't say that anything has captured the playful essence at the heart of country music better than "Catchy" by Pizzicato Five.

Dan (The Real Cowboys) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt Waylon ever rocked as hard as Shooter does.

ah, the old "what does 'rocking' mean" debate again. shooter definitely has louder guitars, but if we're talking about sheer momentum and/or fuck-the-world attitude this might be an interesting debate.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck-the-world I wouldn't be surprised (Shooter's actually a really celebratory guy, despite all his supposed shooting and snorting), but most Waylon I've heard has seemed pretty darn draggy; where do I go to find momentum from him? Shooter's rocking comes from his rhythm section as much as his guitars. Again, not arguing (as I said, I'm no expert on the guy), just skeptical. (An even better question though: which one had the worst voice?)

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Only Waylon Jennings albums now in my possession, for whatever it's worth (I've listened to others, none of which made the this-is-something-I-want-to-keep cut): *Honky Tonk Heroes* on vinyl (which I like a lot, but it's as much a Billy Joe Shaver album as a Waylon one); a 12-song CD best-of *Platinum and Gold Collection* (several of which 12 songs really stink, and outside of a couple cuts I probably keep it out of obligation more than anything else). Forced to choose, I'd easily take the two Shooter CDs I own over these two.

xhuxk, Monday, 16 January 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Waylon Jennings Live is a really great album. Also, I'm partial to Ol' Waylon. But yeah, he was more about country-rock than rock-country like his kid, which is probably the difference between their influences: Willie potsmoke and Axl brownstone.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 16 January 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the end of the world

The first pop song I ever loved. 1963. Gorgeous. Sad. Cited birds. They were singing. But they shouldn't have been.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Waylon rock: "Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?"; first cut on Dreaming My Dreams, and it's a harder stomp even than Miranda's "Kerosene," though slower and more brutal.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Waylon Live album Matt mentioned rocks and swings and the crowd sounds crazier than Folsom. "Bob Wills Is Still the King" is classic. I think it got reissued a couple years back.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

At Amoeba Music in Hollywood, they have Laura Cantrell in the folk section. This is wrong.

youn, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Not sure I agree with that.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

As in, not sure I agree it's wrong. Last time I listened to her, I may well have filed her as folk rather than country, too. But I have to admit I haven't listened to her all *that* much.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

AGREE WITH ME, XHUXK! (Listen to her first album please.)

youn, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

xxposttt (puff, puff, I 'll never catch up) xxhuxx, yes, an indie countrypolitan "revival" could be nauseating, esp since you gotta have a budget, for good studio, good arrangements, conductor (or at least good first chair), good players. Oh yeah, and a real good foreground, the singer if not the song. But there have been some shrewdly small-scale, appopriately intimate coups already. My fave is Kelly Hogan and Mike Ireland doing (really doing) Stephen Merrit's "Papa Was A Rodeo." Happy Hour didn't start til they walked in and found each other. Seems like the template (from before the term?) was Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western. (But maybe it went as far back as, say, Tony Bennett's hit covers of Hank Williams songs, in Hank's own lifetime? Patti Page's accent? But those were Adult Pop,Frank escorting the nicely-dressed troops past dose juvies at da gates: what we might think of as proto-Easy Listening.I think Ray might've been the first to gather the choirs and the strings 'round that piano, that voice, that kind of unmistakeably downhome foreground, in segregated times, too). I don't remember hearing the term til the early 70s. But obviously, Chet Atkins had something like that in mind round Modern Sounds time, bragging to an interviewer about how he exposed the Pat Boone fans to Bo Diddley, via the Everlys' "Bye Bye Love" and "Wake Up Little Susie"(they don't sound like Bo Diddley to me, but it's an interesting alibi, from a guy who some critics hated for his slickness(I have no opinion, although I likes me some Everlys). Surely, the Charlie Rich sides that were reissued as Fully Realized after Guralnick revived interest in his prime, might be too intense to be countrypolitan, but drew from it (and from Phil Spector, or mebbe vice versa, re Righteous Bros.), and I guess were a template for Elvis' late 60s orchestral hits. (Good countrypolitan artyfacts on 2004 Thread too)

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

And I'm not objecting to earthy, I'm referring back to the New Earthy trend, which by 05 could include Jason Aldean, Dukes Of Biohazard, and a whole lot of other folks,many of whom I like, but it was getting overworked (especially the 70s Southern Rock x West Coast Denim Pop Rock references) and that Little Bog Town single just seemed like the last straw: all the self-congratulatory, nay, defiant! downhomieness (guess they're too young to have heard "we say grace, we say ma'am, if you don't like that, we don't give a damn" or ten million other examples)(or maybe they're not country enough too know how "country" they are). And the dramatic vocals just made it worse. But! I've only heard that one song. And who knows, if Tough All Over could show me how to love that damn Vertical Horizon cover, then anything's possible.

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Tom Keifer hair-metal:Oh yeah, the USA Network's concert version of the ZZ Top trib (the one I reviewed in Voice) had a rave-up with Tom Keifer, the finale, I think. Prob around on Web, if not on legit DVD. xxhuxx, wasn't Bon Jovi'e "Wanted Dead Or Alive" from a Western Jon was in, Young Guns (AKA Young Buns in my middle school)?

don, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah, wasn't that "Blaze of Glory" or something? Which was Jon Bon Jovi solo, I think (I actually reviewed that album for the Voice and talked about Catholic rock!), unlike "Wanted Dead or Alive," which was with his band on *Slippery When Wet,* same album as "Livin on a Prayer" and "You Give Love a Bad Name", both of which I still prefer.

My favorite song so far in 2006 is "Hair of the Dog" by Shooter Jennings, about him waking up after drinking too much alchohol. My second favorite song on his new album so far is "Little White Lines," which is about him waking up after snorting too much cocaine (and what the cop asks him to shave is his face, apparently), and which has a pretty darn heavy riff, it turns out - definitely seems to rock harder than "Bad Magick," which needs more tune to go with its heaviosity; may well rock harder than the title track as well. Some of the tracks go into totally blatant funk breaks in the middle, too. Definitely a hard rocking Southern boogie album, and a real good one.

Finally kinda made peace with Bobby Bare's *The Moon Was Blue* this morning; after months, I've decided I'll keep the dang thing, though I still find some parts (e.g., "Are You Sincere" where I'm still not sure that "Bobby Bobby Bobby" is what those canned backup singers are chanting and the production of which sounds all scuzzy for no reason I can fathom, the Stereolab-produce-Langley Schools junk of "Fellow Travelers") unbearably kitschy. The cover songs are almost all better than the non-covers. Didn't notice til now that "Shine On Harvest Moon" is basically Western Swing. And "Am I That Easy to Forget" has incidental sounds as weird the ones in "Everybody's Talkin'" (which is a great track), or pretty close to it. And yeah, Bobby may well sing "Ballad of Lucy Jordan" better than Marianne Faithful did.

I talked about James McMurtry's 2005 album, which I guess I'll also keep with reservations, on that No Depression thread. Just wannna add here that, when Joe Ely's voice replaces McMurtry's fairly deadassed one in "Slew Foot," the thing somehow sounds way more alive all of a sudden. Go figure. (I hadn't even noticed on the album cover he was on there, then I heard him, and thought "holy shit, that's Joe Ely.")

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, it's possible that, if I heard McMurtry's "Memorial Day" on a car radio ON Memorial Day, I'd love it. I'm sappy like that sometimes.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link


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