My son and I were just on vacation in California and stayed with relatives in nearby Hermosa Beach. Driving the rent-a-car around there I occasionally thought about how my mental images of the area from seeing SST and New Alliance bands back in the '80s in DC did not match up with what the area actually looks like (now and then). I also somehow thought way back when that it was even farther from downtown LA than it is.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i mean, someone listening to a lot of those bands would get a weird image of the place. like a lot of black flag is so intense/claustraphobic but then you think -- these guys could walk down to the beach after band practice and chill out.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
(and yeah, the south bay of the 70s was waaaaay different than it is now. it's gotten mega glitzy, nary a trace of the old bohemian kinda thing ... i barely recognize it myself)
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link
dunno, from what i've read about them, they were pretty non-careerist overall. probably could've courted more mainstreamy success, but just didn't choose to.and the manhattan beach area is pretty radically different from san pedro -- the latter's a lot more blue collar. MB in the 70s-early 80s would've been a sleepy, kinda hippie beach town.
― tylerw, Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:54 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
huh, yeah, at the time (late eighties) san pedro seemed like this particularly industrial outpost, like the best part of bay to get cancer from. and so i think my dad was perplexed by why i would fixate on there instead of la guns era hollywood blvd or whatever
i dunno, i kind of think that bill stevenson would have been more than cool w/mainstream success but maybe just made a series of bizarre career decisions?
regardless, la is so great, sheesh. it was great back when i would have wanted every guy to be improbable combination of lance mountain and karate kid-era ralph maccio, and every girl to be belinda carlisle. it's slightly better now, though.
― dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
tylerw, you need to rescreen dogtown and z-boys, la beaches other than malibu do not have a long idyllic history.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i don't know -- santa monica/venice might've been scuzztown, but beaches a little further south have always been fairly laid back spots. in my experience.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
sure around the strand yeah, but that locale/scene was oft-targeted by the SST heavies.
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, probably! it's a little bit before my time, so most of what i know about it is reading about it, or talking to older guys about it.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i mean, someone listening to a lot of those bands would get a weird image of the place. like a lot of black flag is so intense/claustrophobic but then you think -- these guys could walk down to the beach after band practice and chill out.
yeah, i tried to ask joe carducci at book talk why there were all these angsty hardcore bands coming out of supposedly idyllic l.a. of the time. i think he gave me a well-reasoned response based on "i was there", suburbia, ugh, etc., that was hard to argue with. but that geographical dynamic does seem funny sometimes. like, it's much easier to imagine super-angry hardcore bands coming out of eighties lower east side nyc or landlocked midwest chicago or detroit or something.
― dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
"supposedly idyllic l.a. of "
ugh, begin by replacing "supposedly" with "presumably"?
i can't think nor write these days. early-onset alzheimer's
― dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
"what is there to have stopped descendents from achieving mtv-ish 120 minutes-fame at the time,""isn't milo goes to college pretty much equivalent to singles going steady in terms of songcraft??"
descendents and buzzcocks are neck & neck peers if you go by inclusion on tony hawk video game soundtracks
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
"went to the no-nukes rally, the don quixotes made me feel silly!"
― dell (del), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
London Shepherd's Bush Empire, Apr 25 - just booked tickets. BIG
― Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Ooh!
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Hope this actually happens, just found out DRI cancelled.
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't even know they were coming over! Descendents are in Europe for some kiddy punk festival full of iirc mostly terrible bands
― Different Geir, Still SBing (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 December 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Any news of other dates in the UK or Ireland?
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Friday, 17 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.filmagemovie.com/Filmage.html
― MaresNest, Sunday, 9 June 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago) link
It doesn't matter - you all suck.Don't give a shit about punk rock!
― how's life, Thursday, 26 September 2013 02:17 (ten years ago) link
the rerun of the London show noted above (that happened cos Milo blew out his voice during the first one) was the funnest of times
― Lee Ranaldo's Putting Challenge (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 September 2013 09:08 (ten years ago) link
Used to fuck with this song so hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAM17lLtKk
― how's life, Thursday, 3 October 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link
new album is pretty good! very milo to right a 1 minute hardcore rant about how he has to watch his cholesterol now and can't eat fast food burgers
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 July 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
Ha, that sounds great
― curmudgeon, Monday, 1 August 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link
lol the song "No Fat Burger" basically describes where my life is headed (except fortunately nobody in my fam has heart issues)
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
this is a good album but it sounds like someone on the label sent the Saint Vitus producer to the Descendents booth by mistake
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:56 (six years ago) link
Seein em right now for first time
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 April 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
Hahah whoops
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link
1981 or so: "Hey do you ever think a T-shirt with our logo and main visual image will appear worldwide on a US government hearing about trying to overturn an election and have a lot of people wondering what the hell." "Hmm, nah."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link
Hahaha for those who can’t parse that the proud boy face tattoo guy about to testify before the 1/6 committee is wearing a Descendants T-shirt Another vote in favor of me never liking this band 🙃
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
Oath Keeper rather than Proud Boy but it is just a distinction of which stupid asshole you follow.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
Friend on FB: "He wants to be stereotyped. He wants to be classified."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 18:36 (two years ago) link
An unsurprising update.
We completely disavow groups like the Oath Keepers and in no way condone their hateful ideology.— DESCENDENTS (@descendents) July 12, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
Descendents definitely had some problematic elements in their lyrics on Milo goes to college, though more of the typical "high school kid misogyny" type. nothing like THIS.
ultimately though, they weren't political, they sang about girls and poop and Oath Keepers like girls and poop
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:40 (two years ago) link
It always starts with misogyny and juvenile humor
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link
All I know is the drive-thru song from "Pump Up the Volume," which is like the punk version of, I dunno, Napalm Death's "You Suffer."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:44 (two years ago) link
xpost Yeah, like the "OK" sign or all the alt-right memes. "We're just joking!"
I never really gave a shit about the Descendents one way or the other, but I'm familiar enough with their discography to believe that it's a miiiiiiiighty big stretch to draw a straight line from them to the Oath Keepers.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:47 (two years ago) link
"relax it's just a joke"
"get a sense of humor, it's a joke"
"you're misinterpreting me"
"i was exaggerating for effect"
"hang mike pence"
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link
of course it's a big stretch -- how it starts isn't how it always inevitably ends
no, no, you have to understand, it's ironic hyperbole, like when morrissey sings "hang the DJ," nobody says *he's* racist
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link
SST had better strike while the iron is hot and whip up some more MILO vinyls
― beamish13, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link
"Hope" is like a proto-incel anthem for better or worse
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:34 (two years ago) link
Someone who wants to destroy the capitol being into a loud punk band with many irony-drenched songs about not fitting is not the craziest thing I’ve ever heard
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link
*not fitting in, that is
Otm about Hope.
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 July 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Jamie Raskin promoted a Mission of Burma show on Harvard campus my freshman year, 1981. It’s possible these are the only two in the room who know the Descendants pic.twitter.com/1ER33ZUz12— Damon K (@dada_drummer) July 12, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link
Maybe not a straight line but the Descendants/ALL have always reflected a "both sides are equally bad!" plus "we aren't really homophobes it is just a joke!" plus Milo's aggrieved nice guy who can't get laid schtick plus being firmly in the SST libertarian wing that I can't really say I am surprised, they are touchstones of male suburban nerd ennui for a reason
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 13:52 (two years ago) link
that describes their 80s output, but nothing since
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 13:53 (two years ago) link
they removed several songs from their setlists nowadays due to some of the problematic stuff, namely "I'm not a Loser" and "Pervert".
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
when I was Milo's age on Milo Goes to College, I was still a Fundamentalist, pro-life, anti-Affirmative Action incel.
― We were clothed, except for Caan, who was naked. Don't know why. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 13:58 (two years ago) link