Rolling Country 2006 Thread

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bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno.

ha, basically who it totally sounds like (except with a girl singing) is Rednex! (Was their "Cotton Eyed Joe" a two-step hit in the U.S., or only a techno dance hit in Europe? Now I need to know.)

Now Bomshel's totally unnecessary but perfectly entertaining "Devil Went Down to Georgia" cover is making me wonder about apparent non-sequiturs I never gave a moment's worth of thought to before:

"The devil's in the house of the rising sun": I'm assuming this means the whorehouse itself, and is hence a moral warning? Except the house is in New Orleans, and he's in Georgia. Dude gets around!

"Chicken's in the bed pan, pickin' out dough." Or at least that's what it sounds like. I guess it would make perfect sense if you work in a bakery. But what does it have to do with the rest of the song? Was Charlie appropriating an ancient square dance call, or what?

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

yep, ive heard the call on a couple of sqaure dance records i own, but i dont remember what its called, i will look it up in a second

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony, the Julie Roberts abomination (which should be the name of her band) is on its way. Nick Tosches' book Country: America's Biggest Music names the Hawaiian guy who's been credited with inventing "Hawaiian" guitar, and that book's usually accurate, but Nick adds, It's hard to believe he's the first one who thought of doing that to a guitar," and indeed, reading elsewhere about the history of dobros, use of bottles, knives and steel slides, all the way back to accounts of slaves stringing bailing wire along the sides of barns, and sliding rakes,etc back and forth, part of the appeal in the South might have been that Hawaiian and "Hawaiian" music basically sounded familiar, but also in a quaint new seeting (especially good for those of my own Appalachian ancestors who weren't too fond of black people, but liked some of their music). (While it's true that mah 'billies resisted being dragged into the Civil War, some also blamed the slaves for not conveniently rising up and slaughtering the planter class, nipping the war in the bud.(Thus the Klan was founded in the foothills, not the Black Belt, the cotton country, but that's where it really caught on, in a more lingering way. Alabama's own Nelstone's Hawaiians appear on Harry Smith's Smithsonian Anthology, which I don't have time to unearth rat now, but might tell more about it, and Nick's book and that xpost comp xhuxx cites. Yeah, in the record stores, I sold a lot of soul and country to the same people (white and black), and of course Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western was suffused in soul, duh, despite being a landmark of proto-countrypolitan (or the Nashville Sound, since I never heard the word "countrypolitan" til early 70s). And Elvis and Tony Joe White, xpost Rev. Hoodoo's and my exchange above, certainly did a lot that way, and the white bluecoller r&b connection was prob a big part of Springsteen's appeal in country (Gary Stewart was hyped as "the Springsteen of country" ca. '75, if not '74)Aretha and Al Green were doing really good country covers by the mid-70s, at least. (And we were talking about Stoney Edwards upthread, or was it last year's? Been a long year...) Anthony, Mandrell went full-steam for several years, and then had a really, really bad carwreck, dunno what else happened to her. I'll have to check that tribute, and Bomshel too. FarmAid's live on the web today,and you can link from their site: http://www.farmaid.org

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

i knew about the car wreck, i didnt know how bad it was, thanks for all the info don, i knew kind of bout what tosches wrote, but he seems to over simplify things

i still owe you jason mccoy (and edd, and someone else) aargh busy

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

chicken's in the BREAD pan not bed pan (which somebody is pooing clouds in instead.) speaking of country chicken, frank just emailed me this link. he says he prefers the song to (my single of the year) "chicken noodle soup." i don't, but i do like this regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM

it occurs to me that bombsel MIGHT be attempting a female version of big n rich's dual-harmony disco-country concept, in a way. their harmonies, if in fact they exist, are pretty close though. unless it's just one of the bombshell multi-tracked, i'm not sure yet.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

and ms. peachez reminds me: didn't sylvester have some countrified moments on his early blue thumb LPs with the hot band or whatever they were called? sadly, i no longer own them to check. (also, early chicago house music had certain country aspects as well, in its boogie woogie piano, etc. There was even an artist called Farm Boy!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

i gave that to frank, in a link, while figuring out minstelry, he told me not to be silly...im not sure i like it, but then i hate fun, so its all sorted

looking thru my sqaure dance books, i found something called the chicken reel but nothing with the line, chicken in the bread pan, picking up dough

http://www.ceder.net/choreo/patter_sayings.php4 but this song claims the two lines are:

Chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough
Big pig rootin' up the little tater now.

Chicken in the bread pan scratching out gravel,
get your maid & away you travel.

so i was right, but i dont have the dance patterns

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=4869

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of morons on that link:

"Country music definitely re-enforces redneck sister-fucking, whiskey-drinking, big-truck, cowboy retard stereotype as much as Yin Yang twins promote chicken-lovin, monkey-actin, small brained jigs. "

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of people who flunked Geography class too (unless they all live where Anthony does, which makes the entire lower 48 "the south.")

This guy seems pretty smart, though:

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Divide and conquer is what is abound. Folk on here talking about racial stereotypes, while using slurrs thats really proactive. The negative context of minstrel shows came from whites applying blackface and exploiting and using thier act to copy or ridicule blacks with talent. This was a case of wanting to enjoy black entertainment, as long as there were not any real blacks around. You can see later how these black influences later appeared in their dances, music and speech.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
A minstrel is a poor entertainer who performs for income, the musician, dancer, mime, poet or singer with a cup on the street could be considered a minstrel. I really find it ignorant for some to base the culture and intelligence of a whole group, based on the actions of a few entertainers, whom acting a fool for comedic value in an apparently on purpose manner. They are making a choice on how to express themselves through their medium. Do you think these people function in this manner all during their daily functions? If you do, who is really an ignorant fool.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Dont you find it odd, that the black people in region of this country that has taken the biggest and most severe forms of racism is accused of perpetuating racial stereotypes? Do you not think we have a firm grasp on what is truly harmful to not just us, but all people of color in this country?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Now its north vs south, with the north being most critical of music that if you used an unbiased analytical ear you will hear similar influences universally. Why must the aspiring efforts of others be ostrasiced because of your particular taste? Its one thing to be critical, but being contemptuous toward your own is new improved bigotry. Fact is, we are free people, we can dance, talk, eat and express ourselves without fear or worry of what others think, is this not America?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Finally, with all this talk about a drag queen cooking chicken, a teenager bragging about a chain and children making up a funny named dance, where is the criticism of the murder, drug dealing, drug using, violence and irresponsibility that has been present in the hip hop music of all regions for over two decades? I sense their are hypocrites with an agenda pushing this southern hate. They dont have to like our music, its enough of us that buy it, but this character assassination of general southern is a problem and can become a problem to northern people who visit and live here in the south, who wants to interact with someone who feels like that towards you?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

more:

http://blackademics.org/2006/09/25/everybody-want-a-piece-of-my-chicken/

Allyson makes some good points here; several other people do not.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

From what I can see, those websites mainly illustrate an issue of class. For relevant context, they should preferably be read with the Supremes' "I'm Living In Shame" playing in the background.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm enjoying the debut from Chris Young, who was on Nashville Star (though I've never seen the show, lacking cable myself.) "Burn" is my
favorite track thus far, but almost everything is nearly as good. He's
maybe/sorta traditional in a sense--the '80s version of trad--but has a rock feel mixed into several songs.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm Headed Your Way, Jose" by Chris Young is probably the most interesting (only) songs about illegal immigration I've ever heard.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

As songs of protest go, Tom Russell's "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall?" caps the "immigration debate" just about right.

New McMurtry sequel to "We Can't Make It Here" on his website isn't so hot.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ramon, you might need to listen to "José Perez León" by Los Tigres del Norte, or maybe their "Tres Veces Mojado".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ramon, you need to hear "Born in East L.A." by Cheech y Chong.

Chris Young's "I'm Headed Your Way Jose" has a pretty neat conceipt -- come on up here and take my house and Chevrolet since I'm headed down there where things are better anyway and I'll give you a high five at the border -- though Chris seems somewhat deluded, needless to say, about what Jose's life down there is like. Though maybe the delusion is built into the song. Or maybe Chris's point is that his life down there would be better than Jose's is now, I'm not sure...

Rest of his album is seeming okay; kinda pedestrian, but then again I thought that about Trent Willmon's album at first (see above), and I was wrong. I'm in no rush, though; I'll definitely give it time.

Lost Trailers album, I decided, is this year's answer to the last (third) (only good) Warren Brothers album. Whatever that might mean. Either way, it's a keeper -- pretty consistent, if never quite great.

Spady Brannon's album is yet another lifeless songwriter demo tape.

And did I mention that Bomshel go into an amusing "the barn, the barn, the barn is on fire" chant in their stomp? Well, now I did.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot about "Born in East L.A." and "Illegal Alien" by Genesis.
And maybe the Offspring had something too. There are probably some L.A. hardcore acts with (anti?) immigration songs, but I doubt I'd like them.

I think I found the Chris Young song interesting because it's from a
country artist. When I saw the title I kind of cringed, thinking it was either the millionth iteration of the "I'm going to Mexico to drink you off my mind" or some gimmicky red meat for the Build-a-Wall folks.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

If only he didn't think Jose's life wasn't all siestas and fiestas. (By the time he gets to that part of the song, he's apparently forgotten the beginning, where he told us Jose's escaping to the U.S. for a better life. Weird. Cool mariachi horns, though.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

(Oops, get rid of half of my double negative in the first sentence.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's pretty perverse. Kind of like someone singing to a guy who lives in a D.C. ghetto and talking about how cool it is that the guy gets to vote on all those bills in congress.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

louisville sluggers to both headlights, names carved in leather seats, stuff blowing up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0aHQdA6Vg

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 8 October 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

damned dial-up makes watching youtube a pain in the arse. while I was in Boston, my technophile friend with hi-speed and I watched a bunch of that stuff. didn't see the one xhuckk links above, did see gilberto gil and the mutants doing "sunday in the park" live in 1967.

I found Chris Young's record pretty lame--he has no resonance in his voice, and sounds to me like a halfway good guy who won a talent competition...wait...and the backing, when you compare it to the best stuff this year, is stiff, predictable. the one where the family reunion gets crazy, owing to moonshine and granny slurring her words and the Gators and UT fans fighting, and then the park ranger comes in to break it up (see ya'll all next year!), that's a good idea. "José" strikes me as plain stupid, I mean "Everybody's talking about the aliens invading/While I'm saving every dime for a Mexican vacation." I admire this kind of...avidity, that is maybe the word, in the young man, and certainly, my heaven includes but is not limited to "hot women and cheap beer." Again, I kind of like the idea and far be it from me to warn anyone away from a trip to our sister country and all that. But he's just not much of a performer; and I find the obvious thinking behind this song--"Chris is as concerned about illegal immigration as anyone in Nashville, and he thought it would just be fun to defuse the situation with a little humor"--typical.


xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 8 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mindy Smith

Kelefa's reaction: "great".

My reaction: Not as terrible as I'd feared.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

A friend of mine who glories in irritating my ever-worsening TOby Keith obsession sends me this:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,2792,DRMN_54_5020454,00.html

- TK in "rock 'n' roll is dead" shocker
- TK in "lifelong registered democrat" bigger shocker.
- TK in sympathy with the tough life the likes of Sammy Hagar and Bon Jovi have in the modern world non-shocker.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I have been avoiding this thread because I keep meaning to post a list of the pile of country vinyl I picked up on my recent trip to the States. But I keep forgetting to write the list out, and so I've been skulking in doorways when I've seen the thread coming round the corner, hoping not to be noticed.

My brother bought me the Solomon Burke LP the other day, which was nice of him . I was a bit concerned it was going to be a horrible Unplugged / Later with Jools Holland reverencefest but it's not (all) like that. Oddly the best bits are when SB reins it in and doesn't overdo the King of Rock n Soul thing. The Emmylou song in particular's very fine, perhaps the secret to getting SB to make great records is to keep the cookie jar well-stocked.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

NEW YORK, NY, October 17, 2006— Fresh from their performance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, iconic rockers Def Leppard brought their hit concert tour to Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl on Friday night, where they were joined on stage by country music superstar Tim McGraw. McGraw made a special surprise guest appearance during the encore of the group’s smash hit “Pour Some Sugar On Me,” which undoubtedly brought the house down. The incredible duet was performed in front of thousands of screaming fans proving that the hysteria is never ending for Def Leppard.

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In other news, I have decided that I like both the Eric Church album and its single about over-the-counter pregnancy tests a lot, that I like the Chris Young album much more than Edd Hurt does (the family reunion song always makes me think of if John Anderson covered Chuck Berry's wedding song "You Never Can Tell," though Chris doesn't really sing like Jawn; "Center Of My World" has the same melody as Shooter Jennings' "4th of July" despite being a lot sappier; the price of gas song is better than the one on Billy Ray Cyrus's new album; "Burn" is great too and "Lay It On Me" is a good fast boogie woogie -- so yeah, he's pro forma, but still more fun than any Randy Travis or George Strait in recent memory); the new Billy Ray Cyrus album is pretty good anyway (the gas song and mullet song are completely shameles in great achy breaky tradition and "Lonely Wins" is basically John Cougar's "Lonely Old Night" with new words and the duet with Miley is very nice and "It Wouldn't Be Me" sounds exactly either like some great Glen Campbell song or some great song by somebody else that reminded me of Glen Campbell once); and Trace Adkins is probably a despicable asshole (though his line about the first ammendment protecting you against the government but not his fist still cracks me up) but his new album is good enough to keep regardless thanks to its two shameless disco-country songs and "The Stubborn One," which is awesome, not to mention about his grandpa.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

(Though obviously, duh, "Lonely Wins" doesn't change all of "Lonely Old Night"'s words. Also, "Lonely Wins" may be the better dance song. Though not a better dance song than "Thundering Hearts.")

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

ah, I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake in the way he sings. plus the whole thing sounds really clunky to me. but xhuxk's point on the family-reunion song and Chuck Berry and John Anderson is well-taken, so I'll give it another chance. I like the idea of the Chris Young record, but so far...

decided that the great song on new Montgomery Gentry is "A Man's Job," because it's the funniest. "Redder" strikes me as pretty dumb, since they talk about celebrating redneckdom, "don't get redder than that" but they never really come out and say what it is they're doing to be so red. What I've found interesting about MG, listening to their old records again with the new one and having interviewed Eddie last week, is the way they do twin guitars like in the old days, and how adventurous they can be, musically. What I find sort of offputting, as always, are those choruses, like the title song on the new one. "Here's to the strong/Here's to the brave/Against all odds/Against the grain." Kind of stupid compared to the rest of the song, which I quite like. "Free Ride," the last song, is also a good one. I like them but can't take them for very long. Wait, "having too much fun and laughing too loud all night" is how they show their "country class/ass." I dunno, I mean this convenience store I stop at, at the top of the ridge going up from Nashville, is a real, er, redneck place, and man are those folks fucking loud--a real extended-family-clan-affirmation thing on a really loud level, around about 5:15 in the afternoon. I don't think I could be that loud if I tried, although these folks have the virtue of being extremely direct; they have a direct, penetrating gaze. That's who M-G are singing about, and they get it. But as with Chris Young, I guess, they seem to me able to benefit from more detail in their lyrics, which is why I fucking love "A Man's Job" on the new MG; great music, great lope, and they sing it really well and it's funny. (Eddie, I think, found my comment about the great use of "boy toy" in this one real amusing. And he was a bit coached, but seemed totally sincere when he talked about how his dad used this black gospel group and horns to play country clubs in Ky. back in the '60s and '70s.)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that fits with the soul side of Kentucky Headhunters, and KY's own Nappy Roots. I'm very intrigued by the idea of Jawn (known as that cause he sings like that, chawin' his awe, a bull who knows howww to git with the cowwws, under thuh moooon) doing the speedy brilliant Cajun-gloss ""C'est La Vie (You Never Can Tell)"--! Oh, somebody I surely must have heard before (but surely I'd remember?) is Jon Dee Graham, doing a brief set on Public Radio's Woodsongs: gravelly vibrato balancing and balanced by clear, non-pedantic diction, and good words, good tunes. Hate to hype something that may not withstand CD scrutiny, but sure had some of the better qualities of Seger and Graham Parker (in their prime, or maybe even past Seger's, since I like the later stuff that I've heard). A song about his kid that breaks the Kogan Rule ("Country songs about kids always suck," so maybe it isn't country), and one where he goes to perform in Amsterdam and is walking around, seeing the sights, including a demurely clothed Muslim girl, whom he tells (in song only, prob) "I love you, but not in that Western way." Discreet music. (He was "followed" by Tres Chicas, but they couldn't really.)Are his albums good?

don (dow), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think JDG's Summerland is some kinda great. Dude guy can play guitar--sorta like a punk Bill Kirchen with a Strat (which maybe means not like Kirchen at all)--and his tunes always stick with me. I've hummed "A Place In the Shade" through every summer since I heard it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake

I gotta say I don't hear this at all, and I honestly have no idea what Edd's talking about here. To me Young just sounds like a pop-country singer with a good voice. He has no problem putting songs over. Then again, I don't watch many talent shows, so what do I know?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

(I also would have no idea that Chris had ever been a contestant in one if I hadn't read this thread. And I gotta wonder if, he hadn't, whether Edd would still hear "talent show singer" in his voice... Like I said, not a great album, but a consistently entertaining and listenable one -- even that ridiculous illegal immigration song.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

(And there's also a point to be made, of course, about how some of the more effective vocalists in the past few years - Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, er, other people right? - are in fact graduates of talent shows themselves. And they don't all sing the same as each other. So I'm not all that sure "talent show singer" is an insult...)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Miranda Lambert.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

If there's any knock against talent show performers it's that they overdo the melisma--something I wouldn't accuse Chris Young of.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

no, obviously singing in talent shows doesn't mean it's a dis. carrie underwood, her record I liked, now it gets on my nerves. but she sings fine. what I hear in Chris Young is a competent enough vocalist with no personality, and the fake growls he puts in at the end of "beer or gas" don't make me happy. I find the backing sort of one-dimensional and dinky, no matter how many times I've listened to this record, as on "you're gonna love me." he's got it down, that way of singing; I suppose what I hear is subservience, plus he rushes it a little; the whole record sounds rhythmically off to me, like they took everything at slightly the wrong tempo. I do like "white lightning" and I think, listening to it, that maybe Chris Young just needs a better producer or someone to coach him a bit, because this song seems taken at the wrong tempo, it's not *limber* enough for me, I guess.

and that's one great thing about carrie underwood's record: it's perfectly paced. the songs seem constructed to show off his range, too, like when he goes for "lonely" in "drinkin' me lonely." but yeah, I admit it's a pretty good simulation of travis or someone like that, and it does seem I am in the minority in not liking the record--michael mccall here likes it a lot, and he also likes the mindy smith record, which I can't work up any emotion about.

I dug around a bit and found out that what Troy Gentry is in trouble for in Minn. isn't so much killing Chubby the Bear, but tagging it supposedly illegally and sending the hide back to a taxidermist; Chubby now hangs in Troy's Franklin house. It seems like Troy got some allegedly bad advice from the guy who was his guide up there.

And I guess shooting a bear seems like just a big job I don't want to undertake. (Like getting a talent-show singer up to speed for a record, natch. And maybe that's the whole thing with Chris: it sounds a lot like work to me.) In fact, it seems like a nightmare. I'm the kind of guy who swerves to miss a fucking squirrel in the highway, so shooting a bear named Chubby...apparently, violating the federal Lacey Act brings stiff penalties, and apparently Troy's having a jury trial in Duluth in about 5 weeks.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, some description upthread, tagging was the main legal issue, and also he made a snuff video, cooking own goose, hopefully. Jack Sparks suspects this was intended to be part of a music video, I think (if I can wade far enough into Jack's tirade without getting lost). Also, hilariously rips "Two Pink Strips" a new one. Both meltdowns can be found in his Minneapolis City Pages blog.

don (dow), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Dierks Bentley alb streamed over at the AOL Listening Party. (Also Vince Gill, JoJo, Squarepusher, Aerosmith.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Based on one listen to one Chris Young song - "Drinkin' Me Lonely" - I did think that the guy's voice was missing something. He did everything right, does a really nice falsetto at the end, but my ears had relegated it to the background within a minute of my putting it on. But that's only one listen, and "in the background" isn't necessarily a bad place for good music.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

TS: "Some People Change" by Chesney or Montgomery Gentry

Also, 4 CD set of new material by Vince Gill. Why?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm doing a shortie for the Scene on Chris Young. OK, I think he can sing, but as Frank says above, he's kinda missing something.

Could be Buddy Cannon's production, which seems flat and undefined to me. I think it's the drum sound. He did, if I recall rightly, the one Sara Evans record I don't like, because of the production.

Did anybody else notice that the new M-Gentry record has 1) really good graphics, I think 2) they don't list *any* writers' credits that I see, which is right unusual for a Nashville record?

And anybody heard the new Keith Urban? I think I'm getting a watermarked copy, had to convince them I'm not working the "Paducah and Carbondale corridor," as Colbert and Randy Newman amusingly spoke of in a recent episode that had Newman completely up for Colbert's fine (but sometimes annoying) switcheroo-bullshit act. And not going to make bootleg knockoffs with a nudie pic of Nicole crudely placed on cheap paper. (If you can somehow catch that Colbert Reporr episode again--it ran maybe 10-14 days ago, it's a good one, not least because Newman *sang* "Political Science" as it ended.)

I haven't gotten or heard that Gill. Smart people have told me it's suprisingly good, apparently he does a whole disc of what was described to me as "swamp pop." He's a good damn guitar player, is the thing, a talented guy indeed. And he's got Amy, sweet Amy...

Decided I quite liked the Gary Bennett record. One-time minor leaguer who had to take a job at Home Depot (apparently he did), drinks too much, doesn't like turning 40. Great sound, and I think the record works well as an entity, if a bit depressing on rainy days.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reviewing Lari White's "Stinky Socks" for PaperThinWalls. It's from Kid Pan Alley Nashville, which isn't strictly country, but neither are most of the other contenders for my Top Ten (It's got a few duds, but the goodies are so good, incl some semi-ringers, like Amy's "Christmas In Nashville." Christmas is mostly for kids, and retailers, incl baby moguls, so maybe it's not a ringer at all, but not sure of kid input, which is allegedly present on all tracks). So, I will do a search on these bigass Rolling C.s, cos I know somebody said something about her, but any thoughts on Lari?

don (dow), Saturday, 21 October 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Neither Allmusic/Billboard nor Wikipedia had writer credits on the Monty G, but I found this on their Website:

Some People Change
Michael Dulaney, Jason Sellers, Neil Thrasher

Hey Country
Bart Allmand, Danny Myrick, Jeffrey Steele

Lucky Man
David Cory Lee, Dave Turnbull

Takes All Kinds
Michael Dulaney, Troy Gentry, Neil Thrasher

Your Tears Are Comin'
Tom Hambridge, Jeffrey Steele

Clouds
Eddie Montgomery, Tony Mullins, Jeffrey Steele

Twenty Years Ago
Gary Nicholson, Rivers Rutherford, Jeffrey Steele

What Do Ya Think About That
Brett Jones, Anthony Smith

Redder Than That
Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

Man's Job
Gary Hannan, Eddie Montgomery, Phil O'Donnell, Thom Shepherd

If You Wanna Keep an Angel
Troy Gentry, Rivers Rutherford, Tom Shapiro

Free Ride in the Fast Lane
Houston Robert, Rivers Rutherford, George Teren

(Allmusic did mention Mark Wright as having a hand in the production, and Wright is generally excellent.)

Have heard only the title song. Doesn't hit me nearly as hard as it seems to be knocking over everyone else; well sung, well played, surely, hazy wah-wah against precise chording, and I'd be surprised if the Chesney version were as good (never heard it); but this is slow, and the chorus carries a heavy wall of rock sound not unlike late '70s Springsteen (Edd mentioned the Springsteen connection upthread), which just isn't my favorite style. Not nearly as alive and fun as "She Couldn't Change Me." Change schmange. And as for the message of life transformation, this song goes through motions that "Jesus Take the Wheel" does for real. On the other hand, the gospel choir at the end actually lifts the music - I'd almost call it exciting, and I'm generally a hater of gospel choirs in rock songs. The choir in "Like a Prayer" is one of the few others I can tolerate. I'll probably like the album - MG are my favorite band of the '00s (unless you count Ying Yang Twins as a band, and come to think of it, YYT are probably as much a band or not a band as the Montgumbos).

I was just listening to "Some People Change" on Launch Yahoo, and - since I'm on their Spanish language site 'cause it has fewer and better-sounding commercials - which has now tossed Belinda's great "Angel" at me. Talk about knowing how to do melodrama. Someday one of these country bands simply has to go and record in Mexico.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

thanks frank. I found all that on the website, but wonder why they didn't list it on the record. my theory is that eddie and troy wrote more on this one than they ever have before, and wanted to give the impression they're a "band" (they're a duo w/ studio cats) and that they're songwriters. as usual, the number of songs they go thru to get 12 is amazing, in this case it was 4000, if montgomery's comment to me is accurate. amazing.

did a critic pick on chris young for the scene; he's participating in this "broadway meets country" benefit at tn.perf. arts ctr. next wk., where people like him, raul malo, etc., sing b-way toonz and the broadway cats go country. it's part of the big leadup to CMA awards here, and in its second year. anyway, I think he can sing just fine, in fact he's quite good, but those fucking songs on that record (his own "drinkin' me lonely" and one or two others are real good, though) were my problem, and buddy cannon's production, which just sounds dated to me. I mean that song about wanting to move to mexico, hard as I try to get into the mindset, if I can use that odious word, that created it, just makes me arf. really disgraceful. if they'll get me in, I'd love to see what he does with other material; and seems to me he shoulda made a record like jamey johnson's. and, turns out young has been trying, had been trying, to get into music even before the nash star stuff, and his dad was sort of in the bizness.

nashville songwriting is such a weird animal, undeniably professional, but wearying. "some people change" is a decent example; it seems to lose its way in that chorus, which drives me nuts, and the song is *everywhere* on the radio here now, giving away the CD, and all that. they have to relate everything to some big emotion and some perceived audience, and of course to the War Effort and the Heroes in Iraq. I mean fuck, I feel for those guys, who wouldn't, and having recently shepherded a couple of friends thru their AA traumas, which are no laughing matter, I guess beating the booze is "heroic," but that chorus is still just Bad Art. it's almost a great song, is the thing, and as frank says, I think the gospel choruses are a good idea. (country seems to be using them more as Signifier of Soul, just like every country record has got to have a song about Dropping My Load and Moving to Sunny Mexico.) but shit, these guys truly maximize Southern rock as effectively as anyone I can think of, and "free ride in fast lane" is pretty great, as is "hey country." which is one of the best songs about being not quite working class I know; very savvy about their audience, and I love the detail where the old boy in the song is working at the auto-repair shop and sometimes they let 'im work on a fan belt or whatever it is--he's a stoner, still, and tends to, uh, forget what the haill he's doing, completely ruint mr. gentry's lexus so we learnt a lesson there. but a good ol' boy, just still thinks he's in high school and he's 27. also, perhaps their most big and rich -influenced song on the record? in short, the m-gentry record ought to be licensed for continuous play at every highschool reunion ('80s) from here to wichita.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

I've written (on prev R.C.thread and thefreelancementalists) about digging the halfway house macho/siege mentality/defensiveness/knowing you're fucked/hopefullness of prev album (and political implications etc.) But the further coming to grips on here only works if you got a good strong grip and something to grip, rassle with. Otherwise it's like Sasquatch is way overmedicated, but not in a fun way. Overmed=mediocre, that is. So I don't give a shit about the first four tracks (sure, throw that bottle in the video, that's all it takes; whyncha take the Pledge vs. demon rum, like Sen. Tower, and where is he now)(although seeing oneself or anyway "you" as "one more spoke in the wheel" is a tiny xtreme flashback to Doom Your Thing siegebrush). "Your Tears Are Coming" chopsnchannels wrath or at least indignation, like Free covering Seger (only not that good). "Clouds" is succinct with the sentiment; "20 Years Ago" ditto, and he knows it's one of those what the fuck can you do? family situations. "I don't care what anybody thinks!" Undercut by "What do you think about that?" (wry laugh, he knows he cares)"A Man's Job": deftly bitchy macho (good students of Willie and Merle!) "Angel" and "Free Ride" may worm themselves into my non-channelswitching tolerance/apathy. "Redder"? The Doom Your Thing bikers pawned that ring for Peter Pan Port, lonnng ago, Archie and Fonzie!

don (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

New Montgomery Gentry and Bright Eyes albs being streamed for a week at AOL's Listening Party (also new Marion Raven!!!*, Hannah Montana, Brooke Hogan, Jibbs, Who, Moby, My Chemical Romance)(busy week).

*Marion's is an EP, six songs, three new, three from the Atlantic alb that was never released here; she's concentrating on the rockers rather than the Max Martins, unfortunately. She's basically transforming herself into an L.A. rocker chick. Meat Loaf's duet with her is in the British Top Ten right now.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

(As a matter of fact, the Marion EP is probably as relevant to this thread as to the teenpop; at least it's closer to Shooter Jennings than to M2M; not as interesting as either, though it sounds good. I'd like to see her create a Shakira-Shooter-Crüe amalgamation, but I doubt she'll ever try.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody has to! (Shakira's hardbilly "r" ["mmyee deeearr"] and still relatively big ol' billybutt etc etc., times Shooter keyboards on the itchy rocks and Crue-well, I've never gotten into theyum, but their fearlessness would help)

little pink strips for you and me (dow), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

one listen into the new dierks, doing something quick on the turnaround on it. well, shit, it's as gratifyingly abstract as the first one. I mean, his shtick re ramblin' and gamblin' is lame, but damn, "that don't make it easy lovin' me" is pretty amazing, not least of all as a rewrite of "lot of leavin' left." rocks in on a tangle of guitar and then stomps with a terse lick that is gratifyingly abstract. a modified 1-1V progression, with "I got a woman/Let me tell you man she's something/You won't catch me doin' nothin'/That'll make her leave," the bit where he stretches the end of the words just like his first big single last year. in short, kinda brilliant, and taking waylonisms and bluegrass mythos into new territory, formally. the drag is that he's kind of nothing as a singer. what this almost is, is the new byrds circa 1970, or gene clark without the doom in his voice. i'm impressed, this gets over on pure aural pleasure, interaction between guitars and banjo and that great riff. greatest country rewrite of the year. dunno about his ballads, as on the last record, but he gets brett beavers to record these fine guitar textures and licks, so whether or not he leaves california with $50 and a gas card that is already maxed out and gets with that sweet girl, he's not gonna do it in actuality so just sit back and enjoy the fakeness of it all.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)


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