Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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we just can't seem to find our damn dividers...
http://www.planet-guitar.net/review/davemath_cd/DMB2.jpg

Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jeezzzzus! Won't this thread ever fuckin' expire?

Bottom line: DMB sucks, and therefore you must suck for liking them.

Case closed. Next?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I kiss you

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The Cure appears to be another "drink the Kool-Aid" band only I really, really like their Ecto-Cooler flavor.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

So wait...since YOU don't like them, they automatically suck? Which means I suck as well? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Thank you for clearing that up.

Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the logic is as follows:

DMB sucks -> Alex (et al) doesn't like them.
DMB sucks -> You suck for liking them.

.. just as clarification ...

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Earnest Rock, as performed by groups like Hootie and the Blowfish and Counting Crows, thrives as a reaction to the overblown tendencies of the musical extremes elsewhere in the marketplace. While this brand of music might be more “meaningful” than, say, Destiny’s Child, it’s also achingly dull in comparison to the catharsis and passion fueling a Nirvana or a PJ Harvey (or a Le Tigre or a Yo La Tengo).."

I love how the sarcasm of this one doesn't really hit til the ironic punchline about all those exciting PJ Harvey and Le Tigre and (this is the obvious clue) Yo La Tengo records. Like, if only all those clueless Counting Crows fans heard those, they'd never turn back!

olga, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

catharses can be slow, guys. seriously.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but they DON'T suck. You just think they do.

Allison (Allison), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

""Earnest Rock, as performed by groups like Hootie and the Blowfish and Counting Crows, thrives as a reaction to the overblown tendencies of the musical extremes elsewhere in the marketplace. While this brand of music might be more “meaningful” than, say, Destiny’s Child, it’s also achingly dull in comparison to the catharsis and passion fueling a Nirvana or a PJ Harvey (or a Le Tigre or a Yo La Tengo).."

The other funny (and clearly intentional) thing is that Nirvana, PJ Harvey, Le Tigre, and Yo La Tengo present themselves as just as "earnest," if not more so, as Hootie and the Crows! (Not to mention the stupid dismissal-of-random-r&b-act-as-meaningless crap.)

olga, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Allison! You're back!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oddly, nick catucci compares dmb to destiny's child here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0112/catucci.php

chuck, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmmm.....DMB versus Destiny's Child.

There's a special ring in Hell that awaits me where these are the only two musical options.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

at least Destiny's Child doesn't try to pass themselves off as being "meaningful" or "deep"....

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well, they do have that one song that says "all you women, independent, throw your handcuffs at me" or however it goes.

chuck, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

throw your handcuffs at me

hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

But they aren't good, Allison. You just think so.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 1 July 2004 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I am completely digging this "drink the Kool-Aid" metaphor because it completely explains my musical tastes! In general, if I buy into a band/artist, I *completely* buy into them and am hard-pressed to find something by them that I dislike. Conversely, if an artist makes a bad impression on me, it's very, very, VERY improbable that I will ever warm to them.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 July 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

They are good, they have talent. They just don't fit your tastes.

Allison (Allison), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Allison: I like Phish so much more than DMB.

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The guy working the heavy construction equipment down the street seems to have a lot of talent but he creates noise which is really annoying.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Good Lord, in two weeks time we'll probably all have forgotten why DMB are so bad and hated! Perhaps a quickly-assembled print version of this thread should be made available.

briania (briania), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~bbussa1/nickbuzz.jpg

Can this be the cover?

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Sure, Nick & Buzz prolly won't mind. For awhile.

briania (briania), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds like a personal problem, Jon.

Allison (Allison), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten how goddamn awesome Alex in NYC was on this thread. I just laughed for a half hour.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

One last post before ILM is gone.

DMB sux. U R all gay.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 2 July 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
that d00d's face looks like a canned ham!!!!
and the other guy, well, he just looks evil...

btw- DMB=the band that people who like jambandlite prefer.

and they suck.
phish are better. but only by a country mile.

eedd, Sunday, 25 July 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

This is my last testament to this world.

This thread will outlive me.

U

R

ALL

GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thank you.

Daisy the Cow, Sunday, 25 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
long time no revive!!!

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He still sucks.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i hear he likes to eat dog food

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

hi. this thread is due for a serious revival. anyone?

Jay Kid (Jay K), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, I've totally changed my mind about this music. Oh wait, no I haven't.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it because "the [Dave Matthews] band tour bus apparently dumped up to 800 pounds of liquid human waste into the Chicago River this summer"?

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,15208,00.html?tnews

Nemo (JND), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

that is an amazing story. if they would just get fined for the air pollution, too.

Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"According to state Attorney General Lisa Madigan, the waste rained down on a passing tour boat, with many of the 100 passengers struck with falling feces in the mouth and eyes."

Nemo (JND), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I just hope DMB doesn't attempt to "leak" their latest releases like this again.

Nemo (JND), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda like some of their stuff.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 October 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)
We had a couple of threads on this too:
If I don't see how this is much different from listening to him...
What would have been a better title for my thread about Dave Matthews' bus allegedly dumping its "brownish-yellow", "foul-smelling muck" into the Chicago River and onto a boat full of tourists?
Scroll down on the second thread to read about the CLASSIC follow-up re:DMB offering to provide DNA evidence that it wasn't their shit.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 25 October 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i was out at lunch today and "crash" came on just as i was making my way out the door. "Mostly what I remember is people gagging"

tricky (disco stu), Monday, 25 October 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that thread will never hang...

this thread will become the milestone by which all threads will be measured.

all shall pass thru the DMB thread, or they shall perish.

eedd, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Damn, why do I always get the news so late? I really wanted to started a thread called "Dave Matthews shits in your general direction".

choo choo the herky jerky dancer (papa november), Saturday, 13 November 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I have most of Before These Crowded Streets now. "Halloween" in particular is really good. I like how they used the Kronos Quartet o some of these tracks. Who arranged the strings? I like the intricacy of the playing, the structures, and the meandering melodies. "The Dreaming Tree" is also a great song. Also, "The Song That Jane Likes" sounds like an American "Something's Changed"!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 14 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

Hi! Long-time fan here (9 years, 34 shows), and I couldn't resist chiming in to tell you all how much I love this thread. It's provided much entertainment to a previously hum-drum day (I'm not trying to be a sarcastic bitch either, you really have great senses of humor and kept me chuckling). I'm hesitant to say more because of the criticism random "Googlers" have taken for being... random googlers (aside from adding unintelligible posts and making your point about tDMB fanbase resoundingly clear, but what can you do), but I'll try to watch my p's and q's. Most DMB fans are quite used to the hating at this point, and so don't bother to comment on the subject, but thank you Allison for truly Representing. I too, was a hater once, for about 10 minutes, until a copy of Crash landed in my stereo. From the first 5 seconds of Two Step I was a goner. I can't argue the technical merits of tDMB's musicianship because I'm not even a very good air-drummer, but their music spoke to me then and speaks to me still. That's really all I know. Oh, and that I never ever get tired of intoducing new music into my system; rock, jazz, and bluegrass being my favorite forms (DMB just happens to meld all three harmoniously). My other favorites include Badly Drawn Boy, Wilco, Zero7, Prince, Steely Dan, Nikka Costa, Marvin Gaye, Taj Mahal, Ben Folds/Five... just the first few that come to mind. I'm starting to listen to Death Cab for Cutie and digging them, and might just poke around this site some more to see what else I should be listening to right meow. Hope no one minds... :)

The Dreaming Tree

Standing here
The old man said to me
"Long before these crowded streets
Here stood my dreaming tree"
Below it he would sit
For hours at a time
Now progress takes away
What forever took to find
Now he's falling hard
And feels the falling dark
How he longs to be
Beneath his dreaming tree
Conquered fear to climb
The moments froze in time
When the girl who first he kissed
Promised him she'd be his
Remembered mother's words
There beneath the tree
"No matter what the world
You'll always be my baby"
Mommy come quick
The dreaming tree has died
The air is growing thick
A fear he cannot hide
The dreaming tree has died

Oh have you no pity
This thing I do
I do not deny it
All through this smile
As crooked as danger
I do not deny
I know in my mind
I would leave you now
If I had the strength to
I would leave you up
To your own devices
Will you not talk
Can you take pity
I don't ask for much
But won't you speak
Please

From the start
She knew she had it made
Easy up 'til then
For sure she'd make the grade
Adorers came in hordes
To lay down in her way
She gave it all she had
But treasures slowly fade
Now she's falling hard
She feels the fall of dark
How did this fall apart
She drinks to fill it up
A smile of sweetest flowers
Wilted so and soured
Black tears stain the cheeks
That once were so admired
She thinks when she was small
There on her father's knee
How he had promised her
"You'll always be my baby"
"Daddy come quick
The dreaming tree has died
I can't find my way home
There is no place to hide
The dreaming tree has died"
(shake't shake't) x4
Oh if I had the strength to
I would leave you up
to your own devices
will you not talk
can you take pity
I don't ask for much
won't you speak
please
(to much time)
Take me back x7
Save me please
(take me back)


~Dave Matthews

Danelle Juline, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

might just poke around this site some more to see what else I should be listening to right meow. Hope no one minds... :)

Not at all. Welcome!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Howdy!

LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

In a bar, about a month ago with friends, I heard a few tracks off Crash I had completely forgotten. I still think that album is a HUGE letdown compared to the first two, and I can't stand "Crash Into Me", but the songs I heard in that bar were the best ones I remember off that album, and I was delighted to hear them again. "Cry Freedom" is my favourite.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the longest thread I've ever seen.

DMB represents an MOR sensibility and the fetish of musicianship without anything resembling good songwriting. Taken alone, they are not unlike many of the boring bands that populate vh1 (john mayer, jack johnson, natalie merchant, nelly furtado, etc, etc.)

This would not be a problem but for their omnipresence, especially in cities with grocery stores that offer a myriad of granola options. DMBs main appeal is to jam band lovers, who are nice yet repugnant. Their secondmost audience is aging (sub)urbanites who crave eclecticism in only the slightest of doses. As much as I'd like to say that a band's audience doesn't color my impression of a band, it just isn't true in practice.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)


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