The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

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"Johnny's Gonna Die" is a message to Johnny Thunders that his way of life was killing him.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks guys!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Your welcome, Dan. Oh, and one more thing: "Customer" is about checking out the checkout girl.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

And you're welcome to enjoy my typos as well.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone want to parse "God Damn Job"?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure. It's the opposite of a "Grebt Job."

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The album "All Shook Down" is about how Paul Westerberg couldn't write good songs anymore.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"BENT OUT OF SHAPE", MATT. "BENT OUT OF SHAPE."

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, there's a few good 'uns on that but man i listened to that a year ago and was shocked at how bad it was....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, that album's amazingly weak, but it has a few good tunes on it. Personally I like "Someone Take the Wheel". "Sadly Beautiful" (aside from the horrible title) is also actually quite pretty.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks to that album, I can't get off an airplane without humming "One Wink at a Time".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

"tommy gets his tonsils out" APPEARS to be about tommy getting his tonsils out. but it isn't really. it's really about the state of health care in the u.s. circa 1984.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

"seen yr video," on the other hand, IS about the fact that they've seen yr video. furthermore, they are not impressed.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Gary actually HAVE a boner or was it merely conceptual?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

it works on multiple levels

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

You would say that you pervert.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

DP for the brane. (The Kiss cover was Reverse Anal Cowgirl for the brane.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned Raggett & The Conceptual Boners

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Giving it to you abstractly"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Research suggests that "Little Mascara" has only been mentioned once on this thread, which is not nearly enough.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i think replacements fans have always been troubled by the mixed message of that one, since tommy tended to wear a lot of mascara, never just a little.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Tommy's prettiness was underexploited.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(Tommy signed my vinyl copy of Let It Be by drawing a big circle around the picture of Bob on the bag and writing "50 lb. slime" under it)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(picture of Bob on the back, that is)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i might have told this story before, but apparently todd trainer (shellac/rifle sport) and flour (RS) beat the crap out of tommy behind the CC club.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

beating up tommy would be easy. Those guys should have punched Albini while they were at it.

I remember the first time I was in the CC and how I'd heard the juke was so kickass and how it was this legendary joint and but I was only there because I was silly drunk and it was 1989 and I was still pretending that the Replacements mattered. Totally a let down, just like OarFolk. They say never meet your heroes because you'll only be disappointed.

The thing about the Mats is that their legend is way better than the reality, which is kinda like above--it's better to experience them when you're young/loaded, and then just not listen to them 15 years (or fuck, 20) after the fact because you will realize that your heroes were not that good. As in, every other band currently in my rearview mirror. They only sound good when I drop all my pretensions and enjoy the salve of nostalgia.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

just like OarFolk

Ah, this store. Which I only know about through MST3K of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"it's better to experience them when you're young/loaded, and then just not listen to them 15 years (or fuck, 20) after the fact because you will realize that your heroes were not that good. As in, every other band currently in my rearview mirror. They only sound good when I drop all my pretensions and enjoy the salve of nostalgia. "

eh, that may be true for you, but not for me. When I go back to those records I'm still pretty taken with the songwriting and weirdo guitar playing. and the lyrics are sharp, funny, and economical - I don't invest the stuff with the same emotional intensity I did as a teenager, but it isn't just nostalgia that makes me appreciate a completely perfect tune like "If Only You Were Lonely".

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, it occurs to me that Dan Perry hates a band that has a song called "Gary's Got a Boner." This does not seem right to me.

J (Jay), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

just because they are not as good as I'd remembered them to be doesn't mean that I love them less or think that they are not the best band, like, evah.

IOYWL is so completely awesome. I was listening to it JUST LAST NIGHT.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 25 August 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

oarfolk is called treehouse now.

i like the cc club, but it's weird now that there's no smoking in mpls...smells funny.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That's just the fresh air.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, it's more like:

Smoking room at a decrepit Motel 6+deep fryer+bathroom cleaner=yum!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 25 August 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, rockism.

From my First Avenue oral history:

Peter Jesperson, Replacements manager: We did a show in the Entry and I remember I tried to put something on the flier that said "rock 'n' roll" and [Paul] Westerberg got pissed at me and said, "We ain't no rock 'n' roll band." I was like, What do you mean you're not a rock 'n' roll band? Of course you are. I finally convinced him to let me use "low-class rock." That was acceptable.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, it occurs to me that Dan Perry hates a band that has a song called "Gary's Got a Boner." This does not seem right to me.

I don't want to be TOO predicktable!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 August 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I really, really hated the Replacements when every fuckin critic in the country was sucking their dicks all day. Especially the sort of "if you don't get it, you don't love ROCK AND ROLL, MAAAN" bullshit - at the time I was like, fuck you, the Birthday Party can out-rock the Replacements without breaking a fuckin sweat. The only thing was the "Bastards of Young" chorus - something about it really stuck with me. Six or seven months ago I bought the All For Nothing comp and I have to say that I was wrong about the Replacements. Some of my objections still hold - the production style is pointlessly grandiose for my tastes; sounds like somebody tryin' to make a STATEMENT, fuck that - but the songs, esepcially the really clever chord progressions vs the melodies which could be sung a lot better but at the same time discovering that there's a really pretty melody underneath the rasp gets to be a fun habit: they're pretty damned good. Really enjoying this band I used to completely loathe.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 27 August 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

especially the way Westerberg is always teasing you by threatening to have his progression land on the tonic but not getting there - (see "All Shook Down" for a really obvious example) - really wistful effect that has, quite unusual for openly ROCK progressions - Bacharach-like to my ears

but I do think there's so much 80's rock politics caught up in talking about the Replacements that it's hard to hear them with clean ears

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 27 August 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

As I was but a tot when the 'Mats were around (and a Scottish tot for that) it wasn't until three years ago that I actually heard them (I was aware of them through REM and stuff but couldn't find their records anywhere or anyone who'd let me hear em first) but Let It Be quickly became one of my favourite albums ever. Who cares if they weren't as innovative as the Huskers et al, they're simply one of the great raggedly romantic rock 'n roll bands who's ever been. I wish I'd heard Sixteen Blue when I was sixteen, but hell, it still sends shivers up my spine. And Answering Machine is so OTM. Bob Stintson is a great guitarist - the solo on 16 Blue soars and the hell for leather soloing he does is just thrillingingly stoopid. What a band!

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 27 August 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

but I do think there's so much 80's rock politics caught up in talking about the Replacements that it's hard to hear them with clean ears

Yeah, anyone remember the Musician cover story circa Don't Tell a Soul? The cover line was something like "The Last Great Rock'n'Roll Band" or something ridiculous like that. I was a massive fan at the time (OK, I still am), but even to me it seemed silly.

BUT...I think they get sold down the river by some people because of all that. They were a lot funnier, smarter and weirder than that whole earnest-romantic-rocker tag gives them credit for. Hootenanny covers more ground in less time than almost anything I can think of, and somehow manages to drop "Within Your Reach" right in the middle, and "Let It Be" is likewise full of left turns. "Tim" and "PTMM" are more conventional "rock" records, obviously, but they're not that conventional, and they're loaded down with track-by-track good-to-great songs. And if you're looking for a Twin Cities guy to lump Westerberg with, I think Craig Finn's a much better match than Bob Mould.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 27 August 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Absolutely. That's why I love em so: their ability to switch from really desperate angst ridden romantic stuff, to stoopid, silly humour the next. To go from Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out to the glorious Androgynous or from the shameless let's-rip-off-not-one-not-two-but three-Beatles-tunes of Mr Whirly to Witihin Your Reach takes a special kind of genius.

Stew (stew s), Saturday, 27 August 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Joan Jett apparently does "Androgynous" in concert. I would like to hear that.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

What ever happened to Tim Baier anyway?

donut gon' nut (donut), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish I'd heard Sixteen Blue when I was sixteen

OTM. this song blows me away every time...

stevie (stevie), Sunday, 28 August 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Hootenanny is sounding better than ever to me these days. I've always felt that was one of their inferior records overall next to Sorry Ma, Let It Be, even Tim...but it's really sinking into me now for some reason, flawed as it may be.

I just wish sometimes that I could exorcise the Replacements out of me once and for all. If I could just UNDERSTAND what the hell they did, and then finally let them go. But I continue to try to unravel the mystery, fascinated, spellbound. Well aware of their flaws.

I saw them live in 1985, but I was too young to even understand how important they would seem later.

Mr. Whirly, Please Don't Call Me (Bimble...), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Hootenanny has grown on me over the years to become my favorite 'mats record. Loose, flawed, sloppy, funny, heartbreaking.

Gotta also mention "Swinging Party" in the same breath. What a great song. Mabye it's 'cause I lived in Mpls in my 20s, but those echoey plaintive vox take me right back to the grey streets, sometime after the leaves have dropped and before the first frost.

declan zimmerman, Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

How could I have missed this thread?

I honestly cannot imagine anyone saying "dud" to this band. Sure, their last, oh, two albums were largely shite (though I still adore "Anywhere's Better Than Here" on Don't Tell A Soul), but everything else if fuckin' gold. Yeah, they unwittingly begat a slew of shitty bands like the Goo Goo Dicks and the so forth, but y'know...what'cha gonna do.

"Take Me to the Hospital" on Hootenanny is also, by the way, fucking perfect.

Great, unteathered, shambolic, genius rock'n'roll with personality and attitude galore. Don't like it? Go listen to Mariah Carey then, you cheese-addicted twits!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC you are an idiot if you disagree/ just listen to the album "let it be" CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC

(from my new album "WAIT they dont love you like i love you")

JD from BEYOND LIQUORDOME, Saturday, 10 September 2005 06:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had "I'll Be You" stuck in my head out of nowhere for the past three days. I haven't heard it since I was six, but my parents used to have the cassette single for it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

And it's still the only Replacements song I'm familiar with.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I will defend Pleased to Meet Me to the death.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link


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