YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE ILX HEAVY ROCK/METAL ALBUM POLL COUNTDOWN, SUCKA (CLICK FOR A RECAP)

johnny, think of the fun you will have when you do an "alternate alltime heavy rock/metal poll" with no albums from the top 300 allowed.

(ps its not like i even care for most of these BM/DM albums that have placed)

i never saw the nominations list but i'd be kinda surprised if ghostreveries was the only opeth album in the top 300

Did I miss it, or has Hvis Lyset Tar Oss not placed yet? Cause lol to the max if we're giving that asshole a #1 album in the ILX metal poll :P

Oh, nevermind -- I see it just placed at 13.

This poll is an excellent argument in the doing away with of polls on ILM forever.

This next album got pushed out of the top 10 at the last min by hair metal fan J3ff "girly metal" T

Varg needs our support!

Pink?

xp

the top ten better redeem all this high-placing bullshit.

i dont see why i should bother running metal polls then if that's how people feel

xp to johnny

Pink?

yes, M!ssundaztood was pushed out at the last minute by late voters

11 Burzum · Filosofem (1996) (905 Points, 20 votes)
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/3/8/2/382.jpg

oh ffs

I can't wait to see the list of voters. I don't even care about their ballots...i just want to know who they were.

again this is why metal is troublesome, people lionize shit like this and make rationalizations for it that are only really comparable to rationalizations made by people who really really dig super misogynistic hip-hop

Kerr is always asking me to defend Burzum on ILX, so let me just say once and for all: Varg is a terrible racist and a horrific disgusting human being, but I'm fascinated with BSDM like film critics are fascinated by Leni Riefenstahl or Birth of a Nation. It's incredibly striking, fascinating music and Varg is a really weird + bizarre figure. It could just be that my repulsion glands aren't functioning correctly, but it's really compelling shit imho.

Can someone post a track from Filosofem for us?

To be honest, can't really disagree with Mordy. Some individuals are unbelievably repulsive, but some of the music is unbelievably compelling.

Check the tracks poll results. I remember something from this album being in there. xp

I know what you mean. I have a hard time justifying it to myself when I listen to Wagner, but that's not very often. xp

Still, Wagner never iced a motherfucker.

Wagner was friends with Jewish composers IIRC -- his reputation as an uber-anti-semite is not deserved. Blame his nazi nephew or grandson or whatever.

Yeah, but it's not like I'm trying to justify to myself, "Oh, he's horrible but the music is so good," (which I have to do when I listen to Wagner too). It's more like, "Oh my god, he's so horrible and that's what is so freaking interesting here." Like his music is clearly coming from a demented brilliant mind. I don't separate it out from him personally.

So, the top ten?

I was going to say, the whole thing with Wagner is complicated and not nearly as clear-cut as the appropriation of his music by the Nazis would lead you to believe; there's more evidence directly damning Orff than Wagner and even there info is contradictory and muddled.

Not all that much is contradictory, muddled or uncertain with Varg.

^^^ HI DERE OTM as usual

didn't vote here but for ilxor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXu8M6q6v84

i struggle mightily w this cuz i dig some burzum as music, but can't even begin to condone any kind of support for the motherfucker (or for the motherfuckers that support the motherfucker)

like, Wagner wrote an anti-Semetic essay while possibly having Jewish heritage and telling ppl that his closest friendship was with a Jewish dude namd Samuel Lehrs

it's all kind of a big fucked-up mess; a good chunk of what he was doing looks like pandering to get people to stop patronizing his rivals

Yeah, but it's not like I'm trying to justify to myself, "Oh, he's horrible but the music is so good," (which I have to do when I listen to Wagner too). It's more like, "Oh my god, he's so horrible and that's what is so freaking interesting here." Like his music is clearly coming from a demented brilliant mind. I don't separate it out from him personally.

It's definitely more the former for me - I think that's because the music doesn't seem particularly... expressive, if that's the right word? Especially the ambient instrumental bits. I'm still conflicted for sure but that's why I find it easier to appreciate the music.

xp yeah from what I've read his essay was half piss-taking, a quarter actual anti-semitism and a quarter trying to get his music sold at a time when Jewish composers were very popular.

He wrote some anti-semitic music too including a piece based on the Grimm's Fairy Tale "The Jew Among Thorns"

#10 would be nice (maybe?) about now.

He was also a massive socialist

I don't doubt he was anti-semitic, just not rapidly or any more so than Europeans of the time in general.

I wrote a paper on BSDM + queer theory in my MA program last year if anyone is interested. lol.

I just got an email from Herman, apparently he's not going to post the top ten until Johnny and everyone else have a 100-post serious discussion about the merits of these Burzum albums.

I guess we'll never know, then.

j/k, I think Herman's making dinner or something.

I don't doubt he was anti-semitic, just not rapidly or any more so than Europeans of the time in general.

^^^ this. I think his musical innovations and the appropriation of his work by the Nazis amplify anti-Semetic threads in his work that were largely commonplace during the time period; Joseph Conrad had similar issues with Africans circa Heart of Darkness and divergent opinion on him as irredeemable racist vs product of his times exist there, only Conrad was lucky enough not to have his work picked up and championed by the Klan.

This list is extremely dubious. i mean, you gotta be kidding me.

^^^ that (xpost)

That's why I can't wait to see the names of all these "ballots" that were submitted. This poll is turning out to be about as legit as an Iranian election.

this poll is reinforcing my perception in high school of metal fans as total assholes

Ive never sb'd anybody, but I am going to really make up for that once I see the ballots.

Your middle finger must be purple or it doesn't count.

There's what, about a core of 10 of us commenting? I find it hard to believe all the lurkers would skew obscurist rather than populist. No poll on ILM has ever worked that way.

10 Guns n' Roses · G N' R Lies (1988) (905 Points, 20 votes)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Guns_and_Roses_GNR_Lies.jpg

sike ... sorry

Oh man, I'm getting banned when my ballot gets posted.