Rolling Country 2006 Thread

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yeah he was and is popular in the South, but influence in country seems to show up more in dynamics of live show and his records that come closer to that, re combination of one-to-one (like the stories he'd tell between songs, and the more intimate songs) with TURN IT UP YEEHA. Not that country didn't laready have some of that, and and not that it didn't come from other 70s/80s non-country artists, but he's pretty handy, imagewise, etc. Otherwise, yeah, filtered more through Mellencamp's moody journeyman template, which you can use with out having to be as flamboyantly/overreachingly Broocian as you would likely be if trying to bite the primary source directly. (but country isn't nec Southern anyway; a lot of songs break first on Western stations, and a lot of the Western workforce/audience is from other areas, East as well as South; for that matter, I know a lot of people who have moved from the Southeast to Northeast, and vice versa [some coming back down here, when there are more jobs, and yet the cost of living remains lower than a lot of other areas])

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

great oxford american article here:
http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/content.cfm?ArticleID=81&Entry=Extras

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

also a question

listening to sliding on the frets, the hawaiian guitar collection, there are several tracks where the volacaztions move from something hawaiian to something either bluesy (oscar woods here) or bluegrassy (the blue ridge ramblerS), or strangely enough yodelling
(the jaw dropping bezos hawaiian orhestra, singing sti honoloou(sp)...

i know that there was a hawaiiana craze in the southern united states (well in all of the united states in the 20s and 30s), and i know that the steel guitar came to country thru that craze, and the linear notes make some tennous connectections b/w blue grass, native hawiaan music, and the blues, among other things, so:

1) does anyone know anymroe of this history
2) how did hawaiian guitar become so popular in appalichia
3) did the work function the opposite way, is there a wakiki blue grass scene
4) w/ ww2, statehood, and the like, i understand the hawaiiana craze from the mid 50s, but have no idea where it came from the 20s or so?
5) also, does anyone know where else i can here this kind of thing

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

1. a good place for anthony to find more of that kind of thing: "hawaiian steel guitar classics 1927-1938," arhoolie 1993 CD.
2. springsteen in country: jamie o'neal mentioned driving around to "born to in the u.s.a." i believe in "brave" (i think it was) last year. in the late '80s or so, mac mcnally (i think -- i used to have a good best-of LP by him but don't anymore) i believe hit the country charts with a cover of sprinsteen's ("river"-era i believe?) rockabilly b-side "stand on it." so the phenomenon is not necessarily something new. i'm sure i'll think of other examples.
3. "she was country when country wasn't cool: a tribute to barbara mandrell" on now, and it's excellent. RIGHT now: brad paisley covering "in times like these," the original of which i don't think i ever heard before (it's not on the great 1979 MCD mandrell best-of on my shelf), but this version, at least, very BLATANTLY uses the same riff-rhythm that black sabbath used in "children of the grave" and blondie used in "call me". to determine whether it is metal country or disco country, one would have to figure out whether babs's original came out before or after 1980 i suppose. five songs in, what's otherwise amazing about this album is how that it reminds me how barbara mandrell's hits sounded as much like '70s soul music as '70s country music. even reba and kenny doing "i was country when country wasn't cool" has soul music in it. and "in the midnight oil," right now in gretchen's version, sounds like....well, i'm blanking out on '70s women soul singers. edd, give me a hint, okay? (okay now sara evans telling me that i can eat crackers in her bed any time. wow, what a sexy song. with a weird double meaning maybe?)
(dullest track by far so far is sung by willie and shelby, fwiw.)
4. bomshel album, apparently coming out on curb sometime soon, is very entertaining; my main misgiving, bizarrely, is i wish it was more emotional, though maybe the emotion will kick in like the goofiness has. "bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno. they also cover "the devil went down to georgia," and the devil's (prog/classical metal, i'm now realizing) fiddle solo still wins though of course they still don't admit it, and this time he's competing against a girl fiddle player named chrissie i think. bomshel are two girls themselves, one on fiddle and one on guitar, one (judging from their website and myspace page) who presents herself as a touch motorcycle chick and one who wears an almost b-52s-worthy wacky blonde bouffant. in "country music love song," they go to what appears to be a gay bar and talk to drag queens and transvestites. not exactly their kind of place, they tell us, but they seem to have a good time.
5. new tea leaf green album, *rock'n'roll band* earns its title. even better than the last one, for its instrumental parts, by which i mean mainly not only its guitar parts. the vocals, still deadhead mellow, don't grab me but also don't really bug me. if there are any other "jam bands" this listenable out there, i'd like to know who.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

(TOUGH motorcycle chick.) (and other typo corrections where that came from.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

also "i mean mainly BUT not only [the new tea leaf green album's] guitar parts." (dammit.)

dierks covering barbara's alleged "fast lanes and country roads" now. it rocks.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

and mandrell's 1979 best-of LP was on MCA. (does anybody remember her TV show? was it any good? better or worse than mac davis's??)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

(and oops, hadn't noticed; final track on mandrell CD is "he set my life to music" by cece winans, which doesn't seem great but still intrigues me. did barbara have a soul music following, at all? AMG [see below] doesn't list any r&b chart appearances, but who knows how those charts worked then. either way, i wouldn't be surprised.)

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE67818DE4EAD7E20C79A3A40CDAD67FD1BFE5AFB86112F0456D3B82D40AF1844C34FA39A81B8E576B466ADFF2EA21606D9C8EF5CFDDB764C40&sql=11:6gjveaw04xg7~T5

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

(also, those AMG tallies appear to be just albums, not singles.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

im really interested in mandrell, because she went from sueprstar to shut in so quickly, and all you see her in these days is specials about the history of soemthing or other...

how hard is it to find the box set on ebay or something?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know anything about any box set, Anthony.

Also great on the (potentially eddy 2006 top ten) mandrell tribute: leann rimes's over-the-top adult r&b "if loving you is wrong i don't want to be right" (apparently previously sung by bobby blue bland, the drifters, isaac hayes, luther ingram, the emotions, and most significantly in mandrell's case millie jackson -- she did other millie j. songs too, right? though i doubt she ever sat on a toilet taking a dumb on an LP cover); terri clark's rocking "sleeping single in a double bed"; blaine larsen's very jazzily western swinging "i wish that i could fall in love today." wow. (paisley's sabbath/blondie rhythm track turns out mainly to be a hard boogie.)

also, bruce's "stand on it" wasn't done by mac mcanaly (whoever he is -- i've heard he's good but not sure i've ever heard him); it was done by mel mcdaniel. i always get those two mixed up, but mcdaniel (of "louisiana saturday night" fame) is the one whose best-of album i was retarded to have gotten rid of once upon a time. (xgau's '80s book gives the LP with "stand on it" a B; the greatest hits a B+.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

(or taking a DUMP, for that matter.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

(barbara mandrell poos clouds.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't hear a lot of lyrics like "driving around listening to Pink Houses."

Well, Kenny Chesney talks about "Jack and Diane" (along with Steve Miller's "Keep On Rockin' Me Baby" --that's what he calls it; what is it really, just "Rockin' Me"? -- and Billy Joel's "Only The Good Die Young") in "Live Those Songs." That's one. (The Leather Nun talk about "Pink Houses" in "Pink House," but they probably don't count.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno.

ha, basically who it totally sounds like (except with a girl singing) is Rednex! (Was their "Cotton Eyed Joe" a two-step hit in the U.S., or only a techno dance hit in Europe? Now I need to know.)

Now Bomshel's totally unnecessary but perfectly entertaining "Devil Went Down to Georgia" cover is making me wonder about apparent non-sequiturs I never gave a moment's worth of thought to before:

"The devil's in the house of the rising sun": I'm assuming this means the whorehouse itself, and is hence a moral warning? Except the house is in New Orleans, and he's in Georgia. Dude gets around!

"Chicken's in the bed pan, pickin' out dough." Or at least that's what it sounds like. I guess it would make perfect sense if you work in a bakery. But what does it have to do with the rest of the song? Was Charlie appropriating an ancient square dance call, or what?

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

yep, ive heard the call on a couple of sqaure dance records i own, but i dont remember what its called, i will look it up in a second

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony, the Julie Roberts abomination (which should be the name of her band) is on its way. Nick Tosches' book Country: America's Biggest Music names the Hawaiian guy who's been credited with inventing "Hawaiian" guitar, and that book's usually accurate, but Nick adds, It's hard to believe he's the first one who thought of doing that to a guitar," and indeed, reading elsewhere about the history of dobros, use of bottles, knives and steel slides, all the way back to accounts of slaves stringing bailing wire along the sides of barns, and sliding rakes,etc back and forth, part of the appeal in the South might have been that Hawaiian and "Hawaiian" music basically sounded familiar, but also in a quaint new seeting (especially good for those of my own Appalachian ancestors who weren't too fond of black people, but liked some of their music). (While it's true that mah 'billies resisted being dragged into the Civil War, some also blamed the slaves for not conveniently rising up and slaughtering the planter class, nipping the war in the bud.(Thus the Klan was founded in the foothills, not the Black Belt, the cotton country, but that's where it really caught on, in a more lingering way. Alabama's own Nelstone's Hawaiians appear on Harry Smith's Smithsonian Anthology, which I don't have time to unearth rat now, but might tell more about it, and Nick's book and that xpost comp xhuxx cites. Yeah, in the record stores, I sold a lot of soul and country to the same people (white and black), and of course Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western was suffused in soul, duh, despite being a landmark of proto-countrypolitan (or the Nashville Sound, since I never heard the word "countrypolitan" til early 70s). And Elvis and Tony Joe White, xpost Rev. Hoodoo's and my exchange above, certainly did a lot that way, and the white bluecoller r&b connection was prob a big part of Springsteen's appeal in country (Gary Stewart was hyped as "the Springsteen of country" ca. '75, if not '74)Aretha and Al Green were doing really good country covers by the mid-70s, at least. (And we were talking about Stoney Edwards upthread, or was it last year's? Been a long year...) Anthony, Mandrell went full-steam for several years, and then had a really, really bad carwreck, dunno what else happened to her. I'll have to check that tribute, and Bomshel too. FarmAid's live on the web today,and you can link from their site: http://www.farmaid.org

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

i knew about the car wreck, i didnt know how bad it was, thanks for all the info don, i knew kind of bout what tosches wrote, but he seems to over simplify things

i still owe you jason mccoy (and edd, and someone else) aargh busy

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

chicken's in the BREAD pan not bed pan (which somebody is pooing clouds in instead.) speaking of country chicken, frank just emailed me this link. he says he prefers the song to (my single of the year) "chicken noodle soup." i don't, but i do like this regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM

it occurs to me that bombsel MIGHT be attempting a female version of big n rich's dual-harmony disco-country concept, in a way. their harmonies, if in fact they exist, are pretty close though. unless it's just one of the bombshell multi-tracked, i'm not sure yet.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

and ms. peachez reminds me: didn't sylvester have some countrified moments on his early blue thumb LPs with the hot band or whatever they were called? sadly, i no longer own them to check. (also, early chicago house music had certain country aspects as well, in its boogie woogie piano, etc. There was even an artist called Farm Boy!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

i gave that to frank, in a link, while figuring out minstelry, he told me not to be silly...im not sure i like it, but then i hate fun, so its all sorted

looking thru my sqaure dance books, i found something called the chicken reel but nothing with the line, chicken in the bread pan, picking up dough

http://www.ceder.net/choreo/patter_sayings.php4 but this song claims the two lines are:

Chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough
Big pig rootin' up the little tater now.

Chicken in the bread pan scratching out gravel,
get your maid & away you travel.

so i was right, but i dont have the dance patterns

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=4869

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of morons on that link:

"Country music definitely re-enforces redneck sister-fucking, whiskey-drinking, big-truck, cowboy retard stereotype as much as Yin Yang twins promote chicken-lovin, monkey-actin, small brained jigs. "

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of people who flunked Geography class too (unless they all live where Anthony does, which makes the entire lower 48 "the south.")

This guy seems pretty smart, though:

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Divide and conquer is what is abound. Folk on here talking about racial stereotypes, while using slurrs thats really proactive. The negative context of minstrel shows came from whites applying blackface and exploiting and using thier act to copy or ridicule blacks with talent. This was a case of wanting to enjoy black entertainment, as long as there were not any real blacks around. You can see later how these black influences later appeared in their dances, music and speech.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
A minstrel is a poor entertainer who performs for income, the musician, dancer, mime, poet or singer with a cup on the street could be considered a minstrel. I really find it ignorant for some to base the culture and intelligence of a whole group, based on the actions of a few entertainers, whom acting a fool for comedic value in an apparently on purpose manner. They are making a choice on how to express themselves through their medium. Do you think these people function in this manner all during their daily functions? If you do, who is really an ignorant fool.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Dont you find it odd, that the black people in region of this country that has taken the biggest and most severe forms of racism is accused of perpetuating racial stereotypes? Do you not think we have a firm grasp on what is truly harmful to not just us, but all people of color in this country?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Now its north vs south, with the north being most critical of music that if you used an unbiased analytical ear you will hear similar influences universally. Why must the aspiring efforts of others be ostrasiced because of your particular taste? Its one thing to be critical, but being contemptuous toward your own is new improved bigotry. Fact is, we are free people, we can dance, talk, eat and express ourselves without fear or worry of what others think, is this not America?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Finally, with all this talk about a drag queen cooking chicken, a teenager bragging about a chain and children making up a funny named dance, where is the criticism of the murder, drug dealing, drug using, violence and irresponsibility that has been present in the hip hop music of all regions for over two decades? I sense their are hypocrites with an agenda pushing this southern hate. They dont have to like our music, its enough of us that buy it, but this character assassination of general southern is a problem and can become a problem to northern people who visit and live here in the south, who wants to interact with someone who feels like that towards you?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

more:

http://blackademics.org/2006/09/25/everybody-want-a-piece-of-my-chicken/

Allyson makes some good points here; several other people do not.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

From what I can see, those websites mainly illustrate an issue of class. For relevant context, they should preferably be read with the Supremes' "I'm Living In Shame" playing in the background.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm enjoying the debut from Chris Young, who was on Nashville Star (though I've never seen the show, lacking cable myself.) "Burn" is my
favorite track thus far, but almost everything is nearly as good. He's
maybe/sorta traditional in a sense--the '80s version of trad--but has a rock feel mixed into several songs.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm Headed Your Way, Jose" by Chris Young is probably the most interesting (only) songs about illegal immigration I've ever heard.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

As songs of protest go, Tom Russell's "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall?" caps the "immigration debate" just about right.

New McMurtry sequel to "We Can't Make It Here" on his website isn't so hot.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ramon, you might need to listen to "José Perez León" by Los Tigres del Norte, or maybe their "Tres Veces Mojado".

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ramon, you need to hear "Born in East L.A." by Cheech y Chong.

Chris Young's "I'm Headed Your Way Jose" has a pretty neat conceipt -- come on up here and take my house and Chevrolet since I'm headed down there where things are better anyway and I'll give you a high five at the border -- though Chris seems somewhat deluded, needless to say, about what Jose's life down there is like. Though maybe the delusion is built into the song. Or maybe Chris's point is that his life down there would be better than Jose's is now, I'm not sure...

Rest of his album is seeming okay; kinda pedestrian, but then again I thought that about Trent Willmon's album at first (see above), and I was wrong. I'm in no rush, though; I'll definitely give it time.

Lost Trailers album, I decided, is this year's answer to the last (third) (only good) Warren Brothers album. Whatever that might mean. Either way, it's a keeper -- pretty consistent, if never quite great.

Spady Brannon's album is yet another lifeless songwriter demo tape.

And did I mention that Bomshel go into an amusing "the barn, the barn, the barn is on fire" chant in their stomp? Well, now I did.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot about "Born in East L.A." and "Illegal Alien" by Genesis.
And maybe the Offspring had something too. There are probably some L.A. hardcore acts with (anti?) immigration songs, but I doubt I'd like them.

I think I found the Chris Young song interesting because it's from a
country artist. When I saw the title I kind of cringed, thinking it was either the millionth iteration of the "I'm going to Mexico to drink you off my mind" or some gimmicky red meat for the Build-a-Wall folks.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

If only he didn't think Jose's life wasn't all siestas and fiestas. (By the time he gets to that part of the song, he's apparently forgotten the beginning, where he told us Jose's escaping to the U.S. for a better life. Weird. Cool mariachi horns, though.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

(Oops, get rid of half of my double negative in the first sentence.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's pretty perverse. Kind of like someone singing to a guy who lives in a D.C. ghetto and talking about how cool it is that the guy gets to vote on all those bills in congress.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

louisville sluggers to both headlights, names carved in leather seats, stuff blowing up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0aHQdA6Vg

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 8 October 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

damned dial-up makes watching youtube a pain in the arse. while I was in Boston, my technophile friend with hi-speed and I watched a bunch of that stuff. didn't see the one xhuckk links above, did see gilberto gil and the mutants doing "sunday in the park" live in 1967.

I found Chris Young's record pretty lame--he has no resonance in his voice, and sounds to me like a halfway good guy who won a talent competition...wait...and the backing, when you compare it to the best stuff this year, is stiff, predictable. the one where the family reunion gets crazy, owing to moonshine and granny slurring her words and the Gators and UT fans fighting, and then the park ranger comes in to break it up (see ya'll all next year!), that's a good idea. "José" strikes me as plain stupid, I mean "Everybody's talking about the aliens invading/While I'm saving every dime for a Mexican vacation." I admire this kind of...avidity, that is maybe the word, in the young man, and certainly, my heaven includes but is not limited to "hot women and cheap beer." Again, I kind of like the idea and far be it from me to warn anyone away from a trip to our sister country and all that. But he's just not much of a performer; and I find the obvious thinking behind this song--"Chris is as concerned about illegal immigration as anyone in Nashville, and he thought it would just be fun to defuse the situation with a little humor"--typical.


xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 8 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mindy Smith

Kelefa's reaction: "great".

My reaction: Not as terrible as I'd feared.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

A friend of mine who glories in irritating my ever-worsening TOby Keith obsession sends me this:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,2792,DRMN_54_5020454,00.html

- TK in "rock 'n' roll is dead" shocker
- TK in "lifelong registered democrat" bigger shocker.
- TK in sympathy with the tough life the likes of Sammy Hagar and Bon Jovi have in the modern world non-shocker.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I have been avoiding this thread because I keep meaning to post a list of the pile of country vinyl I picked up on my recent trip to the States. But I keep forgetting to write the list out, and so I've been skulking in doorways when I've seen the thread coming round the corner, hoping not to be noticed.

My brother bought me the Solomon Burke LP the other day, which was nice of him . I was a bit concerned it was going to be a horrible Unplugged / Later with Jools Holland reverencefest but it's not (all) like that. Oddly the best bits are when SB reins it in and doesn't overdo the King of Rock n Soul thing. The Emmylou song in particular's very fine, perhaps the secret to getting SB to make great records is to keep the cookie jar well-stocked.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

NEW YORK, NY, October 17, 2006— Fresh from their performance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, iconic rockers Def Leppard brought their hit concert tour to Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl on Friday night, where they were joined on stage by country music superstar Tim McGraw. McGraw made a special surprise guest appearance during the encore of the group’s smash hit “Pour Some Sugar On Me,” which undoubtedly brought the house down. The incredible duet was performed in front of thousands of screaming fans proving that the hysteria is never ending for Def Leppard.

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In other news, I have decided that I like both the Eric Church album and its single about over-the-counter pregnancy tests a lot, that I like the Chris Young album much more than Edd Hurt does (the family reunion song always makes me think of if John Anderson covered Chuck Berry's wedding song "You Never Can Tell," though Chris doesn't really sing like Jawn; "Center Of My World" has the same melody as Shooter Jennings' "4th of July" despite being a lot sappier; the price of gas song is better than the one on Billy Ray Cyrus's new album; "Burn" is great too and "Lay It On Me" is a good fast boogie woogie -- so yeah, he's pro forma, but still more fun than any Randy Travis or George Strait in recent memory); the new Billy Ray Cyrus album is pretty good anyway (the gas song and mullet song are completely shameles in great achy breaky tradition and "Lonely Wins" is basically John Cougar's "Lonely Old Night" with new words and the duet with Miley is very nice and "It Wouldn't Be Me" sounds exactly either like some great Glen Campbell song or some great song by somebody else that reminded me of Glen Campbell once); and Trace Adkins is probably a despicable asshole (though his line about the first ammendment protecting you against the government but not his fist still cracks me up) but his new album is good enough to keep regardless thanks to its two shameless disco-country songs and "The Stubborn One," which is awesome, not to mention about his grandpa.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

(Though obviously, duh, "Lonely Wins" doesn't change all of "Lonely Old Night"'s words. Also, "Lonely Wins" may be the better dance song. Though not a better dance song than "Thundering Hearts.")

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

ah, I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake in the way he sings. plus the whole thing sounds really clunky to me. but xhuxk's point on the family-reunion song and Chuck Berry and John Anderson is well-taken, so I'll give it another chance. I like the idea of the Chris Young record, but so far...

decided that the great song on new Montgomery Gentry is "A Man's Job," because it's the funniest. "Redder" strikes me as pretty dumb, since they talk about celebrating redneckdom, "don't get redder than that" but they never really come out and say what it is they're doing to be so red. What I've found interesting about MG, listening to their old records again with the new one and having interviewed Eddie last week, is the way they do twin guitars like in the old days, and how adventurous they can be, musically. What I find sort of offputting, as always, are those choruses, like the title song on the new one. "Here's to the strong/Here's to the brave/Against all odds/Against the grain." Kind of stupid compared to the rest of the song, which I quite like. "Free Ride," the last song, is also a good one. I like them but can't take them for very long. Wait, "having too much fun and laughing too loud all night" is how they show their "country class/ass." I dunno, I mean this convenience store I stop at, at the top of the ridge going up from Nashville, is a real, er, redneck place, and man are those folks fucking loud--a real extended-family-clan-affirmation thing on a really loud level, around about 5:15 in the afternoon. I don't think I could be that loud if I tried, although these folks have the virtue of being extremely direct; they have a direct, penetrating gaze. That's who M-G are singing about, and they get it. But as with Chris Young, I guess, they seem to me able to benefit from more detail in their lyrics, which is why I fucking love "A Man's Job" on the new MG; great music, great lope, and they sing it really well and it's funny. (Eddie, I think, found my comment about the great use of "boy toy" in this one real amusing. And he was a bit coached, but seemed totally sincere when he talked about how his dad used this black gospel group and horns to play country clubs in Ky. back in the '60s and '70s.)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that fits with the soul side of Kentucky Headhunters, and KY's own Nappy Roots. I'm very intrigued by the idea of Jawn (known as that cause he sings like that, chawin' his awe, a bull who knows howww to git with the cowwws, under thuh moooon) doing the speedy brilliant Cajun-gloss ""C'est La Vie (You Never Can Tell)"--! Oh, somebody I surely must have heard before (but surely I'd remember?) is Jon Dee Graham, doing a brief set on Public Radio's Woodsongs: gravelly vibrato balancing and balanced by clear, non-pedantic diction, and good words, good tunes. Hate to hype something that may not withstand CD scrutiny, but sure had some of the better qualities of Seger and Graham Parker (in their prime, or maybe even past Seger's, since I like the later stuff that I've heard). A song about his kid that breaks the Kogan Rule ("Country songs about kids always suck," so maybe it isn't country), and one where he goes to perform in Amsterdam and is walking around, seeing the sights, including a demurely clothed Muslim girl, whom he tells (in song only, prob) "I love you, but not in that Western way." Discreet music. (He was "followed" by Tres Chicas, but they couldn't really.)Are his albums good?

don (dow), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think JDG's Summerland is some kinda great. Dude guy can play guitar--sorta like a punk Bill Kirchen with a Strat (which maybe means not like Kirchen at all)--and his tunes always stick with me. I've hummed "A Place In the Shade" through every summer since I heard it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get past Chris Young's voice--he sounds just like any number of talent-show vocalists, something really disgusting and fake

I gotta say I don't hear this at all, and I honestly have no idea what Edd's talking about here. To me Young just sounds like a pop-country singer with a good voice. He has no problem putting songs over. Then again, I don't watch many talent shows, so what do I know?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

(I also would have no idea that Chris had ever been a contestant in one if I hadn't read this thread. And I gotta wonder if, he hadn't, whether Edd would still hear "talent show singer" in his voice... Like I said, not a great album, but a consistently entertaining and listenable one -- even that ridiculous illegal immigration song.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

(And there's also a point to be made, of course, about how some of the more effective vocalists in the past few years - Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, er, other people right? - are in fact graduates of talent shows themselves. And they don't all sing the same as each other. So I'm not all that sure "talent show singer" is an insult...)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Miranda Lambert.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

If there's any knock against talent show performers it's that they overdo the melisma--something I wouldn't accuse Chris Young of.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)


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