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Animal Collective definitely goes for - and achieves - more of a connection with the audience. They played a clear cut set, with nice regular guy banter in between songs (the singer kept seeming genuinely shocked by all the applause in between songs, saying "jeez, thanks - it's sweet to play here!"). Black Dice are more intense -- no breaks during the set, bursts of noise, no acknowledgement of the crowd. It's just a different thing altogether.
Did you get a Wastered 12", Dean? I am dying to hear that thing! Was Acid Mother's Temple at the Echo too?

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I picked up a couple up on Saturday. In fact, the merch guy seemingly gave me a bit of attitude when I asked to buy two copies.

AMT was at Spaceland one night and KF the next. The KF show was awesome because no one was there, but the a/c was out and it was HOT AS FUCK. They were selling $1 Rolling Rocks to make up for it.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance or music theater. For me, I do not care if they acknowledge their audience and if I was living in '73 then I would not fault Tangerine Dream for not interacting with the crowd, too.

I go see BD because their music in the live setting is so much more visceral, huge and physical than when I play their records in my home. I find recorded-BD and live-BD as two related but vastly difference perspectives of the same band like two wildly different photographs of the same person.

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Good for you. But Pitchfork doesn't tell LA hipsters to expect that, so they don't stick around ;D

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you calling yourself an "L.A. hipster" because you were the one who I thought expressed dissappointment in BD's lack of interaction with the crowd? I'm confused...

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I said that I don't feel like seeing them live adds anything to the music. I enjoyed it in spite of that. I'm also saying that the lack of audience participation is probably why so many people left. Also, the Echo show was delayed, so that may have had something to do with it as well.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

After seeing them 2x on this tour, I began to wonder just how much of Black Dice's set is canned?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Does "canned" mean pre-recorded or something like that?

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Gygax, you can't plan that kind of equipment failure.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"canned" means bjorn loading in 3 minidiscs into his sampler/equipment about 5 minutes before "showtime".

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It definitely seems that way, judging from the two nights that I saw them. It baffles me even more then that they'd cut Hisham and the drums out of the band completely when that brought some kinetic energy to their set. If they were going to focus on playing galleries and such, then I could see that decision being a lot easier, but you've got to figure that doing a tour sans drummer would be rough. I'm sure they did though and don't care.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance"
?!?!?! You just go for the $6 beers, and if they happen to decide to hold one on the night you bought a ticket for, it's a nice bonus?
I wasn't upset with Black Dice's lack of interaction; I was just noting it... I thought they were pretty fantastic. It was my first time seeing them post-drummer (and on the West Coast).

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

>I began to wonder just how much of Black Dice's set is canned?

I would personally say: a great deal.

― (Jon L), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

me too

I have Panda Bear's first album - Wifey thinks parts of it sound like Amnesiac-era Radiohead and, though I'd never have drawn that conclusion myself, that seems kinda accurate. It's not too good, in retrospect.

The song "Fire" from it is pretty decent.

it isn't slskable?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, milton! i knew you'd know.

it would be great if there was more of an equipment failure in BD's sets and they'd have to revert back to SEMEN OF THE SUN.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

they should incorporate inevitable equip. failure into their show. make it like theatre. i could use sparks and pyro, also.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

They should become Fisherspooner is what I'm saying.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

They can aim higher than that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Like the Associates or something.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't notice any mistakes! :*

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

do they still try to start fights and throw bottles?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog-

Why the sarcasm?
Why edit my quote to change its meaning?
Why jump on me when my point was in contrast to Dean?'s very valid take on BD live (which I am not saying is wrong in any way just diff. than mine.)

The full sentence that I originally wrote was
"I do not go see Black Dice live in order to witness a performance OR MUSIC THEATER."

Maybe I am not making my point. What I am saying is I do not experience Black Dive live like I would, say the Stooges or any other group that performs in the words purest sense like Frank Sinatra or Bowie or Liza or whomever. They move; they dance, they are personalities and their performances work as a form of theater, too. I would not expect this from BD. Half the time my eyes are closed and/or they are not in my field of vision. But, I love their sound via huge fucking PA's.

Does this make sense? Or, is my point still so totally foriegn that the only response possible is sarcasm? I hope not.

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody catch Ariel Pink's set at the Echo?

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Justin, you're right -- the sarcasm was uncalled for (and was more in response to the phrasing than the sentiment). And I wasn't being totally honest when I said I was simply "noting" that Black Dice don't offer up any interaction. I do find it to be a little too... expected maybe? Predictable? I mean, I find a lot of elements of the noise/avant scene to be so elitist and standoffish, and I felt like the Black Dice show was a bit of a bummer since it almost encouraged this sort of vibe. (again, whereas Animal Collective seemed genuinely appreciative and cool). Of course, this response to Black Dice is more of a kneejerk thing at this point -- I know the band's vibe and know what to expect, having seen them before at a couple different points in their existance -- and it's really even irrelevant, since I thoroughly enjoy their albums and the live show!
So, yeah, I was distilling your comment into a prejudiced caricature of a Black Dice fan -- so hardcore that he doesn't go to the show to see a performance -- he goes for the pure, uncut, cooler-than-thou VIBE! Which was unfair of me.

And just as a helpful tip to you: At this point in a thread, Jon Williams usually steps in here to say "Shut up, Ben, what do you know? You like Dave Matthews" and it gets me to shut up, since he's right.

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's cool. BTW- I am not very hip or cool. I simply morph into a total stoner whenever I go see Animal Collective and Black Dice. Sad but true. :)
^is this still an acceptable symbol to use in '04?

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody catch Ariel Pink's set at the Echo?

Yes ... unfortunately.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And I say that mainly because I wanted to show up at 10:30, figuring that I would miss Ariel Pink, esp. since the venue listed AC as going on at 10:30. Still, Ariel Pink when on at around 10:35. I'm just thankful that I don't still fall for showing up at whatever time is listed on the ticket.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti have something out on Paw Tracks? What does it/he/they sound like?

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

His music sounded like something that I might enjoy very much on album but not live, at least, not at the Echo that night. It sounded like spooky pop? Like you were hearing these odd pop songs through an AM radio.

I was mostly bothered by him constantly shouting demands to the soundboard - turn off the delay, more vocals in the monitor, less delay, ok i want the delay back - and his seeming lack of interest in just performing. It wasn't like these were highly crafted songs, so they didn't seem to need all of the fuss that was being made over them.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

beyond description home recording one man band who balances do-anything pop genius with methamphetamine jumble. His pevious releases "House Arrest" and "Worn Copy" are instant classics. I always play these for late night hangers on and impress them without exception. I can't imagine how he would manage a live show, but maybe he can't(?)

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I got the impression that he hadn't performed a lot. His reaction to things seemed to indicate that.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
or maybe these people aren't to be listened to? eh, sexy?

― duke dance, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still interested in hearing the album though, fwiw.

― dean? (deangulberry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"pevious" should be "pervious"

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, "totally fucking perverted."

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

yr projectin' now

― duke overhead, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say, his website is completely genius (and also really sweet): http://www.arielpink.com/pages/1/index.htm

I am suddenly deeply curious to hear this. What about "The Doldrums," Sexy? That seems to be the easiest to find...

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

nope it ain't out yet. house arrest/lover boy on cdbaby.com?
we've got 'worn copy,' or also rhystop's site...

― duke pink, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cdbaby.com/cd/arielpink

― duke here, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

and/or open this on a player, called "alisa"

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/arielpink-09.m3u

― duke check, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

"Just how great is the new Animal Collective and Vashti Bunyan EP?! More on this later." - geeta

as I said over there: O.M.G.W.T.F? details!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

MOST OVERRATED BAND IN NEW YORK

― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

spirit they've vanished is good, ian. so is the campfire songs cd. here comes the indian is alright, good in places. sung tongs no thanks yeah yr right.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The only one I really dig is Campfire Songs; I don't get what the big deal is re: the rest. Though I haven't heard the live LP.

― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Animal Collective + Vashti Bunyan details, please!

― Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you liked the Animal Collective Ian? Personally I hear knew things every time I hear Sung Tongs. They're like an acoustic Boards of Canada or a primate Beach Boys or something.
Not so keen on the early electronick-ish stuff though. I'm still wrapping my head round Campfire and ...Indian too.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really hate Animal Collective, which it may seem like, but I don't think they deserve all the praise they're getting. Again, I quite like the Campfire Songs album. Sung Tongs is just Olivia Tremor Control redux, and the rest don't grab me as particularly interesting or innovative.

― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, so you took acid and went camping. We get it already

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 6 March 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"They're like an acoustic Boards of Canada or a primate Beach Boys or something" = you make them sound like the worst band ever, dl.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 March 2005 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

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