BEARDO DISCO (finally fixed for vahid) - not idjuts / lindstrom

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yeah the Lordy is pretty cool.

There's a new white label on Feedelity, just called "Another Station", it's kind of erm........hands in the air piano eupohoria!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

ok...captainjc mentioned that but wasn't sure...Carlos throws the No Ordinary Monkey parties in NY.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps off topic, but since such luminaries are gathered here, I wanted to ask if anyone has heard/has opinions of $tinkworx (http://www.discogs.com/artist/$tinkworx). I discovered a bit back that he is local to me, and he is djing tonight at what is a tiny little sandwich shop/used book store by day. Opinions?

― matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't he run the Down Low label? I've heard good things about his music, though haven't heard it myself. Supposedly a big Italo geek and collector, too.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he does run Down Low. I went to their site (http://www.downlowmusic.org), and it all sounds quite nice to me, although there aren't many actual $tinkworx releases. As far as the Italo geek think, I believe he supposed to be big on that stuff.

― matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

I've decided to try trace the roots of this whole thing in a series of posts on my blog www.aythtok.blogspot.com , its gonna be pretty freeform and unspecific. I don't want Andre Bumrocks calling me a geek.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

being pedantic about the whole thing, I think "disco" is more appropriate then "house" in these contexts. And the weirdest thing is the disconnect between "italo-disco" and "cosmic". I think in the present day, a lot of people are informed by both, as they've both had revivals in the last few years, but at the time, the Cosmic pioneers claimed to not care for italo-disco...which may not be suprising because at the time the term italo-disco began being used, and Cosmic was at it's height, italo was at it's most pop and cheesiest phase.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Noted.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Get some MP3 interviews with Harvey (and Danny Krivit, Kirk Degiorgio, Hank Shocklee, Morgan Geist and more) from here...

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html

I prefer 'bearded house' to 'bearded disco' for some reason, even if it's not as right. People being into cosmic and Italo isn't that surprising, in the same way that a lot of people are into, say, 60s psych and Animated Egg type 60s psychsploitation now, whereas at the time the latter would have been totally uncool and even, maybe, a betrayal. Time erases tribal differences.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

i think house would be more apt a term for *now* - a lot of these guys were definitely playing house and techno before italo and this "cosmic" thing got its own thread on ilm. ;)

great site, thanks

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

part of me just wants to avoid new usage of old terms to mean new things, the way Electro used to mean breakdance and now means Depeche Mode.

From now on, we have to refer to the current sounds as:

Beardo Kosmiche Cosmicª

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Are these RBMA/Odeo podcast links all dead ?

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

No, cuz I downloaded 'em about three hours ago (pressing on the MP3 button.) The site was a bit slow though.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

And I got the LArry Heard and Legowelt ones coming down now.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I must be a bit thick or something

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Eh? Have you got'em? Just click on the button that sez MP3 to the right of the picture. They're not really podcasts, just d/lable MP3s.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't say mp3 anywhere on that page (as displayed by Firefox under Windows). All links go to different "odeo.com/show/123456/view" URLs which never respond.

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Weird! The links respond for me on Firefox version 1.5. In fact, even if I type in your made up "odeo.com/show/123456/view" address I get an option to d/l an MP3 of "ZEPH CHATS HOW THE ABSTRACT GETS AT THE SOUL. WISDOM WICH PASSES AT THE SPIRIT, OLD, YOUNG, IT DOES NOT MATTER, ALWAYS BE EAGER AS A CHILD TO LEARN NEW THINGS"!

If you, or anyone else interested, still can't get 'em tomorrow leave a note here and I'll YSI 'em.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see then, it's one of those crack-in-the-fabric-of-the-universe things, I get that all the time.

― Zeph (blunt), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Dexterity, my co-blogger, just posted about how the whole 45 at 33 thing was also a phenomenon in South Africa in the nineties. Interesting read. More of this to come. www.aythtok.blogspot.com

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Tangentially relevant...

Cabaret is a new monthly party on the last Saturday of every month at Capone's. Featuring disco classico y obscura, tape edits, video loops, and unreleased goodies. Dress to sweat! With dj sets by Escort each month and a rotating cast of very special monthly guests. FREE!

― Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

the whole 45 at 33 thing

this reminded me of seeing d@n h0ugland play the first track of Pavement's Watery Domestic at 33 (it was really good) and got me thinking, do excepter fit into this? i've only seen them once and never heard the records but they do some house beats, right?
maybe more since porkchop joined?

― duke fan, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

haven't seen them in a while but I figured Nathan did more of the drum programming. He's in the band right? And I know he's got an MPC or something. But I guess it's a third about how dancey they want to get, a third about hot its marketed/sold/perceived i.e., to what degree is it on the radar of more conventional unconventional "dance" djs, and finally, how far are those DJs willing to go? The easy solution would be to get some hipster producer to remix a track, that's like the key that unlocks the door, that says "hey DJs, you can play Excepter because like, DFA remixed it!"

what do you think, excepter?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

ps - how much do you figure DFA charges for a remix? Lindstrom?

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Hey Duke Fan -

I think D@n H0ugl@nd needs to DJ more often. I've never heard the m@n play anything less than a killer set.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

lindstrom only accept payment in meatballs. last i heard they were asking for around 2000.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

That converts to 8200 quid in UK money! Fuck!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

oh you guys

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps this, too, should be it's own thread and maybe there is one but I couldn't find it. But is there a remotely definitive Italo Disco collection on cd? It looks like ZYX puts out about 20 of them a year, but is there at least a good, perhaps multi-disc, place to start?

― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

there's definately been threads, but the easiest way to start is by downloading Mixed Up At the Hague from:

http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/home/?page=mixage1

and listen to the Cybernetic radio station.

2 good and hip italo comps are Environ's Unclassics, and Irma's I-Robots.

The ZYX stuff is expansive and covers italo from the viewpoint of the eastern-european italo fans, who tend to like stuff a lot cheesier then most of us.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

just to say I really like the campfire mixcd, and for me the "errors" in the mix makes the charm of the cd and it goes well with the random sounds and the spaced out selection, great mix....

so I dunno if I missed it, but that aNYthing mixcd thing was finally posted ?

would love to hear it.

thanks

― myninecanpiss, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Dan. I've got Unclassics and really enjoy it. Discogs tells me that I-Robots is largely instrumental, which is disappointing cause I like the very special vocals. I'm tempted to give one of those ZYX collections a whirl just to see, but I have no clue where to start. I loved the Pineapples and M&G tracks from this post on the fourfour blog. Any others in that general realm you would recommend?

― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

mixed up in the hague is prob the best - actually you should go on slsk and search "italo". I know there are several people (including me) sharing folders full of stuff

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

so I dunno if I missed it, but that aNYthing mixcd thing was finally posted ?

Nah, it never showed. I'd love to hear it.

I've got a review of that Campfire mix going up on Stylus, err, whenever they put it up.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, found the thread I shoulda been posting on here: Italo Disco RFI

― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:57 (twenty years ago)

go grab Amadeo - Memories over at Bumrocks ....

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Renard.

― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

if you can find that italo de ruggerio mix, I think fezaffe linked it. I almost prefer it to any of the more well known mixes. if not I can YSI.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

the best vocal italo stuff hasn't really been comped, because the compies so far have been coming from a techno/electro background, and for some CRAZY reason, prefer the instrumentals (whether it's I-Robots feat. Dharma's instrumental, or the bootleg w/ Amin Peck minus vocals). There's plenty online, and just search italo there's been a bunch of threads where people, myself included, have listed our favorite songs, most of which are on soulseek, often ripped from one of those I Love Disco Diamonds or ZYX comps. Rich's post was great and I'd never heard some of the stuff he was sharing.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

The lack of vocals on "Dirty Talk" is probably Mixed Up @ the Hague's solitary flaw.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

the flipside being that he used, albeit briefly, the vocal of Sun-La-Shan's Catch, while I-Robots uses the dub. I'm still looking if anyone even has an mp3 of the vocal version of Catch. Maybe I'll find the 12"...maybe.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)

The lack of vocals on "Dirty Talk" is probably Mixed Up @ the Hague's solitary flaw.

i thought i knew the song until i heard the vocal version. makes it 100x better.

― brokeback titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 26 January 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

first of all, let me say i am VERY disappointed w/ my thread. WTF people? take yr italo-discussion to the italo-thread!

second, what's up with the "mixing / not mixing" red herring? the rub + tug mix, harvey's mixes, glimmer twins mixes - all perfectly beatmatched. ok rub+tug are a bit sloppy w/ the feedback. so what? so are plenty of other (non beardo) sound systems.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Last post on this here vahid, I promise from the bottom of my heart.

What is this "italo de ruggerio mix" Ronan? I'd definitely be interested. And I am definitely enjoying the Hague mix.

― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

ARRRRGGGGGHHH

ok, let me try to distract y'all from italo by bringing up a couple of issues that will have some people frothing

is beardo the new big beat? is beardo indebted to big beat? i was listening to cut la roc's FSUK4 and i'm thinking - very beardo! lip service to rap, heavy funk+disco influence, lots of hip-hop cut-up influence.

second, where do electronic acts w/ strong rock influences fit in? greenskeepers? trabant? twinnie? captain comatose? seems sort of unfair to ignore these guys just because they don't use live drums / perc.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

beardo and big beat both love the classic rock? The difference being, which classic rock?

Alec D., music director of APT, made 2 volumes of italo mixes. Gomma hosted them for a while and I'm sure they're all over soulseek. Other Music sold them as well. I got mine as a gift from Italo himself.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

that latter part being the response to "What is this "italo de ruggerio mix""

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

The new big beat....sheeeyid, I hope not. It'll end in tears. I reckon prog would have a definite connection here. Interesting how it was also connected to the ambient scene in the early nineties, System 7 and all that stuff. Also Fleetwood Mac being used on chill out by KLF. Lucious did a mix for Market Frenzy that was all prog, would highly reccomend it. Then there's the new track on bumrocks, a Grateful Dead edit, done by the chap at Market Frenzy apparently.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Here's the Rub 'n' Tug mix cd:

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08H87IPDG7BZK1PKGD8GLEF3WR

At 128kbps to cut down on the file size a bit. Sorry it took so long, the CD was squirreled away in a closet for some reason. Let me know if the YSI link expires and I'll re-up it.

― telephone thing, Sunday, 29 January 2006 07:20 (twenty years ago)

To my surprise, I like the Grateful Dead track on bumrocks, and I have never like them.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Sunday, 29 January 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)

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