NYC ilxors: I am calling you out

this is my kind of show. 6 bucks and close to home. plus, i don't know what to expect! that's a big plus with me. (this is at the flywheel in easthampton. a COLLECTIVE owned by everyone, man!)

8:00 $6

J. GRAF
Coming up from Baltimore, the amazing electronic noise magician who has done fabulous work with the duo Metalux and many other collaborations and solo works of note.

...OUTERSPACE
John Elliot from Emeralds.

DRAINOLITH
Alexander Moskos from Aids Wolf.

SALAMANDER WOOL
also from B'more is Carson Garhart from Sejayno. Both of his projects have an LP on Ehse Records.

ralph white and dredd foole show at the flywheel should be good too. again, only six bucks.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism. people doing more stuff on their own for local folks and not caring - or even hoping anymore - that they are gonna hit it big anytime soon. so there just seems to be more of an emphasis on DIY fun. people putting out their own stuff, selling their own stuff, booking their own shows. and when people tour its more of an excuse to take a vacation from their day job than an opportunity to become discovered or be the next big thing. everyone who plays here just seems genuinely happy to be playing for people and they don't really want anything more. they certainly don't want to be the next lightning bolt or whatever. i'm sure there are still lots of people out there with ambition and drive for glory, but with so few pots of gold over the rainbow out there people have become more realistic in a sense. playing for laughs and for your friends is way more satisfying than jumping through hoops for some label schmuck if you ask me. and i realize this means that a lot of great musicians get stuck working at whole foods or giving tons of guitar lessons instead of touring the world, but whole foods isn't that bad and SOMEONE has to teach bored kids how to play the guitar. also, people are less and less willing to pay big money for big shows. so they are seeking out the free folk festivals and jazz in the park afternoons and whatever else is nearby and free. and i think that's great. i really do.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism.

instead we have 100,000 wantrepreneur chillwave morons fighting for valuable altered zones space

feelin sympathetic to all the NYC ilxors who got called out on this controversial thread. keep your chins up guys.

thanks bro - woke up feelin guilty about my insufficient love of music

I knew you would see it through.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism. people doing more stuff on their own for local folks and not caring - or even hoping anymore - that they are gonna hit it big anytime soon.

Very much seeing that out here. Around my neck of the woods alone Acrobatics Everyday pretty much willed something like it into existence.

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yeah scott is otm on that - and people do listen. like i was telling ned my teenage son digs up weird homemade freak-folk singers and obscure DJ mixes out of nowhere to supplement his top 40 diet.

i could be crazy but i think one of the hidden benefits of the destruction of the record industry is a new local yokelism.

I've been thinking the same thing, that it's gonna go from "Hey, have you heard this record?" to "There's this guy in my town who's a really great guitar player."

this thread speaks to me cuz there was just this big 2-day music fest in town with lots of acts i liked and i was all, ew, stand outside for 2 days listening to bands with my friends? and then later, i felt regretful

^ true story

last time i saw live outdoor music it was a terrible local metal band (sounded like pantera if none of the members had learned to play in unison yet and if their equipment kept shorting out every five minutes) at a motorcycle event. on the plus side, i got to have funnel cake.

i sympathize with peeps who dont like all the detritus of going to show if your buds arent around. then again missing bands i like always makes me feel guilty for missing LIFE and shit.

dilemma imo

yeah but at the same time i can count the number of LIFE CHANGING GIGS i've seen on six fingers and would need a calculator and a 20-year calendar to count up the total number of gigs i've seen and after a while the cost to effectiveness ratio starts to fuck with an older gentleman.

not that EVERY show has to be "life changing" but still.

oh ya totally. but the same thing goes with parties or any social events... what if its THE ONE

maybe Dylan going electric would've gotten more fan support if funnel cake had been served.

i'm also at that point where show-going isn't an all-night (or all-day) socializing activity for me, and so with the "let's all hang out!" aspect removed, if the bands suck (or are just faffing their way through it), i get kinda cranky.

jesus what are you going to be like when you are actually old? i shudder to think.

scott i have been waiting to be old since i was like 9. don't think this is me complaining.

too lazy to read this thread and c'mon, we're new yorkers, we're supposed to be jaded. I probably won't even go see neo-Neu! tomorrow night, though I will probably go see the XX. But in the end aren't we all too busy sitting around trying to figure out how to pay the rent? I don't know, i stopped going out regularly around 7 years ago, and for the record that was BEFORE I met my girlfriend. I did go to TWO shows at Bruar Falls last week though, so maybe I'm coming back.

Real answer: Not enough chairs at shows.

oh ya totally. but the same thing goes with parties or any social events... what if its THE ONE

― the itsytitchyschneider (s1ocki), Thursday, August 5, 2010 10:30 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the ones you don't go to are always THE ONE

I think Lincoln Center, where the neo-Neu! show is happening, actually does provide chairs for its outdoor shows. Now I've said that, I fully expect to be trampled underfoot by thundering herds of NYC-based ILM board members on their once-yearly outing to a show.

What if you go to the show and everybody else thinks it was THE ONE, but you just couldn't get into it? Isn't the resulting isolation worse than if you had stayed home?

no because at least u know u tried - can blame externals instead of ur own sad self

I will go see Beak> and People of the North at Bowery though, which I just found out about thanks to this thread. At least that one I can drive home quickly from.

I've no idea how the NYC ATP works but I'll happily rep for the UK events that I've been attending since around 2002. The chalets aren't exactly luxurious but there's a degree of comfort there that yr average 35+ music lover might appreciate more than putting a tent up in a muddy field.

Every stage is indoor. There are rarely queues for anything (though there have been a couple of problems in recent years at Minehead with bigger acts on the main stage) and it's never overcrowded. I can't remember seeing a fight or hearing of anyone having any serious trouble - everything feels safe. If you don't want to see ten bands a day (like, e.g. my partner who isn't overly into music but comes with me every year) there's plenty to amuse yourself with around the site or a huge beach nearby if the weather's good. It's all a wee bit old-farty and chin/beard-stroking (lots of beards!) at times but it's still a lot of fun and the events are small and intimate enough that you usually get a chance to talk to the bands. Almost every time I've been there's been at least one band that has grabbed my attention and got me enthusing to disinterested friends for weeks.

The line-ups of the ones I have attended have, on the whole, slanted heavily towards post-rock and math-rock with a smattering of noise and old post-punk/new wave bands and the occasional token hip hop or dance act so if that's not your thing I wouldn't recommend it - though there have been curators that have gone against the grain a couple of times.

Last but not least, you tend to meet good people.

The line-ups of the ones I have attended have, on the whole, slanted heavily towards post-rock and math-rock with a smattering of noise and old post-punk/new wave bands and the occasional token hip hop or dance act so if that's not your thing I wouldn't recommend it

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

That is why with age I turned into a jazz d-bag.

the place on the corner three doors down from my shop is gonna open and have jazz shows regularly and i am SIKED! one way to get me to a show is have it be 50 feet from me. plus, tapas!

I'm working the door at my friend's house show in a few weeks because of the promise of liquor-filled cupcakes

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

I think this year's lineup is the most homogeneous/indie-tailored they have put forth thus far in the US but thinking back on past stateside ATPs I've seen Terry Riley, Jackie-O Motherfucker, The Magic Band, Cannibal Ox, Harmonia, Aphex Twin, The Cramps, Anti-Pop Consortium, James Chance, Billy Childish, My Bloody Valentine, and Suicide at various events. If that's a "decidedly narrow subset," then I'm just more narrow-minded than I thought.

you are more narrow-minded than you thought

That group of bands is legitimately considered a "narrow subset?"

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

yeah that's a normal narrowness of subset for any festival or thing, really. i don't know, it's not i wouldn't be able to tell a canibal ox song from an mbv one but it's not like you went to see miley cyrus open for cannibal corpse or something. they're all loosely experimental, big deal avant-garde dudes with semi-classic albums under their belts, or influential older weirdos reuniting.

that's pretty irrelevant, though, festivals aren't supposed to be a projection of your openmindedness and it would be retarded if they were. atp is like, a festival really finely geared towards people like whiney. it's not "something for everyone" who loves music

man scott's post upthread is maybe the greatest and most dear to the center of my heart ilx truth bomb i have ever read. i want to get the words "new local yokelism" tattooed to the inside of my brain

Compile a collection based on that idea and then don't actually release it.

Yeah, Scott's post is great. That was essentially my life for about 10 years.

Also, he mentioned Horse Spirit Penetrates at some point in a recent thread (this one i think). Kieran is a great guy, want very much to see HSP at some point!

Have several really fond memories of Groundmonkeys, his previous band, whom I never would have seen without the very locally generated small-time show scene in Virginia I was lucky enough to be around at the time.

From what I remember (this was several hundred shows ago) Horse Spirit Penetrates were pretty great live.

Cool, maybe I'll get my chance.

Longtime ago show I saw that was amazing: Groundmonkeys, White Mice, USAisaMonster, and Lightning Bolt. All very good live bands.

Groundmonkeys played here once, I've got a cd! They played with Buddyship, iirc, who were also excellent.

Yeah, AT and Jeremy can be pretty wild. Kinda derailing thread, sorry. Reminiscing. ATs band Necronomitron was really great live as well. Crazy single-kick pedal playing by that drummer.

Alright, back to festivals being difficult and live shows being sometimes boring ...

Sorry, AT and Jeremy are Buddyship, lame to name drop. Fun band for sure. Just good folks I am fond of, not trying to be all "I was there".

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

― markers, Thursday, August 5, 2010 1:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

To people in the "real world," the subset is "bands I've never heard of."

indeed

"real world" = pitchfork round these here parts iirc

I can personally attest to the awesome live show experiences of USAisamonster (RIP) White Mice and Lightning Bolt - separate shows though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7exiE8m_3hI