worst rap song to top the Billboard Hot 100 in the '90s

:/ yeah, I love you too.

j0rdan, don't waste your time on the p.m. dawn bullshit.

listen to some damn madonna tho

SS, we were agreeing on something the other day, I forget what tho

i did not know that pm dawn were considered to be one of those acts that everyone had to hear. rev otm tho, listen to some damn madonna.

also soulja boy's entire thing is that he's young and dumb and kinda gonzo, so when he slips into dumb/offensive from dumb/entertaining, you just roll your eyes. mia's entire thing is that she's a smart political artist who's ~opening your eyez~ so the gap between the image she's trying to sell us and what she actually says is a lot wider than soulja boy's.

I will also cease any below the belt uffie zings since you've said that the album sucks

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I wasn't acutally aware that ever happened, but good for us!

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I'm so tired of defending M.I.A. at this point. Keep those double-standards comin', folks.

yeah, I can admit when I'm wrong. being an adult is great!

lol

tbh i don't think i've heard "jump" since the mid-90s

WIKI-WIKI-WILD-WILD WEST

don't think i've heard "wild wild west" since it was a hit either

God those lyrics are hilarious

totally!

kinda hilarious after the argument earlier that "wild wild west"'s lyrics allude to "ghostbusters"

the thread where wgw imbedded a www autoplay was classic tho

Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
Kris Kross - "Jump"
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
Snow - "Informer"
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"
Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"

Almost everything here is straight-up classic. Voting I'll Be Missing You.

Oh man, I wish I had heard Wild, Wild West back when it came out. That was close to the peak of my Stevie Wonder fandom and I hadn't yet fully reconciled myself with sampling yet. My head would have exploded. I probably would have written Will Smith a mean letter.

That's a pretty awesome list, here's how I'd rank them:

1. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
2. 2Pac - "How Do U Want It" / "California Love"
3. Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise"
4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"
6. Sir Mix-A-Lot - "Baby Got Back"
7. Snow - "Informer"
8. Notorious BIG ft Puff Daddy and Mase - "Mo Money Mo Problems"
9. Kris Kross - "Jump"
10. Lauryn Hill - "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
11. Will Smith - "Getting Jiggy With It"
12. Will Smith ft. Dru Hill and Kool Moe Dee - "Wild Wild West"
13. Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch - "Good Vibrations"
14. PM Dawn - "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss"
15. Puff Daddy and Mase - "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"
16. Puff Daddy ft 112 and Faith Evans - "I'll Be Missing You"

I always thought that if you forget about the "lol whitey" aspect, "Ice Ice Baby" and "Informer" are good songs in their own right. And even if Marky Mark's rapping is kinda boring, "Good Vibrations" has a nice house beat. As for "Wild Wild West", it has a swinging groove which Will Smith rides nicely. IMO Smith is a better rapper than he's given credit for; the multi-rhyme bit in the first verse that ends with "where my hip be at" is quite impressive. "I'll Be Missing You" is the only one I can't defend in any way: boring cover of a boring tune with bad rapping, and the shameless cash-in of Biggie's memory doesn't help it either.

I was about to question whether this was a Tuomas post until I saw the following...

4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"

IMO Smith is a better rapper than he's given credit for

first tuomas post i agree with

I was about to question whether this was a Tuomas post until I saw the following...

4. Vanilla Ice - "Ice, Ice Baby"
5. Notorious BIG - "Hypnotize"

Well, yeah I've always thought "Ice Baby Baby" was kind of brilliant as a rap song, at least on the dance floor. The minimal beat, the modulating synth bass, Vanilla Ice's monotone rapping - all of it creates a really hypnotic groove, and he puts tremendous build and release into it by just pausing at exactly the right moment. I'm almost sure that if this tune was done by anyone with actual credibility, it would be now praised as a piece of 90s pop genius.

yeah, i always wonder where he got that modulating synth bass!

you have any ideas, tuom?

I think he was under pressure to get the song done, and it was coming down on him....

Listen to the tune: the synth bass is not the same as the "Under Pressure" bass sample. I'm talking about the bass drone that starts at around 0:45 in the song; I think it sounds brilliant, especially if you're dancing to it and hearing it through a good PA.

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Tuomas = Mr. Van Winkle!

Eh? What I'm saying is that there's two basslines in the tune - the bass sample from Queen and the synth bass, and I was talking about the latter.

Don't start criticizing "Ice Ice Baby" if you don't even remember how it goes!

;_;

Having a roni over here.

By that, I mean lolni.

aw u guys the pm dawn song is great :'(

yeah i voted "i'll be missing you." didn't like "wild wild west" either

ok, is that PM Dawn song the one that sampled/interpolated "True" by Spandau Ballet, or a different one?

PM Dawn included better songs than "Set Adrift" on that first album, but Spandau Ballet never did; the song exists so that PM Dawn could sample it.

k, i was just curious as that's the only PM Dawn I know

Much better, but it's R&B:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Df9nKO_6_U

i love that song too -- not as much, but it's good. some of those lyrics, though...

i actually liked several songs from pm dawn's first 2 albums

were they anything sonically similar to Arrested Development or another case of hotdogs

No "actually" necessary. The second one is great.

I thought they were much better than Arrested Development.

wild wild west.

They're like Arrested Development in that they took flowers and coats of many colors seriously.

at least arrested development had one good song

"i'll be missin you" is obv a Bad Song but i liked it when it came out, probably because i had never heard the police song before that. i was also like, nine

otm

Best P.M. Dawn of all, one of my favorite songs of the past 20 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30RX1yi2V9c

Never even knew there was a video--it was a hit in Britian, but not North America. This version is somewhat different than what's on their first album.

pm dawn has inoj on their top friends on myspace, lol. 90s graveyard.

90s graveyard on a 00s graveyard, even.