NYC ilxors: I am calling you out

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Yeah Raekwon and Neu!'s sets are gonna be just like that

oh my god don't even get me started about live hip hop.

This year's lineup:

IGGY AND THE STOOGES - Performing Raw Power [no thanks]
SLEEP - Performing Holy Mountain [don't like Sleep]
MUDHONEY - Performing Superfuzz Bigmuff + Early Singles [no thanks]
THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!) [never heard this band]

SONIC YOUTH [seen 'em, met 'em, haven't cared in over a decade]
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY [boring on disc, likely to be wrist-slashingly boring live]
THE BREEDERS [never cared]
FUCK BUTTONS [no idea]
HALLOGALLO 2010 (MICHAEL ROTHER & FRIENDS PRESENT NEU! MUSIC) [see Explosions in the Sky]
TORTOISE [see above]
SHELLAC (HOUSE BAND) [don't like 'em enough to go to the show]
THE BOOKS [no idea]
BARDO POND [liked an album in maybe 1992 but can't even remember what it was called so...]
BEAK> [no idea]
PAPA M [no idea]
APSE [no idea]
SLEEPY SUN [no idea]
FURSAXA [no idea]
TEXT OF LIGHT (FEAT LEE RANALDO OF SONIC YOUTH) [no thanks]
AVI BUFFALO [no idea]
SIAN ALICE GROUP [no idea]

SUNN 0))) AND BORIS PRESENT ALTAR [disappointing on record, likely to be ultra-tiresome live]
HOPE SANDOVAL & THE WARM INVENTIONS [boring boring boring, unless they provide sleeping bags, no thanks]
RAEKWON [massively overrated on disc and live]
GIRLS [only heard one song and hated it]
FUCKED UP [don't care]
DUNGEN [don't like]
WOODEN SHJIPS [don't like]
THE BLACK ANGELS [no idea]
THE GREENHORNES [no idea]
VIVIAN GIRLS [no idea]
WHITE HILLS [no idea]

if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

half of neu! is dead you know that right?

Whiney you have to cop to having a much higher tolerance for see-a-whole-lot-of-bands than plenty of ppl who legitimately love music - like, your tolerance for very high amounts of stimulation is unusual imo

for example you reviewed a thousand records in a year

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

2.5 tweet about experience

xpost,

I will cop to that.

I guess if that's the reason that ppl aren't going, it's kind of enlightening.

I'm 39, I'm off to this in a month's time, I don't expect anyone I know in SF to be there but it's cool if they did and I'll be quite happily enduring if you want to call it that.

I do not plan on calling out any SF ilxors.

xp Hey, I would totally watch that Scientists set (speaking of "a generation ago") if I could sit at the bar while drinking beers while watching it. If it was really cheap. That might be fun. But that's it. (Assume these "Girls" are the indie morons from San Francisco, and not the great Boston band that did "The Elephant Man" and "Jeffrey I Hear You," right?)

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

otm about chairs

literally don't think there is any music in the world that I would enjoy after standing in one place for 2 hours

i've been to one big fest like this and it was pfork 08, and halfway thru day 3 i was so desperate to just sit in some shade that i actually subjected myself to m ward

the alternative was VIP area in the shade, inhaling toxic Chipotle fumes.

nowadays I think I'd only go to a show if I were truly and deeply invested in the output of that band - like all my most enjoyable shows have been to see bands of whom I owned every album, knew all of them by heart, could sing along, etc.

it's rare that I get to that level with a band anymore. I think the only acts I'd actively make an effort to see nowadays would be new order and taylor swift.

THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!)

frankly the only thing that tempted me to consider going to ATP this year

but $$$

I live in NY (somewhat recent transplant) and have gone to every stateside ATP festival yet including all three west coast incarnations earlier last decade and am going to this one. This thread is enlightening. Wondering how many naysayers have actually been to an ATP? It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

Would never go to this.

xpost yeah it's like indoors and air-conditioned and not oversold and never crowded and very comfortable and there's movies and food and a swimming pool

but OMG SHOWS TERRIFYING!

poor jordan would never get his shade

the last memorable show I remember seeing was when the knife were touring silent shout w/ the whole visual projector thing, which was awesome. the last shitty, ohmygod-whydidIagreetogo show I was dragged to was the fiery furnaces. the last show I went to where I was actively disappointed was the clipse.

going to shows "professionally" for two years pretty much killed my desire to more than four nights of live music per year.

It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

this makes me want to go even less

MFB and ilxor know what's up

cmj 2007 was one of the first big "i am a grown man wtf am i doing with my life" moments for me pre-30.

ha, I remember that!

more power to you if yr old and still have the stamina/inclination but jesus life is short.

i'm all for you guys having fun at a big festival show, but this is not for me

haha whiney has actually been with me at two of my "festivals NO" damascus moments. i am actually kinda heartened he is still out there sluggin it away.

Card Games Room with Steve Albini
??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

guess hardmanning about who is a hipster got tiring so it's time to hardman about who is a music fan?

i'm all for you guys having fun at a big festival show, but this is not for me

Main stage is capped at ~2000 people, so the biggest crowd is smaller than a sold out Terminal 5.

i love music (more than you do)

feel like whiney is def on some tom sawyer "painting fences is sooooo fun!!! can't believe you gusy aren't into it" tip here

last fest i went to was pfork in 07. it was an ok time.

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dude, i hate EVERYTHING if you haven't noticed. i think it should be kinda noteworthy when i actually stan for something

Card Games Room with Steve Albini
??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

― V79, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the latter

if "i hate everything" is what you're trying to get across on a regular basis you do a pretty bad job of it

It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

Get over yourself.

I've been to any number of festivals -- however small or large, however defined -- and a lot of them could fit this description you claim for ATP alone. It's not down to some holy cachet blessed by a three letter acronym and never will be.

whiney you might want to consider some stendhal syndrome-like response when music lovers express repulsion at festivals

some ppl can't gorge on live music, it gets exhausting

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

also i like/love a lot of acts on that lineup, but pretending its all-things-to-all-people-so-y'all-come-on-down is pretty wtf.

I've been to any number of festivals -- however small or large, however defined -- and a lot of them could fit this description you claim for ATP alone.

Fair enough, but have you been to ATP?

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

x1000

whiney you might want to consider some stendhal syndrome-like response when music lovers express repulsion at festivals

some ppl can't gorge on live music, it gets exhausting

I'm an old dude who loves going to shows, would go to a couple a week if I could, but 3-4 bands is the perfect size for a bill, and the closer you get your set to 20 minutes the happier I am

― (e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 12:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like i said, this has all been very enlightening.

ned is beyond atp.

tbh I like hanging out with my wife more than I like going to multiday events, and my wife would absolutely hate this and I am not particularly interested in seeing any of the people there, so my wife wins

ned is beyond us all.

To be honest I hate festivals too, which is why I totally fell for atp massively when I first went and then went on about it so much that they gave me a job. If you haven't been to one though it's hard to see how it would differ from the usual uncomfortable shit sound crowdedness of most fests.

actually i would like to play cards with steve albini, dan, and his wife.

Jamie knows what's up

i had great times at primavera the last couple of years but it's like a 13 minute metro ride or shuttle away from where we stay and you could come and go as you please.

plus it's in SPAIN