NYC ilxors: I am calling you out

i have to say that i'm not the biggest Flaming Lips fan in the world, but seeing them in that room with only like 2,000 ppl was very nice

Also, speaking of "a generation ago": Husker Du.

what if Kix were playing, chuck?

yeah, getting dragged to flaming lips at a festival last year was one of the most boring experiences of my life. they finished w/ do you realise and it seemed to go on forever; every time it seemed like it was over there was another "Do... You... Realise?" it was like a running joke for us afterwards for a while, when like a crap film ended or something "do you realise?"

All my money would be spent on live music if I lived in NYC.

can't live in an apartment made out of 'live music'

don't see the appeal of festivals geneally, as i don't really liking more than one or two bands at a time. one of the great things about living in nyc is that pretty much every act i would want to see comes to town, so i see no reason to leave town just to see bands play.

Where else can you watch a Boredoms 9-drum freakout, then walk 5 minutes down the hall and watch Oneida jam endlessly for 50 people in a small, living room-esque space, then decide, oh, I guess it's time to watch Caribou playing with Marshall Allen, Kieran Hebden, etc., followed by Boris performing Feedbacker in full, a bit more Oneida as a palate-cleanser, then drop in to see No Age playing Husker Du covers with Bob Mould himself on vox, and then oh why not go see the Flaming Lips and their exploding confetti balloons at the end of the day?

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

fine, whatever, "disposable income" then

I'm over 25 and would want to

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

Easy there, hoss, I've been to two FIMAVs and two Big Ears festivals, all since turning 35. I like festivals, since I have to spend big bucks on travel/food/lodging to see pretty much any live music.

xp yeah but you also like to list your top 500 favorite bands from the year 1979 so you're kind of an outlier
xxp ok it's just me then - every time I go to a festival I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

let's switch houses for a year, Aero, assuming you don't live somewhere more out of the way than northeast fucking mississippi

live music sucks

― max, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:48 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha point taken WmC

I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

OTM - I felt that way at 25 too

^word. as a 45-year-old, you couldn't pay me enough to even piss on most of these festival-type bands.

Really, most live sets by individual bands are endurance tests, and last at least twice as long as they should. How one set after another, all day fucking long, is "fun" has always been beyond me.

I mean, i guess the disconnect is that ATP is sort of made for the 30+ crowd—lots of older "legacy" bands, a boutique event with a higher price—but if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

is the actual experience that much different, are there hookers on the side we can frequent

But guys you don't understand, no age are playing husker du covers

xpost

Yeah Raekwon and Neu!'s sets are gonna be just like that

oh my god don't even get me started about live hip hop.

This year's lineup:

IGGY AND THE STOOGES - Performing Raw Power [no thanks]
SLEEP - Performing Holy Mountain [don't like Sleep]
MUDHONEY - Performing Superfuzz Bigmuff + Early Singles [no thanks]
THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!) [never heard this band]

SONIC YOUTH [seen 'em, met 'em, haven't cared in over a decade]
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY [boring on disc, likely to be wrist-slashingly boring live]
THE BREEDERS [never cared]
FUCK BUTTONS [no idea]
HALLOGALLO 2010 (MICHAEL ROTHER & FRIENDS PRESENT NEU! MUSIC) [see Explosions in the Sky]
TORTOISE [see above]
SHELLAC (HOUSE BAND) [don't like 'em enough to go to the show]
THE BOOKS [no idea]
BARDO POND [liked an album in maybe 1992 but can't even remember what it was called so...]
BEAK> [no idea]
PAPA M [no idea]
APSE [no idea]
SLEEPY SUN [no idea]
FURSAXA [no idea]
TEXT OF LIGHT (FEAT LEE RANALDO OF SONIC YOUTH) [no thanks]
AVI BUFFALO [no idea]
SIAN ALICE GROUP [no idea]

SUNN 0))) AND BORIS PRESENT ALTAR [disappointing on record, likely to be ultra-tiresome live]
HOPE SANDOVAL & THE WARM INVENTIONS [boring boring boring, unless they provide sleeping bags, no thanks]
RAEKWON [massively overrated on disc and live]
GIRLS [only heard one song and hated it]
FUCKED UP [don't care]
DUNGEN [don't like]
WOODEN SHJIPS [don't like]
THE BLACK ANGELS [no idea]
THE GREENHORNES [no idea]
VIVIAN GIRLS [no idea]
WHITE HILLS [no idea]

if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

half of neu! is dead you know that right?

Whiney you have to cop to having a much higher tolerance for see-a-whole-lot-of-bands than plenty of ppl who legitimately love music - like, your tolerance for very high amounts of stimulation is unusual imo

for example you reviewed a thousand records in a year

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

2.5 tweet about experience

xpost,

I will cop to that.

I guess if that's the reason that ppl aren't going, it's kind of enlightening.

I'm 39, I'm off to this in a month's time, I don't expect anyone I know in SF to be there but it's cool if they did and I'll be quite happily enduring if you want to call it that.

I do not plan on calling out any SF ilxors.

xp Hey, I would totally watch that Scientists set (speaking of "a generation ago") if I could sit at the bar while drinking beers while watching it. If it was really cheap. That might be fun. But that's it. (Assume these "Girls" are the indie morons from San Francisco, and not the great Boston band that did "The Elephant Man" and "Jeffrey I Hear You," right?)

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

otm about chairs

literally don't think there is any music in the world that I would enjoy after standing in one place for 2 hours

i've been to one big fest like this and it was pfork 08, and halfway thru day 3 i was so desperate to just sit in some shade that i actually subjected myself to m ward

the alternative was VIP area in the shade, inhaling toxic Chipotle fumes.

nowadays I think I'd only go to a show if I were truly and deeply invested in the output of that band - like all my most enjoyable shows have been to see bands of whom I owned every album, knew all of them by heart, could sing along, etc.

it's rare that I get to that level with a band anymore. I think the only acts I'd actively make an effort to see nowadays would be new order and taylor swift.

THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!)

frankly the only thing that tempted me to consider going to ATP this year

but $$$

I live in NY (somewhat recent transplant) and have gone to every stateside ATP festival yet including all three west coast incarnations earlier last decade and am going to this one. This thread is enlightening. Wondering how many naysayers have actually been to an ATP? It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

Would never go to this.

xpost yeah it's like indoors and air-conditioned and not oversold and never crowded and very comfortable and there's movies and food and a swimming pool

but OMG SHOWS TERRIFYING!

poor jordan would never get his shade

the last memorable show I remember seeing was when the knife were touring silent shout w/ the whole visual projector thing, which was awesome. the last shitty, ohmygod-whydidIagreetogo show I was dragged to was the fiery furnaces. the last show I went to where I was actively disappointed was the clipse.

going to shows "professionally" for two years pretty much killed my desire to more than four nights of live music per year.

It's the festival for people who hate festivals and love music, no question.

this makes me want to go even less

MFB and ilxor know what's up

cmj 2007 was one of the first big "i am a grown man wtf am i doing with my life" moments for me pre-30.

ha, I remember that!

more power to you if yr old and still have the stamina/inclination but jesus life is short.

i'm all for you guys having fun at a big festival show, but this is not for me

haha whiney has actually been with me at two of my "festivals NO" damascus moments. i am actually kinda heartened he is still out there sluggin it away.

Card Games Room with Steve Albini
??? is that a name of a band or does it mean you can actually play poker with Albini? If so, that sounds so awesome, I bet he plays like a bad mfker and he's only into it to screw some cash from hipsters

guess hardmanning about who is a hipster got tiring so it's time to hardman about who is a music fan?

"real world" = pitchfork round these here parts iirc

I can personally attest to the awesome live show experiences of USAisamonster (RIP) White Mice and Lightning Bolt - separate shows though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7exiE8m_3hI

wait, what? this question is posed to NYC ilxors almost as if ATP were actually in NYC. but for me, at least, it's probably easier, cheaper, and more convenient to go see a festival in Chicago than to go to ATP, so I don't really get what NYC has to do with anything.

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 7:37 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

instead we have 100,000 wantrepreneur chillwave morons fighting for valuable altered zones space

― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:33 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I want to bring this sentence in front of a focus group in ohio and ask them to guess its meaning

loooool

feelin sympathetic to all the NYC ilxors who got called out on this controversial thread. keep your chins up guys.

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:34 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can i just say
i have a full time job
and relatively little leisure time and money
to go see a few bands i like
that i could see occasionally throughout the year

nyc ilxors

^

otm

WE CAN'T PAY OUR RENT WORKING 20 HOURS AT THE KWIK-E-MART AND WRITING TWO ARTICLES A MONTH FOR SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE WEEKLIES

most festivals to me are like "go to see a band you like play a shorter set, with more opening acts/other bands you don't care about, for more money than if they were just headlining a club"

yep. festivals are terrible mostly.

there's lots of posts upthread from me and MFB about how ATP isn't really like most festivals, but I like regular festivals too, so whatv

I don't think festivals are terrible, they are just impossible in my life.