NYC ilxors: I am calling you out

ok, this thread is kind of hilarious

i agree

I saw Boris five or six years ago at the Knitting Factory and didn't enjoy it that much. I saw Boredoms over a decade ago and enjoyed it a lot, but that was before they became a drum circle. The only way I wanna see Wayne Coyne is through the scope of a sniper's rifle. The rest of the bands you cite don't mean shit to me. Oh, and attending this event means being surrounded by the type of people who would attend this event. To sum up, you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

most people ambivalent about art-rock, water wet, blogger bites dog

i would go if lil b performed

a Boredoms 9-drum freakout

tbh I don't think anything aside from the original JPG encapsulates DO NOT WANT as well as this phrase

i wanna go to nyc to go to no fun fest if it ever returns but like

sounds like indie rock's version of the old-timer's game.

nyc ilxors, i am calling you out for not wanting to seeing these bands when they are far past their prime!

most people ambivalent about art-rock, water wet, blogger bites dog

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:52 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a message board where any one of those bands has a 1,000-post thread, come on fuck a guy

ok Dan you are so so so wrong

That line-up sounds absolutely delicious and I'm KINDA with Whiney on this altho str8 broke myself atm - if I had cash and lived in NYC I'd absolutely 100% be there

Well at least shit on this year's lineup instead of last years:

http://www.atpfestival.com/events/atpnewyork2010/lineup.php

too much absolutely but yeah guys this is some incendiary music yr missing

I'm out of town this week. never been much of an indie type TBH tho I would like to experience Boredoms someday

come on fuck a guy

This could be a good song title for someone somewhere.

I'd go if i lived in NYC

Costa Mesa ilxors: I am calling you out.

Oneida probably my favorite band named up there (judging from the past decade or so's output, at least, though even they haven't made an album I really care about in, what, eight years?), but I've seen them "jam endlessly" more than once, and believe me, I was praying for the end about 10 minutes in. (Works better as background music while reading at home, but watching it? Come on.)

And, uh, Flaming Lips's "exploding confetti balloons"??? You're joking there, right? (They were fun to watch in, like, 1986, when they were still making decent records. But that was a generation ago.)

i have to say that i'm not the biggest Flaming Lips fan in the world, but seeing them in that room with only like 2,000 ppl was very nice

Also, speaking of "a generation ago": Husker Du.

what if Kix were playing, chuck?

yeah, getting dragged to flaming lips at a festival last year was one of the most boring experiences of my life. they finished w/ do you realise and it seemed to go on forever; every time it seemed like it was over there was another "Do... You... Realise?" it was like a running joke for us afterwards for a while, when like a crap film ended or something "do you realise?"

All my money would be spent on live music if I lived in NYC.

can't live in an apartment made out of 'live music'

don't see the appeal of festivals geneally, as i don't really liking more than one or two bands at a time. one of the great things about living in nyc is that pretty much every act i would want to see comes to town, so i see no reason to leave town just to see bands play.

Where else can you watch a Boredoms 9-drum freakout, then walk 5 minutes down the hall and watch Oneida jam endlessly for 50 people in a small, living room-esque space, then decide, oh, I guess it's time to watch Caribou playing with Marshall Allen, Kieran Hebden, etc., followed by Boris performing Feedbacker in full, a bit more Oneida as a palate-cleanser, then drop in to see No Age playing Husker Du covers with Bob Mould himself on vox, and then oh why not go see the Flaming Lips and their exploding confetti balloons at the end of the day?

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

fine, whatever, "disposable income" then

I'm over 25 and would want to

Whiney I think you're the last over-25 standing who actually wants to see that many bands in a day no matter what bands they are

Easy there, hoss, I've been to two FIMAVs and two Big Ears festivals, all since turning 35. I like festivals, since I have to spend big bucks on travel/food/lodging to see pretty much any live music.

xp yeah but you also like to list your top 500 favorite bands from the year 1979 so you're kind of an outlier
xxp ok it's just me then - every time I go to a festival I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

let's switch houses for a year, Aero, assuming you don't live somewhere more out of the way than northeast fucking mississippi

live music sucks

― max, Tuesday, August 3, 2010 11:48 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha point taken WmC

I see like three bands and then I'm like "that's quite enough live music for one day, anything else is basically an endurance test"

OTM - I felt that way at 25 too

^word. as a 45-year-old, you couldn't pay me enough to even piss on most of these festival-type bands.

Really, most live sets by individual bands are endurance tests, and last at least twice as long as they should. How one set after another, all day fucking long, is "fun" has always been beyond me.

I mean, i guess the disconnect is that ATP is sort of made for the 30+ crowd—lots of older "legacy" bands, a boutique event with a higher price—but if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

is the actual experience that much different, are there hookers on the side we can frequent

But guys you don't understand, no age are playing husker du covers

xpost

Yeah Raekwon and Neu!'s sets are gonna be just like that

oh my god don't even get me started about live hip hop.

This year's lineup:

IGGY AND THE STOOGES - Performing Raw Power [no thanks]
SLEEP - Performing Holy Mountain [don't like Sleep]
MUDHONEY - Performing Superfuzz Bigmuff + Early Singles [no thanks]
THE SCIENTISTS - Performing Blood Red River (First Ever U.S. Show!) [never heard this band]

SONIC YOUTH [seen 'em, met 'em, haven't cared in over a decade]
EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY [boring on disc, likely to be wrist-slashingly boring live]
THE BREEDERS [never cared]
FUCK BUTTONS [no idea]
HALLOGALLO 2010 (MICHAEL ROTHER & FRIENDS PRESENT NEU! MUSIC) [see Explosions in the Sky]
TORTOISE [see above]
SHELLAC (HOUSE BAND) [don't like 'em enough to go to the show]
THE BOOKS [no idea]
BARDO POND [liked an album in maybe 1992 but can't even remember what it was called so...]
BEAK> [no idea]
PAPA M [no idea]
APSE [no idea]
SLEEPY SUN [no idea]
FURSAXA [no idea]
TEXT OF LIGHT (FEAT LEE RANALDO OF SONIC YOUTH) [no thanks]
AVI BUFFALO [no idea]
SIAN ALICE GROUP [no idea]

SUNN 0))) AND BORIS PRESENT ALTAR [disappointing on record, likely to be ultra-tiresome live]
HOPE SANDOVAL & THE WARM INVENTIONS [boring boring boring, unless they provide sleeping bags, no thanks]
RAEKWON [massively overrated on disc and live]
GIRLS [only heard one song and hated it]
FUCKED UP [don't care]
DUNGEN [don't like]
WOODEN SHJIPS [don't like]
THE BLACK ANGELS [no idea]
THE GREENHORNES [no idea]
VIVIAN GIRLS [no idea]
WHITE HILLS [no idea]

if you're 30+ in New York, you're too jaded/tired to want to watch bands all day?

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

half of neu! is dead you know that right?

Whiney you have to cop to having a much higher tolerance for see-a-whole-lot-of-bands than plenty of ppl who legitimately love music - like, your tolerance for very high amounts of stimulation is unusual imo

for example you reviewed a thousand records in a year

my idea of the experience

1. watch 3-10 dudes stand around strumming guitars and stuff and make awkward banter with the crowd
2. wait for an hour
3. goto 1

2.5 tweet about experience

xpost,

I will cop to that.

I guess if that's the reason that ppl aren't going, it's kind of enlightening.

I'm 39, I'm off to this in a month's time, I don't expect anyone I know in SF to be there but it's cool if they did and I'll be quite happily enduring if you want to call it that.

I do not plan on calling out any SF ilxors.

xp Hey, I would totally watch that Scientists set (speaking of "a generation ago") if I could sit at the bar while drinking beers while watching it. If it was really cheap. That might be fun. But that's it. (Assume these "Girls" are the indie morons from San Francisco, and not the great Boston band that did "The Elephant Man" and "Jeffrey I Hear You," right?)

Well, I live in NJ, but even so, FUCK YES. Why is this so hard to understand? Shows suck. At least in an arena (or a jazz club) you've got a relatively comfortable chair. But standing in some sweatbox room with a bunch of poorly dressed people whose overheard conversations make me want to shank them in the neck? You can't afford to get me there.

otm about chairs

literally don't think there is any music in the world that I would enjoy after standing in one place for 2 hours

The line-ups of the ones I have attended have, on the whole, slanted heavily towards post-rock and math-rock with a smattering of noise and old post-punk/new wave bands and the occasional token hip hop or dance act so if that's not your thing I wouldn't recommend it

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

That is why with age I turned into a jazz d-bag.

the place on the corner three doors down from my shop is gonna open and have jazz shows regularly and i am SIKED! one way to get me to a show is have it be 50 feet from me. plus, tapas!

I'm working the door at my friend's house show in a few weeks because of the promise of liquor-filled cupcakes

that's the most obnoxious thing in the assumption put forth by the original topic - that if you aren't going to see this music of a decidedly narrow subset on the global scale, you don't love music? ehhhhhh.

I think this year's lineup is the most homogeneous/indie-tailored they have put forth thus far in the US but thinking back on past stateside ATPs I've seen Terry Riley, Jackie-O Motherfucker, The Magic Band, Cannibal Ox, Harmonia, Aphex Twin, The Cramps, Anti-Pop Consortium, James Chance, Billy Childish, My Bloody Valentine, and Suicide at various events. If that's a "decidedly narrow subset," then I'm just more narrow-minded than I thought.

you are more narrow-minded than you thought

That group of bands is legitimately considered a "narrow subset?"

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

yeah that's a normal narrowness of subset for any festival or thing, really. i don't know, it's not i wouldn't be able to tell a canibal ox song from an mbv one but it's not like you went to see miley cyrus open for cannibal corpse or something. they're all loosely experimental, big deal avant-garde dudes with semi-classic albums under their belts, or influential older weirdos reuniting.

that's pretty irrelevant, though, festivals aren't supposed to be a projection of your openmindedness and it would be retarded if they were. atp is like, a festival really finely geared towards people like whiney. it's not "something for everyone" who loves music

man scott's post upthread is maybe the greatest and most dear to the center of my heart ilx truth bomb i have ever read. i want to get the words "new local yokelism" tattooed to the inside of my brain

Compile a collection based on that idea and then don't actually release it.

Yeah, Scott's post is great. That was essentially my life for about 10 years.

Also, he mentioned Horse Spirit Penetrates at some point in a recent thread (this one i think). Kieran is a great guy, want very much to see HSP at some point!

Have several really fond memories of Groundmonkeys, his previous band, whom I never would have seen without the very locally generated small-time show scene in Virginia I was lucky enough to be around at the time.

From what I remember (this was several hundred shows ago) Horse Spirit Penetrates were pretty great live.

Cool, maybe I'll get my chance.

Longtime ago show I saw that was amazing: Groundmonkeys, White Mice, USAisaMonster, and Lightning Bolt. All very good live bands.

Groundmonkeys played here once, I've got a cd! They played with Buddyship, iirc, who were also excellent.

Yeah, AT and Jeremy can be pretty wild. Kinda derailing thread, sorry. Reminiscing. ATs band Necronomitron was really great live as well. Crazy single-kick pedal playing by that drummer.

Alright, back to festivals being difficult and live shows being sometimes boring ...

Sorry, AT and Jeremy are Buddyship, lame to name drop. Fun band for sure. Just good folks I am fond of, not trying to be all "I was there".

to ppl on ilm maybe, to ppl in the "real world" no

― markers, Thursday, August 5, 2010 1:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

To people in the "real world," the subset is "bands I've never heard of."

indeed

"real world" = pitchfork round these here parts iirc

I can personally attest to the awesome live show experiences of USAisamonster (RIP) White Mice and Lightning Bolt - separate shows though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7exiE8m_3hI

wait, what? this question is posed to NYC ilxors almost as if ATP were actually in NYC. but for me, at least, it's probably easier, cheaper, and more convenient to go see a festival in Chicago than to go to ATP, so I don't really get what NYC has to do with anything.

― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, August 3, 2010 7:37 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

instead we have 100,000 wantrepreneur chillwave morons fighting for valuable altered zones space

― torch song trill o.g. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:33 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I want to bring this sentence in front of a focus group in ohio and ask them to guess its meaning

loooool

feelin sympathetic to all the NYC ilxors who got called out on this controversial thread. keep your chins up guys.

― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 2:34 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can i just say
i have a full time job
and relatively little leisure time and money
to go see a few bands i like
that i could see occasionally throughout the year

nyc ilxors

^

otm

WE CAN'T PAY OUR RENT WORKING 20 HOURS AT THE KWIK-E-MART AND WRITING TWO ARTICLES A MONTH FOR SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE WEEKLIES

most festivals to me are like "go to see a band you like play a shorter set, with more opening acts/other bands you don't care about, for more money than if they were just headlining a club"

yep. festivals are terrible mostly.

there's lots of posts upthread from me and MFB about how ATP isn't really like most festivals, but I like regular festivals too, so whatv

I don't think festivals are terrible, they are just impossible in my life.