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yeah, I think the Alan Jackson record is a strange 'un. I did a short thing on it for a NY weekly, and actually did say, Xhuxk, that he's sorta Hoagy Carmichael channeling Eugene Record (of the Chi-Lites, RIP) on that first song. IN other words, I think it's some sort of attempt to make a perhaps somewhat genteel, even antiseptic, pop record that's about memory and all that shit. Like the Chi-Lites, maybe. What I hear is just genericized '70s, from Skynyrd ballads to Little Feat to Marshall Tucker to, fuck, Dan Fogelberg. All that. And I think it's one of the few country records that really gets over on sheer *music*, I think the musical ideas are mostly sort of inspired in a g- and perhaps even a- way. I find his singing reserved to the point of near absurdity, but as on his magnificent Jimmy Buffett video where he even looks not stupid in shorts and seems to know something about Buffett's Eternal Party and the Lovely Women Who Drink In Them that even J.B. don't know ("It Must Be 5:00 Somewhere" or whatever that one's called), he seems to just kind of bend his shtick to whatever comes by, and in interviews he has said that he found Krauss a bit "crazy" but that he was "crazy" too. So yeah, western-swing filtered thru Bloomington, Indiana heartland Hoagy stuff, but perhaps more like '70s nostalgia for the '30s (which was a big thing back then) filtered thru whatever Krauss does. I like her, I mean I don't much care for that math-grass shit but I think she's obviously smart, and she seems to want to to experiment a little.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

What's the title, "Monday Morning Church"? AJ on dealing with grief, and (evenly, but not too wimpily) expressed doubts (about afterlife, etc) That was really good. And his turn on the ZZ trib (x-x, I'm really senile with the titles today, incl. the xpost Chesney chestnut roasting, apparently).The one Ah mean was of course well-described by meee, in "Sharp Blessed Men," archived at villagevoice.com, one of my best evah (at least up to that point). the xpost Anne McCue review now playing(with MP3): http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=154

don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

This is not new, but I like it (surf bluegrass instrumental by the Stoneman Family):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a3uPZ97AXU

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

I guess this is where I should put my observation that Sara Evans is STINKING UP THE JOINT on "Dancing With the Stars." She looks uncomfortable, arrhythmic, and unsexy, and she looked offended that the judges would dare criticize her to her face.

Haha, she sucks.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)


don, thanks for sending me the bosley, its growing on me, a little soft in places, a little too contained i think, but beautiful

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks! But it wasn't me, unless--you mean Tom Bosley--hey, that's where my tape of The Father Dowling Mysteries went! Oh well(send me yr postal so I can send you Julie Roberts). Just finished listening to a broadcast of Elvis Costello and the Imposters featuring Allen Toussaint, live at the Playboy Jazz Festival. They're rolling it(duh), and EC's voice just keeps getting deeper and stronger. Anybody heard E and A's new album, The River In Reverse?

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

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anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Sara Evans...I saw her with that southern comedian, Foxworthy. She looked somehow less sexy that previous. I dunno.

Yeah, Don, heard the Costello/Toussaint. The DVD is the thing, actually, because you get to see Toussaint and Elv riding thru NOLA together. I find the record good, but as usual, why do I want to listen to Costello when I can listen to Lee Dorsey? But he does sing OK. I am probably going to sit thru all that crap at the Americana thing so I can hear Toussaint. Also going to catch, I hope, Carlene Carter late tonite, and there are a couple other things I want to explore. I guess Costello's gonna be there, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Be sure to tellus about whatever you do get to hear!

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Just heard Little Big Town's "Good As Gone," and got me right away, this time the harmonies don't sound pretentious, they do give me a shiver of the old country at the beginning, but the shift into poppier sound is seamless, thought it was xpost McCue for a second. And the Carrie Underwood right after that, "Do You Remember Me," if that's the title.

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Also new to me, and pretty decent: Rhonda Vincent featuring Dolly Parton, "Heartbreaker's Alibi," and several whose titles I didn't catch (on CMT): Lindsey Haun, new blonde youngster, doing something from Broken Bridges (scenes from that: think he and Kelly Preston are exes who come back to town when their younger brothers are killed? In war, isn't it? And Lindsey's singing something meant to give comfort at memorial service, a little oversold in the editing); new one from Dierks (but now, though they said would send promo, no more til Oct 16, unless you want to SHARE, their new online communion,invitation-only [I said "No Thanks"])And, also new to me, a '94 vid feat. thin, glassy Garth, in White Hat and Suit, at White Piano, in a White Room, carefully refined and sealed over, til REEEDDDD comes spilling up out of White Piano--it, it's "The Red Strokes"! Somebody mighta watched that Scorsese short about shaving, but this is beyond that, because of Garth (reminds me that was back when somebody in Voice speculated that he was a creation of David Lynch, but I think it's more a basic 70s heritage thing,re all the country folk I sold Dark Side Of The Moon and Kiss live albums to, and ever since)

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

"He" meaning Toby, who appears in Lindsey's vid as actor exclusively

don (dow), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

that math-grass shit

LOL

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

ilXor foments the International Irresponsible Drinking Exchange Scheme on Nashville radio.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm still into Tony Joe White--"Mama, Don't Let Your Cowboys Grow Up to Be Babies," with Waylon, from '80. "I Thought I Knew You Well," his most pop moment--his most American Studios-crafted song, sort of like a really good Box Tops record. Better, probably. And the strangest one, "Old Man Willis," where Old Man W. is a crazed redneck--bootlegger? white-slaver?--and ends up *killing* his entire family, in between driving too fast and drinking. (Anybody who wants a burn of this TJW comp, let me know--Tony Joe as Swamp-Monster Pervert.)"

Ever hear that bizarre album he did for Casablanca in 1980, THE REAL THANG?

To call it, this was a strange, one-year-too-late attempt to jump on the disco bandwagon (this was well after the whole "disco sucks" movement had come & gone); when I interviewed TJW some time back, he referred to it as "techno swamp." But you know what? It turns out good in spite of itself; his attempt to go disco is so backhanded, it comes off sounding like Lightnin' Hopkins making a southern soul record, and that is a good thang indeed. He wouldn't have gotten past the velvet rope at Studio 54 with a record like this, but Bobby Rush fans would love it.

It even includes a new version of "Polk Salad Annie" with a reference to pot-smoking during the spoken intro (Tony Joe also told me that when he used to play at rock festivals during the hippie era, audiences thought that polk salad was another name for marijuana.)

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

The fast version of "Polk Salad Annie" that Elvis used to do live in the early 70s could have been played at Nicky Siano's Gallery (but he still hates the term "disco," and didn't want it in the subtitle of the comp I reviewed in the Voice). Would have fit right in on the comp, too (just before or after the Bonnie Bramlett track, for inst)

don (dow), Saturday, 23 September 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

"The fast version of "Polk Salad Annie" that Elvis used to do live in the early 70s could have been played at Nicky Siano's Gallery (but he still hates the term "disco," and didn't want it in the subtitle of the comp I reviewed in the Voice). Would have fit right in on the comp, too (just before or after the Bonnie Bramlett track, for inst)"

What is this comp you speak of, and how does disco relate to Elvis' version of "Polk Salad Annie?"

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

tony joe's "real thang" is a killer record, actually. i just wrote about tony joe at some length, should be out in american songwriter in nov., and maybe i'm one of the few people to do any riff at all on his disco work. it's all of a piece with his monument stuff--which i hear rhino is re-issuing, the first 3 monument records, which are "black and white," "...continued" and i believe the third one is "tony joe" from '70. his voice gets a bit old, i think, and he's not got a ton of range, but within his not-so-narrows, he's damned good and i really like his tough-minded genre pieces like "high sheriff of calhoun parrish" (which seems to be intentionally spelled with two "r"s in "parrish," why i don't know).

americana: got a couple things to turn around today, but quickly, the best things i saw were hayes carll and jim lauderdale and ray wylie hubbard at this showcase where they all do one song and it's just like the bluebird café. hayes really has a country voice. he did a great one about this hotel where a former ramblin' gamblin' man is living by himself, in the middle of nowhere, and he's crippled or something so he can't leave. very spooky, nice, and hayes seems to me to have a real feel for that kind of thing. and a song from his "little rock" album. ray w.h. was incredible, funny, did "snake farm" about how much fun it is to fuck amongst snakes and so forth, and proved himself perhaps the greatest living or the last living talking-blues performer. good guitar, actually, proto-modal-blooze-non-lick/lick stuff. he had everybody laughing. lauderdale did a soul-ish ballad he wrote and one he wrote for george jones, and sang the latter sort of like jones. he's not a bad singer but he ain't jones.

hacienda bros. were entertaining, competent, and they did make the journey from cowboy music to soul in their set, wore cowboy hats, the guitarist sounded like he'd been studying his american studios guitar playing. good, nothing too heavy. dan penn was supposed to play but he only did a *bridge* with the brothers! we all missed it! cary baker had a picture of it on his digital camera, said "here, see, he played," and we're like, fuck, we missed it.

tres chicas was a buzz thing. personally i think they are nice girls, and goddam the mercy lounge was crowded for them, and they sounded like the byrds. the laggy tempos, chiming guitars, the affectless harmonies. i found it overrated and antiseptic. they sounded like the byrds, fairport convention--electric folk-rock of the high-minded variety circa 1968.

it was just too crowded in there, at those clubs on eighth ave. s., at some point. for me, anyway. i can't stay up late enough to see carlene carter, who started at 12-30 or something like that. heard she was good, good band, got a record coming out.

solomon burke was supposed to give off love in a meet-greet, but he did not show. he's playing the belcourt here for a taping, soon, and he has described the buddy miller record and sessions he did here as real relaxed, perhaps to a fault, with emmylou harris baking him cookies and everybody just pickin'. like he needs a cookie. i dunno, i like "nashville" by burke but it doesn't knock me out. he sings OK and there are certainly good songs. with joe tex dead and swamp dogg not makin' the goddam americana-fest, and gram parsons feared missing in the big hurricane that just wiped out new orleans well and for good, nothing's as fun as it used to be.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

So I just emailed Edd about this, but I'm looking for somebody to cover the International Bluegrass Music Association’s “World of Bluegrass” conference in Nashville this week (Sep 25 – Oct 1) for Billboard. If any writers who are going to be in Nashville this week think they might be interested, please contact me via email...

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

also, in completely unrelated matters, i just noticed that the song off julie roberts's sinking-without-barely-a-trace men and mascara that my pandora.com keeps playing, and that I've been liking whenever i hear it, "girl next door," is not on the mostly boring (as i recall) original-version advance i've still got (never saw a copy of the finished product.) which means that, if it's a song her label demanded that she do, her label was probably right (not that it seems to have done much good in the long run, so far).

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 23 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Girl Next Door" is on the advance I'm fixing to dump on Anthony; it's the one track produced by James Stroud.(Hayes Carll did a good set on one of those Pub Radio shows, think it was Woodsongs, anyway it's worth checking their archive for, despite creepy host)(the Byrds and especially Fairport were mostly pretty darn good, and the latter could be pretty great, ca. '68)Rev., I think the live (ca.'73) "Polk Salad Annie" I heard Elvis do on several audience tapes would fit with Bonnie Bramlett, Bobby Womack, Undisputed Truth, The Isley Brothers, The Bar-Kays and really most all of Nicky Siano's The Gallery, or as it says on the front of the sleeve only, Nicky Siano's Legendary The Gallery The Original New York Disco 1973-77 (either way, Soul Jazz Records SJR CD100) Reviewed here("Siano The Times"): http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0541,tracker_writer,59905,.html

don (dow), Saturday, 23 September 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Just back from Americana Mayhem in Nashnil--super awesome to hang for an evening with Mr. Hurt, who is as charming and hard drinking in the flesh as I'd guessed. I concur with his take above. The big awards hooha was a big snooze. Vince Gill gushed and rambled about Rodney Crowell and Rodney Crowell rambled about Guy Glark and Marty Stuart blee-blahhed about Kenny Vaughan, and just how many freakin' "Lifetime Achievement Awards" do they need to give? And Sam Bush wasn't the best mandolin player in the house no how. And Charlie Daniels got a Free Speech Award which made perfect sense since the First Amendment is all about the right to say dumb ass shit. However, if Robinella or Kasey Jones deserve nomination for anything it's for having publicists who know how to get pus from stones. The whole thing was redeemed only by Kim Richey wearing some kind of designer pup tent and James McMurtry dressed like Satan at a Texas BBQ and doing the great "We Can't Make It Here" (which won song of the year) and a Toussaint and Costello duo performance. Elvis C. leading a singalong? Yes. But my overall feeling was Kris K's: who do you have to screw to get out of this joint?

Other goings on included idiotic panels about Americana Image Makeover and booking agents telling people that it's not worth touring Europe cause you can make just as much in the lower 40. WTF. Evening showcase pleasures included Anne McCue, nervous but intense, covering Tony Joe White, right before he took the stage to descend fully into the primal blues ooze; Scott Miller loud as fuck; Carlene Carter looking sexy for having put on about 30 pounds and rocking and singing strong despite a meh band; a bracing solo James Hunter set in the Internet Cafe lounge; and a 1:30am set by Ray Wylie Hubbard, backed up by Seth James and Gary Nicholson on mean cat guitars, hilarious and iconoclastic without ever trying to be more than he is.

I'd go again, just for the free smokes all week. Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Co. pretty much subsidized my trip. Next time, Edd, we have to hang at the after hours hospitality suite. Open bar till 4am.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

I counted quite a few Cary Baker clients in that post, yas indeed. He the man, or one of 'em. "not worth touring Europe cause you can make just as much in the lower 40." Yes, that's what Elvis keeps telling the Colonel, I hear (I got the freelance contacts baby).

don (dow), Sunday, 24 September 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Superb close listening / reading on that McCue song, Don. You're right about her tonal resemblance to McVie.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 24 September 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Roy! the Stevie side is more the romantic impulsive side of her sensibilty than her actual sound, maybe (womanly/womany x girly, but it might be the influence of McCue's own early work on my hearing of her new). But it all still seems to fit, the more I listen. Also,Cary Baker(at least re "Alvarado") is reminded of Concrete Blonde's better stuff, or Johnette's better vocals, anyway.

don (dow), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Listening to the new Pat Green & all his Springsteen references (the lovers listening to "Born to Run" on "Feels Just Like It Should" and Pat singing about a 'brilliant disguise' on another track) got me thinking about how the Boss has shown up repeaedly over the last few years in country songs (off the top of my head MontGen's "Hell Yeah", Brooks & Dunn-"She was Born to Run.") Bruce catching up with Merle and Hank in the name drop stats? Was Springsteen popular in the south back in his prime? I live close to NJ so I tend to think of him as a regional artist. Any of his influence on contemporary country seems like it's been filtered through John Cougar but I don't hear a lot of lyrics like "driving around listening to Pink Houses."

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah he was and is popular in the South, but influence in country seems to show up more in dynamics of live show and his records that come closer to that, re combination of one-to-one (like the stories he'd tell between songs, and the more intimate songs) with TURN IT UP YEEHA. Not that country didn't laready have some of that, and and not that it didn't come from other 70s/80s non-country artists, but he's pretty handy, imagewise, etc. Otherwise, yeah, filtered more through Mellencamp's moody journeyman template, which you can use with out having to be as flamboyantly/overreachingly Broocian as you would likely be if trying to bite the primary source directly. (but country isn't nec Southern anyway; a lot of songs break first on Western stations, and a lot of the Western workforce/audience is from other areas, East as well as South; for that matter, I know a lot of people who have moved from the Southeast to Northeast, and vice versa [some coming back down here, when there are more jobs, and yet the cost of living remains lower than a lot of other areas])

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

great oxford american article here:
http://www.oxfordamericanmag.com/content.cfm?ArticleID=81&Entry=Extras

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

also a question

listening to sliding on the frets, the hawaiian guitar collection, there are several tracks where the volacaztions move from something hawaiian to something either bluesy (oscar woods here) or bluegrassy (the blue ridge ramblerS), or strangely enough yodelling
(the jaw dropping bezos hawaiian orhestra, singing sti honoloou(sp)...

i know that there was a hawaiiana craze in the southern united states (well in all of the united states in the 20s and 30s), and i know that the steel guitar came to country thru that craze, and the linear notes make some tennous connectections b/w blue grass, native hawiaan music, and the blues, among other things, so:

1) does anyone know anymroe of this history
2) how did hawaiian guitar become so popular in appalichia
3) did the work function the opposite way, is there a wakiki blue grass scene
4) w/ ww2, statehood, and the like, i understand the hawaiiana craze from the mid 50s, but have no idea where it came from the 20s or so?
5) also, does anyone know where else i can here this kind of thing

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

1. a good place for anthony to find more of that kind of thing: "hawaiian steel guitar classics 1927-1938," arhoolie 1993 CD.
2. springsteen in country: jamie o'neal mentioned driving around to "born to in the u.s.a." i believe in "brave" (i think it was) last year. in the late '80s or so, mac mcnally (i think -- i used to have a good best-of LP by him but don't anymore) i believe hit the country charts with a cover of sprinsteen's ("river"-era i believe?) rockabilly b-side "stand on it." so the phenomenon is not necessarily something new. i'm sure i'll think of other examples.
3. "she was country when country wasn't cool: a tribute to barbara mandrell" on now, and it's excellent. RIGHT now: brad paisley covering "in times like these," the original of which i don't think i ever heard before (it's not on the great 1979 MCD mandrell best-of on my shelf), but this version, at least, very BLATANTLY uses the same riff-rhythm that black sabbath used in "children of the grave" and blondie used in "call me". to determine whether it is metal country or disco country, one would have to figure out whether babs's original came out before or after 1980 i suppose. five songs in, what's otherwise amazing about this album is how that it reminds me how barbara mandrell's hits sounded as much like '70s soul music as '70s country music. even reba and kenny doing "i was country when country wasn't cool" has soul music in it. and "in the midnight oil," right now in gretchen's version, sounds like....well, i'm blanking out on '70s women soul singers. edd, give me a hint, okay? (okay now sara evans telling me that i can eat crackers in her bed any time. wow, what a sexy song. with a weird double meaning maybe?)
(dullest track by far so far is sung by willie and shelby, fwiw.)
4. bomshel album, apparently coming out on curb sometime soon, is very entertaining; my main misgiving, bizarrely, is i wish it was more emotional, though maybe the emotion will kick in like the goofiness has. "bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno. they also cover "the devil went down to georgia," and the devil's (prog/classical metal, i'm now realizing) fiddle solo still wins though of course they still don't admit it, and this time he's competing against a girl fiddle player named chrissie i think. bomshel are two girls themselves, one on fiddle and one on guitar, one (judging from their website and myspace page) who presents herself as a touch motorcycle chick and one who wears an almost b-52s-worthy wacky blonde bouffant. in "country music love song," they go to what appears to be a gay bar and talk to drag queens and transvestites. not exactly their kind of place, they tell us, but they seem to have a good time.
5. new tea leaf green album, *rock'n'roll band* earns its title. even better than the last one, for its instrumental parts, by which i mean mainly not only its guitar parts. the vocals, still deadhead mellow, don't grab me but also don't really bug me. if there are any other "jam bands" this listenable out there, i'd like to know who.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

(TOUGH motorcycle chick.) (and other typo corrections where that came from.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

also "i mean mainly BUT not only [the new tea leaf green album's] guitar parts." (dammit.)

dierks covering barbara's alleged "fast lanes and country roads" now. it rocks.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

and mandrell's 1979 best-of LP was on MCA. (does anybody remember her TV show? was it any good? better or worse than mac davis's??)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

(and oops, hadn't noticed; final track on mandrell CD is "he set my life to music" by cece winans, which doesn't seem great but still intrigues me. did barbara have a soul music following, at all? AMG [see below] doesn't list any r&b chart appearances, but who knows how those charts worked then. either way, i wouldn't be surprised.)

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE67818DE4EAD7E20C79A3A40CDAD67FD1BFE5AFB86112F0456D3B82D40AF1844C34FA39A81B8E576B466ADFF2EA21606D9C8EF5CFDDB764C40&sql=11:6gjveaw04xg7~T5

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

(also, those AMG tallies appear to be just albums, not singles.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

im really interested in mandrell, because she went from sueprstar to shut in so quickly, and all you see her in these days is specials about the history of soemthing or other...

how hard is it to find the box set on ebay or something?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know anything about any box set, Anthony.

Also great on the (potentially eddy 2006 top ten) mandrell tribute: leann rimes's over-the-top adult r&b "if loving you is wrong i don't want to be right" (apparently previously sung by bobby blue bland, the drifters, isaac hayes, luther ingram, the emotions, and most significantly in mandrell's case millie jackson -- she did other millie j. songs too, right? though i doubt she ever sat on a toilet taking a dumb on an LP cover); terri clark's rocking "sleeping single in a double bed"; blaine larsen's very jazzily western swinging "i wish that i could fall in love today." wow. (paisley's sabbath/blondie rhythm track turns out mainly to be a hard boogie.)

also, bruce's "stand on it" wasn't done by mac mcanaly (whoever he is -- i've heard he's good but not sure i've ever heard him); it was done by mel mcdaniel. i always get those two mixed up, but mcdaniel (of "louisiana saturday night" fame) is the one whose best-of album i was retarded to have gotten rid of once upon a time. (xgau's '80s book gives the LP with "stand on it" a B; the greatest hits a B+.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

(or taking a DUMP, for that matter.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

(barbara mandrell poos clouds.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't hear a lot of lyrics like "driving around listening to Pink Houses."

Well, Kenny Chesney talks about "Jack and Diane" (along with Steve Miller's "Keep On Rockin' Me Baby" --that's what he calls it; what is it really, just "Rockin' Me"? -- and Billy Joel's "Only The Good Die Young") in "Live Those Songs." That's one. (The Leather Nun talk about "Pink Houses" in "Pink House," but they probably don't count.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

bomshel stomp," their apparent country dance club two-step hit, is so disco it's almost techno.

ha, basically who it totally sounds like (except with a girl singing) is Rednex! (Was their "Cotton Eyed Joe" a two-step hit in the U.S., or only a techno dance hit in Europe? Now I need to know.)

Now Bomshel's totally unnecessary but perfectly entertaining "Devil Went Down to Georgia" cover is making me wonder about apparent non-sequiturs I never gave a moment's worth of thought to before:

"The devil's in the house of the rising sun": I'm assuming this means the whorehouse itself, and is hence a moral warning? Except the house is in New Orleans, and he's in Georgia. Dude gets around!

"Chicken's in the bed pan, pickin' out dough." Or at least that's what it sounds like. I guess it would make perfect sense if you work in a bakery. But what does it have to do with the rest of the song? Was Charlie appropriating an ancient square dance call, or what?

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

yep, ive heard the call on a couple of sqaure dance records i own, but i dont remember what its called, i will look it up in a second

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony, the Julie Roberts abomination (which should be the name of her band) is on its way. Nick Tosches' book Country: America's Biggest Music names the Hawaiian guy who's been credited with inventing "Hawaiian" guitar, and that book's usually accurate, but Nick adds, It's hard to believe he's the first one who thought of doing that to a guitar," and indeed, reading elsewhere about the history of dobros, use of bottles, knives and steel slides, all the way back to accounts of slaves stringing bailing wire along the sides of barns, and sliding rakes,etc back and forth, part of the appeal in the South might have been that Hawaiian and "Hawaiian" music basically sounded familiar, but also in a quaint new seeting (especially good for those of my own Appalachian ancestors who weren't too fond of black people, but liked some of their music). (While it's true that mah 'billies resisted being dragged into the Civil War, some also blamed the slaves for not conveniently rising up and slaughtering the planter class, nipping the war in the bud.(Thus the Klan was founded in the foothills, not the Black Belt, the cotton country, but that's where it really caught on, in a more lingering way. Alabama's own Nelstone's Hawaiians appear on Harry Smith's Smithsonian Anthology, which I don't have time to unearth rat now, but might tell more about it, and Nick's book and that xpost comp xhuxx cites. Yeah, in the record stores, I sold a lot of soul and country to the same people (white and black), and of course Ray Charles' Modern Sounds In Country And Western was suffused in soul, duh, despite being a landmark of proto-countrypolitan (or the Nashville Sound, since I never heard the word "countrypolitan" til early 70s). And Elvis and Tony Joe White, xpost Rev. Hoodoo's and my exchange above, certainly did a lot that way, and the white bluecoller r&b connection was prob a big part of Springsteen's appeal in country (Gary Stewart was hyped as "the Springsteen of country" ca. '75, if not '74)Aretha and Al Green were doing really good country covers by the mid-70s, at least. (And we were talking about Stoney Edwards upthread, or was it last year's? Been a long year...) Anthony, Mandrell went full-steam for several years, and then had a really, really bad carwreck, dunno what else happened to her. I'll have to check that tribute, and Bomshel too. FarmAid's live on the web today,and you can link from their site: http://www.farmaid.org

don (dow), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

i knew about the car wreck, i didnt know how bad it was, thanks for all the info don, i knew kind of bout what tosches wrote, but he seems to over simplify things

i still owe you jason mccoy (and edd, and someone else) aargh busy

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

chicken's in the BREAD pan not bed pan (which somebody is pooing clouds in instead.) speaking of country chicken, frank just emailed me this link. he says he prefers the song to (my single of the year) "chicken noodle soup." i don't, but i do like this regardless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM

it occurs to me that bombsel MIGHT be attempting a female version of big n rich's dual-harmony disco-country concept, in a way. their harmonies, if in fact they exist, are pretty close though. unless it's just one of the bombshell multi-tracked, i'm not sure yet.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

and ms. peachez reminds me: didn't sylvester have some countrified moments on his early blue thumb LPs with the hot band or whatever they were called? sadly, i no longer own them to check. (also, early chicago house music had certain country aspects as well, in its boogie woogie piano, etc. There was even an artist called Farm Boy!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

i gave that to frank, in a link, while figuring out minstelry, he told me not to be silly...im not sure i like it, but then i hate fun, so its all sorted

looking thru my sqaure dance books, i found something called the chicken reel but nothing with the line, chicken in the bread pan, picking up dough

http://www.ceder.net/choreo/patter_sayings.php4 but this song claims the two lines are:

Chicken in the bread pan pickin' out dough
Big pig rootin' up the little tater now.

Chicken in the bread pan scratching out gravel,
get your maid & away you travel.

so i was right, but i dont have the dance patterns

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=4869

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of morons on that link:

"Country music definitely re-enforces redneck sister-fucking, whiskey-drinking, big-truck, cowboy retard stereotype as much as Yin Yang twins promote chicken-lovin, monkey-actin, small brained jigs. "

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of people who flunked Geography class too (unless they all live where Anthony does, which makes the entire lower 48 "the south.")

This guy seems pretty smart, though:

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Divide and conquer is what is abound. Folk on here talking about racial stereotypes, while using slurrs thats really proactive. The negative context of minstrel shows came from whites applying blackface and exploiting and using thier act to copy or ridicule blacks with talent. This was a case of wanting to enjoy black entertainment, as long as there were not any real blacks around. You can see later how these black influences later appeared in their dances, music and speech.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
A minstrel is a poor entertainer who performs for income, the musician, dancer, mime, poet or singer with a cup on the street could be considered a minstrel. I really find it ignorant for some to base the culture and intelligence of a whole group, based on the actions of a few entertainers, whom acting a fool for comedic value in an apparently on purpose manner. They are making a choice on how to express themselves through their medium. Do you think these people function in this manner all during their daily functions? If you do, who is really an ignorant fool.

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Dont you find it odd, that the black people in region of this country that has taken the biggest and most severe forms of racism is accused of perpetuating racial stereotypes? Do you not think we have a firm grasp on what is truly harmful to not just us, but all people of color in this country?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
Now its north vs south, with the north being most critical of music that if you used an unbiased analytical ear you will hear similar influences universally. Why must the aspiring efforts of others be ostrasiced because of your particular taste? Its one thing to be critical, but being contemptuous toward your own is new improved bigotry. Fact is, we are free people, we can dance, talk, eat and express ourselves without fear or worry of what others think, is this not America?

Dr Flav Says:

September 24th, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Finally, with all this talk about a drag queen cooking chicken, a teenager bragging about a chain and children making up a funny named dance, where is the criticism of the murder, drug dealing, drug using, violence and irresponsibility that has been present in the hip hop music of all regions for over two decades? I sense their are hypocrites with an agenda pushing this southern hate. They dont have to like our music, its enough of us that buy it, but this character assassination of general southern is a problem and can become a problem to northern people who visit and live here in the south, who wants to interact with someone who feels like that towards you?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)


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