80's Metal: Classic Or Dud?

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It was all great!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 30 August 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

hey how about showing more pics of badly dressed,badly hairstyled 80s metal bands?
Who can come up with the worst(best?) pic?

― Ian, Friday, 30 August 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

'dress up and look like proper chicks' -> obviously you were marking out to the christina aguilera & britney spears outfits from last night. hey wait wasn't britney's outfit worn by motley crue's backup singers on the dr feelgood tour?

and i wore black jeans, not blue, most days.

anyway.

on the headbangers' ball tip:

classic: love/hate, la guns, tesla, faster pussycat pre-industrialization, cinderella, 'someone like you' by bang tango, the day i cut school to be in the crowd for a trixter video, 'thc groove' by the bulletboys, electric angels, 'i do u' by kingofthehill, 'all lips 'n hips' by electric boys, enuff z'nuff (even though they were hardly metal, but eh), spread eagle, dangerous toys, 'seventeen' by winger, the second skid row album, warrior soul, 'stranger than paradise' by sleeze beez, 'down boys' by warrant, metal-sludge.com.

dud: most of the ballads (excepting 'don't know what you got ('til it's gone),' 'the ballad of jayne,' ), hericane alice, those cleopatra vocalists-meet-industrial-dudes tribute comps, tora tora, that whole jackyl-lumberjack thing, any band with a keyboard player except those listed under 'classic.'

― maura (maura), Friday, 30 August 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Whats wrong with 80s pop metal?
If we're gonna have metal i'd rather have it POP than noisy crap like Sepultura,Slayer,Slipknot or indulgent arty metal bores like QOTSA, Tool,Kyuss.

As for "The music you speak of was what the industry served the masses to keep them away from the good music of the 80s. It was obedience training for the slavish 90s."

Give me cinderella,twisted sister,G N R , Ratt,Dokken, Scorpions, Motley Crue,Poison,Warrant and their pop metal musings ahead of overrated media darlings like Husker Du,Pixies,Smiths,Wedding Present,MBV, Primal Scream ANY day.

― brad, Friday, 30 August 2002 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, but qotsa != boring.

― maura (maura), Friday, 30 August 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned that this unfortunately-formed sentence actually captures one of 80's metal's key appeals: the guys could dress up and look like proper chicks too, just like the guys in the bands!

Anyone else remember John Mendelsson's explaination for this? He said that they dressed that way so that groupies would know how they should be dressed when they went backstage.

Maura: I saw black jeans occasionally, too. I should have just said jeans.

Also, I thought that Jackyl was an nineties band. They're classic, too: any metal band that has the sense of humor to put a chainsaw on one of their records is a classic in my book.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 30 August 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm still not sure how you can go this many posts about 80s metal without mentioning either Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica or Megadeth.

Those hairspray bands sucked. Freakin' Dio or Accept was a whole lot better than any of those bands.

I am so glad SST used to run those ads in Hit Parader.

― earlnash, Friday, 30 August 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't megadeth sort of assumed knowledge though? it's sort of like why i didn't mention guns n roses -- 'yeah yeah, we know.' i wonder if dave mustaine wrangled a deal so he could collect royalties off mtv news' use of the 'peace sells' bass riff in their 'you hear it ... first' bits.

― maura (maura), Friday, 30 August 2002 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

At least around the thugs I grew up with, if you liked Megadeth, you shure as hell didn't like Winger or Britany Fox, that was wussy music.

Looking back, Judas Priest has to be one of the most subversive groups ever. You have definitely got another thing coming.

― earlnash, Friday, 30 August 2002 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

well this is just proof that metal gurls were more enlightened than boyz!!

― maura (maura), Friday, 30 August 2002 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

When dad wouldn't let 13-year-old me buy the Poison album because the guys wore so much makeup, I knew I was onto something. "I Want Action" is a lost Ramones song.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd900/d933/d93311eg41h.jpg

I quickly moved on to the Cure (love those eyeliner boys) after a brief stop in Anthraxville, and yes, it was way too much at a time, but there's some great stuff there to be rediscovered.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 30 August 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll give you that... The only thing your average 80s Megadeth fan "enlightened" was a bong.

― earlnash, Friday, 30 August 2002 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The US Poison: terrible.
The German Poison: great.

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 30 August 2002 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

gwar to thread

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 30 August 2002 19:10 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/covers/pbfloyd.jpg

BEST

ALBUM

EVER

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

...if only for the cover.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

earlnash: I agree, Judas Priest and Metallica were wonderful. But every one of the bands that Jonathan mentioned were hair metal bands, so I figured that he wanted to talk about that particular subgenre of metal.

Subject for discussion: The eighties were the decade in which hard rock/heavy metal replaced pop as the mainstream of rock music. Or should I say the nineties?

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I cant believe anyone would listen to hair metal. Pop and metal shouldnt mix. If anyone grew up in that decade then they would know how bad that music was.
It was metal for people who didnt like metal. I remeber at high school some people liked those bands and they always said to others"Its not heavy metal,its more soft rock" as if it justified it all!
Those who listened to it were the ones who believed rock was proper music and pop wasnt. Yet they were listening to the most mainstream chart orientated music at that time.

― tim1, Friday, 30 August 2002 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

tim/jonathan/ben/wilma/brenda/ian/brad, explain to me the appeal of making up dozens of different "characters" to post when you all talk in EXACTLY the same way, and then doing the same thing over and over again on different threads, based round TOTALLY LAME ARGUMENTS!!

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 30 August 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, a hurt Baron Smedley just emailed to assure me that he and his pals are all different people with different opinions and styles, but they all share the same Broadband. So cool and fair enough and sorry for being as bit mean and gruff there. But don't just hang a round in a bunch talking to each other!! It's a party!! Mingle!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 31 August 2002 07:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Much of it was enjoyable but I don't know that it was a lot better than any other period of rock music. It wasn't exactly a creative high point, you know? We just like it more because we grew up on it. Most of the 70s movements that preceded it were probably more substantial but it might have been as good as grunge. It didn't produce many great albums. (I'm curious how many of its advocates here listen to Pride or Open Up And Say Ahhh. . . or the first Skid Row album on a regular basis.) Contemporary modern rock radio probably has more interesting music to offer in all honesty. Much more variety, more efforts at hybridizing different genres including the incorporation of non-rock elements. I'm not really sure that classic rock radio has improved since it started playing Def Leppard more than Deep Purple.

― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 31 August 2002 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

80s metal worries me, mainly because it's become too enshrined with smug, self-satisfied, Top Shop irony in the past few years. "Hey, Tara, Krispin, Emily, let's go listen to some Poison records!" "Smashing idea Tarquin, I can wear my stupid fucking poncey ironic Iron Madien top whilst we're doing it"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 31 August 2002 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

that's a bullshit reason for actually disliking the stuff itself, though, dom: they're embarrassed to admit they actually quite like something they nevertheless consider a bit naff, you're hostile to it because of the naffness of the people currently saying they like it, what's the difference here?

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 31 August 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I don't judge the music on that... well, in a way I do. It makes me feel uncomfortable to listen to it because of all the baggage that goes with it. (I actually really do like early GnR, and someone mentioned Anthrax at the thread's top, who were quality). However, I can't call myself a "fan" of it, not only because most of it fails to appeal to me (on the whole, I don't like guitar driven music that much), but, secondly, it makes me feel like the consensus view on this is that it's great to like, as long as you don't really like it, which is a view I'm fucked if I'm subscribing to. It's exactly the same way that student cheese parties have made me slowly despise "Build Me Up Buttercup", which I used to love before university. Maybe I'm wrong, but... it makes me feel uncomfortable.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 31 August 2002 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Siegbran: Tell me more about the German Poison.

Most of the people that I know that like 80s hair metal like it for nostalgic reasons, not ironic ones.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Saturday, 31 August 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The German Poison played excellent thrash/proto-black metal (like "In The Sign Of Evil"-era Sodom) and became quite a cult band with their demos. The resulting album's good too. The band is long dead, although some members started a new band with the very silly name of "RU Dead?". Never heard any recordings of that band though.

From the BM list:

Poison: Germany 1982-1987
# Right, not *that* Poison
Sons of Evil/demo/1984
Black Angel/demo/1984
# A promo
Bestial Death/demo/1985
Awakening of the Dead/demo/1986
Live Terror/demo/1986
Into The Abyss/1986 [Music Collection/?]
# Re-released on CD in 1993. This is not an EP although there are only
# four tracks

I'm still searching for the CD rerelease of the debut, so if anyone has it....

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Sunday, 1 September 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

hey someone posted about pretty boy floyd in this thread -- that'll show me not to click back after i've said something.

going through my mp3s, and my filepile list, made me realize just how much of a classic love/hate is. their first two album are great, if you can get a hold of them.

― maura (maura), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Shouldn't this be a "Search & Destroy"?

Classic: Guns 'N' Roses (duh), Megadeath (more Punk than Metal), "Pour Some Sugar On Me" (more Pop than Metal), "Ace Of Spades", Ozzy, "Back In Black", Basket Full Of Puppies.

Dud: METALLICA (yes, I hated them pre-Napster. Yes, pre-"Load", too.)

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Basically, you like metal as long as it sounds like rock, pop or punk?

― Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Wednesday, 11 September 2002 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

i bought "DRFSR" by warrant yesterday, i think i'd forgotten just how great warrant are. i listened to it in the bath with my bottle of champagne. i really love songs about getting with country girls.

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

my top five men i wanted to marry in the late 80s: 1) CC DeVille
2)Rikki Rockett
3) Jani Lane
4) Sebastian Bach
5) Joey Tempest.

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

80's metal? Well, apart from Shout At the Devil, make mine N.W.O.B.H.M.!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

this "jonathan" character was a joke, yes?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"Great classic bands. Who were REAl men. Knew how to party hard ™
They took drugs,shagged audience members had hundreds of groupies.They acted like how bands should.
The fans, especially the ladies could dress up and look like proper chicks. Instead of that darned grunge where it made everyone dress like a dyke...Its time rock went back to state of the art modern production like they did in the 80s. Its the only way to get new sounds."

top class trolling...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"Everyone knows that Heavy Metal is the most conservative of all the loud rock music. No gym teacher could ever get that many people to dress alike!"

But most metal fans don't dress like that. So you don't know they're metal fans.

Other music have dress codes too.

Punk, Goth, Indie, Rap...

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

With the exception of Def Leppard's "Pyromania" and "Hysteria" albums, plus Van Halen's "Jump" single: DUD!

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

erol alkan played 'sweet child o' mine' at the last bugged out! and i have rarely seen a club explode in that way. CLASSIC!

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I still have Warrant's "Cherry Pie" on tape. I'm always tempted to buy Winger's greatest hits, I dunno why, as "Miles Away" was their only good song.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

you are all fucking nuts: the best metal ever

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

But Iron Maiden is extremely melodic, Geir!

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

geir what are your feelings on mutt lange?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Maiden probably had better melodies than Leppard. They were more prog too. You'd probably like them.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

geir what are your feelings on mutt lange?

As a producer (and that is his job, isn't it), he is really good. Doesn't mean that every single album he has ever produced is great though, because that depends on the songs therein. But I have a lot of respect for Mutt Lange anyway.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Looking back, all those bands were awful. But they looked so great! I wish they'd been good....

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

I just heard Poison's "Nothing But a Good Time" again for the first time since I was...5? and it sounded awesome... really quite fresh, infinitely better than I remembered.

― OCP (OCP), Friday, 9 January 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been listening to the AC/DC back catalog extensively in the last few months, and the more I listen, the less I like the Mutt Lange produced albums.

But 80s metal = still classic. More NWOBHM nostalgia: Angel Witch, Witchfynde, Agent Steel, Cloven Hoof, Razor, Jag Panzer...

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Kreator, Destruction
When I looked at this I thought it said Kitchens of Distinction, and then I read it as Kreators of Destruction.
Kreators of Destruction would be the best band name ever of all time.

-- Andy K (), August 30th, 2002 3:06 PM. (link)

Someone help. I just peed a little bit.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 9 January 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

CLASSIC!! I listened to Nuclear motherfuckin' Assault today. There's some great pics on their website of the band playing - still just as drunk and crazy as they always were. There's a great one of John Connelly with an empty Budweiser case over his head rockin' out lying on the stage. The next time Slayer does one of their alcohol tours they need to get Nuclear Assault on the bill and I'll follow the tour everywhere and be at every show.

Poison wasn't 80's metal - they were 80's drip.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(you guys are so going to love/hate the 1988 cdr "go!" extravaganza)

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

You better have a Nuclear Assault song on there!!

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(there can be if they have anything on iTunes)

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(though, ostensibly, Survive is not really a prime moment for them)

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, still classic, a staple like pasta.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking sides: paying for a great metal song on iTunes for a buck vs. paying for a used vinyl copy of a late 80s anonymous Enigma/Metal Blade/Combat/Relativity metal album for a buck or two.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Go one better, make sure it's a CD still packaged in a generic Enigma/Metal Blade longbox.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

downloading is sorta anti-metal, I think. It's not the same, just not at all.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

note: tygers of pang tang aren't that great, hanoi rocks are.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if they only showed a skull-shaped progress bar filling up with blood instead of a normal progress bar while downloading metal, then maybe it would be cool, but jel has a point.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there a Grim Reaper screensaver?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, jel has a point on the end of SHARP RUSTY METAL BLADE READY TO ROCK YOU TO A MERCILESS JOURNEY OF DESPAIR AND MAYHEM.... *OOOGABOOGAOOOGABOOGA WAAAA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-H YEEEEEAH!*

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Though having said that, I did find this great site with hair-metal MP3's!...Must find that link...

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sleazeroxx.com/audio.shtml

Wow!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Jel, I kiss you... KISS YOU KISS YOU KISS YOU!

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

MY TONGUE IS LIKE POISON, IT FILLS UP YOUR MOU-OU-OUTHHHHHH

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

80's speed/thrash/death metal, classic. As for hair/glam metal, don't care for it. It reminds me too much of county fairs, nausea, and babysitters inviting ther boyfriends over and ordering me not to tell my parents. And Freddy fuckng Krueger.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

note: tygers of pang tang aren't that great, hanoi rocks are.

Wow, Jel = otm x 1000

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Survive is by far my favorite Nuclear Assault album - go figure. The one before it was too hit and miss and they lost some of the hardcore edge on Handle With Care - especially on the Glenn Evans tracks.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! that site had Vain....no one ever remembers them but they had a great, sad, kinda minor key glam metal album in the late 80s called no respect...they split the difference between the first LA Guns record and D.A.D....awesome!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hundreds of streaming 80s Hair/Glam metal videos are available here!
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/glamdaddy/

― Candy, Friday, 9 January 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

(Well, hopefully Nuclear Assault are iTunes friendly. i'm curious)

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 9 January 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Tuff
I Hate Kissing You Goodbye
Poison
Every Rose Has It's Thorn
Poison
Life Goes On
Poison
So Tell Me Why
Poison
Something To Believe In
Poison
Unskinny Bop
The London Quireboys
Hey You
The London Quireboys
I Don't Love You Anymore
Badlands
The Last Time
Barren Cross
Imaginary Music
Bulletboys
Talk To Your Daughter
Alice Cooper
Poison
Cry Wolf
Pretender
Faith No More
Epic
Faster Pussycat
You're So Vain
Faster Pussycat
Nonstop to Nowhere
Def Leppard
Stand Up, Kick Love Into Motion (Uncensored)
Dio
Wild One
Enuff Z'Nuff
Life Is Strange
Enuff Z'Nuff
Wheels
Great White
House Of Broken Love
Lynch Mob
Wicked Sensation
Lynch Mob
River Of Love
Mr. Big
To Be With You
Vince Neil
You're Invited (But Your Friend Can't Come)
Queensryche
Eyes Of A Stranger
Quiet Riot
Cum On Feel The Noize
Ratt
Lovin' You's A Dirty Job
Ratt
Shame Shame Shame
Saigon Kick
Love Is On The Way
Richie Sambora
Ballad Of Youth
Skid Row
Monkey Business
Skid Row
Quicksand Jesus
Skid Row
Wasted Time.
Slaughter
Real Love
Slaughter
The Wild Life
Southgang
Tainted Angel
Southgang
Love Ain't Enough
Southgang
Tug Of War
Chrissy Steele
Love Don't Last Forever
Chrissy Steele
Love You Til It Hurts
Stryper
Always There For You
Stryper
Shining Star
Twisted Sister
I Wanna Rock
Type O Negative
Black No. 1
Vixen
Cryin'
Vixen
Love Made Me
Vixen
How Much Love
Vixen
Love Is A Killer
W.A.S.P.
Arena Of Pleasure
Warrant
Family Picnic
White Lion
Tell Me
Winger
Easy Come Easy Go
all at http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/glamdaddy/

― Candy, Friday, 9 January 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

'Fight To Be Free' and 'Survive' are still some of the most intense metal songs I've ever heard. One of my all-time favorite metal moments is where John Connelly screams "Its time to stand up and make yourself FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" on 'Fight To Be Free'

You can probably tell I really love that album. Its an all-time favorite. I hope theyre iTunes friendly too. Whatever that means.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 10 January 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

'Rise From The Ashes' is probably the best song though. I remember listening to that shit so loud and that part where Dan Lilker plays that really fast bassline by himself and they go into that fuckin INSANE fast part - thats just amazing. They were and still are such an underrated band. They are right behind Slayer for me when it comes to just brutal, agressive hardcore metal.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 10 January 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

I just love how that Britny Fox picture appears on every 80s metal thread.

― Rock bastard, Saturday, 20 March 2004 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

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