Jesus Christ Superstar: Classic or Sacrilege?

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Both JCS & Godspell are classics. Definitely NOT sacreligious. They don't denigrate spirituality. Cliche-ishly, they make it "relevant" for the modern age. The movies of JCS & Godspell are okay, but the *reality* of film diminishes the impact of the music and the message. In the "suspended disbelief" of the musical theatre versions, the story, the music, and the spiritual themes come alive.

And respectfully, God is funky.

Christopher, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love that part in the film where everybody is happy and singing and then the crowd suddenly goes "Hey J.C. J.C would die for me" and the picture freezes on Christ's face, his expression spelling "ehhh, I'm in deep shit now." Crucifixion scene with the sun behind his dying face is sublime. Sort of classic then, when it's on tv I tend to skip the middle part, can't take all that singing in one go.

Omar, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...
taking sides: ian gillian vs ted nelly
who was the better jesus?
wot's that buzz? tell me wot's happening

chaki (chaki), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:19 (twenty-three years ago)

None of them. There is no such thing as sacrilege, but JCS was just dull anyway...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:31 (twenty-three years ago)

no way man "everything's alright" is a dope song and you know you want to be judas.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

sacrilege=influence?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Ted "The Screaming Jesus" Neeley best, esp. on Gethsemane.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The Screaming Jesus sounds like a great WWF wrestling name.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought ian gillian was the screaming jesus and ted neely was the more restrained one?

chaki (chaki), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Love it, especially the opening Judas solo bit. My dad's a super leftist type minister (he went to seminary at Berkley in the mid 60s) so I grew up on all the rock operas mentioned in this thread. I declared myself an athiest by the time I was eight, but I still enjoyed the albums.

Dave Fischer, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 05:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Ted Neeley sounds like David Clayton Thomas to me. Ian Gillan gets my vote.

I wish Murray Head would make a comeback. He should appear on Buffy as Giles' elusive bisexual singer/actor brother, that'd be great.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

arthur is otm about murray head

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeepers Creepers, slacker guy.

Check this shit out!

I suppose Murray is more elusive that Anthony Stewart, but if they hired Murray to sing all of the Giles parts, I'd be happy. A family schism would no doubt ensue -- coffee versus chess.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
I think it's the only straightforwardly good ALW musical. oh yes.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

"Everything's Alright" is so totally classic it hurts.

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

fucking awful sacrilege. totally worthless!

masta ace, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

no way dude

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 01:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"Joseph" is also straightforwardly good.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 02:43 (twenty-three years ago)

it's funny that this thread came up right now. i just picked up this record for a dollar this weekend. i heard a bunch of it on the local college radio a few weeks ago and was pretty impressed. reminded me of my favorite Max Roach and Bobby Hutcherson records with vocals.

i realized after i read this thread though that i got only the selections from the performance and Jesus was sung by Jeff Fenholt which noone upthread mentions. should i look for a different version (longer and with a different singer)???

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 06:04 (twenty-three years ago)

yah dude. the original 1970 MCA concept album with Ian Gillian as Jesus. thats the ONE. all others are not worthy.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

There are some good pop songs here, so classic. I wanted to shoot myself, though, when I saw this performed by an all-star all-state high school troupe many years ago.

As far as ALW musicals go, I'll have to pick Starlite Express.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 06:20 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

JCSS is playing here in a few weeks. Should I go see Ted Neeley get INRIed for the million billionth time?

demonic splendor, demonic majesty (Abbott), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:29 (sixteen years ago)

I am listening to "The Temple" and it kind of sounds like he's wailing, "A cellphone should be a house of prayer!"

demonic splendor, demonic majesty (Abbott), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

Love the reaction of the cast and crew in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rEVwwB3Iw0

Chris, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

I never got why Judas went on about a "jaded Mandarin"...could anyone explain?

demonic splendor, demonic majesty (Abbott), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:45 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/photos/birds/mandarin-duck-20446.jpg

???

demonic splendor, demonic majesty (Abbott), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:47 (sixteen years ago)

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/6/68/Mandarin.jpg/442px-Mandarin.jpg

Morelike.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:49 (sixteen years ago)

According to wikipedia: "In modern English, mandarin is also used to refer to any (though usually a senior) civil servant, often in a satirical context, and particularly in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:50 (sixteen years ago)

I think Andrew Lloyd Webber's from the UK.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:50 (sixteen years ago)

What the hell is that in the middle of Ted Neeley's forehead?

mottdeterre, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

Microphone?

Chris, Thursday, 1 April 2010 21:51 (sixteen years ago)

this is from the Soul of JCSS. chaki kinda went apeshit over it when he heard it.

http://www.robotsinheat.com/trax/HeavenOnTheirMinds.mp3

jaxon, Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:25 (sixteen years ago)

classic, though it's real difficult to put on a good production of it. I loved Carl Anderson's movie rendition of Judas - went to see him on his last U.S. tour of JCS with *shudder* Sebastian Bach. He was amazing...met him, talked to him, got his autograph, and he died a year later :(.

Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Thursday, 1 April 2010 23:13 (sixteen years ago)

Fuck. I didn't know Carl Anderson died. R.I.P. Most important part of JCSS, imo.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 1 April 2010 23:38 (sixteen years ago)

yea, I think it was 2004. he was only like 58. and yea, there's never been another Judas close to his intensity and complexity...Murray Head's was good but of course we never got a visual with him.

Somewhere, I have the 30 year anniversary remastered original recording, and I've lost it twice :(

Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Thursday, 1 April 2010 23:40 (sixteen years ago)

The Norman Jewison film is on ITV3 this very second. How dare they hide it away at 1:15am! First time I've seen it in ages and I'm loving it.

Chris, Saturday, 3 April 2010 00:46 (sixteen years ago)

other than the occasionally mentally retarded disciples and the tuneless and redundant "Now We Are Decided", I really like the movie version as well.

Phoenix in Flight (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 3 April 2010 03:54 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

So did anyone watch Superstar on ITV?

Chris, Thursday, 26 July 2012 12:49 (thirteen years ago)

"i dont know how to love him" on the stage soundtrack album is the shit

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 23:28 (thirteen years ago)

i mean the original album

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 23:31 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

What's the buzz?

When I Get To The Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 April 2014 17:44 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTofJSEdKCs

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:48 (nine years ago)

two years pass...

NO, WAIT!—

we need a permanent solution to our

prooooblemmmmm

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 22:42 (seven years ago)

I played Pilate in this

One of my favorite musicals yet i have never seen a staged version that gets an A from me

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:18 (seven years ago)

Me as Pilate in 2013

https://youtu.be/84ewZfdKrjk

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:20 (seven years ago)

:D awesome

Boles to the Wolds (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:22 (seven years ago)

Yeah, that's excellent.

Like, Don't Sit in It, Don't Stand In It, Don't talk in it, just GE (I M Losted), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:52 (seven years ago)

Haaa fantastic!

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 April 2019 00:10 (seven years ago)

Excellent. Great song that one.

piscesx, Thursday, 11 April 2019 00:14 (seven years ago)

!! awesome

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 April 2019 02:01 (seven years ago)

HEAL YOURSELVES

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:17 (seven years ago)

then i was inspired
now i'm sad and tired

btw neanderthal that is awesome

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:40 (seven years ago)

Ty

This is my fav musical not called Sweeney Todd

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 06:07 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

I have King Herod's Song in my head something fierce now

rob, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

Surprising not to see any mention of the 2018 John Legend version. I still haven't seen it. Any good?

piscesx, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:16 (six years ago)

Yeah except for Legend

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:44 (six years ago)

It's okay, but most of the vocals aren't rock-the-fuck-out type of vocals like the seventies versions. Ben Daniels was a good actor as Pilate, but he's no Barry Dennen. I wouldn't go out of my way for it.

Let's Make A Bad Twee / Indie Version of You (I M Losted), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:49 (six years ago)

True but in all fairness, I haven't heard a production that was in many years. I blame the poppification of modern musical theatre. Even in the UK! The 1996 London revival had all rough edges sanded off, Jesus singing like a pop star, orchestrations much more over the top. Don't get me started on the 2000 Broadway one.

What I did like is that they staged it well and the cast was very excited and into it. Really liked the Judas, Caiphas, thought Bareilles did a serviceable job as Magdalene.

Problem is that you really can't stunt cast Jesus as his vocal parts are some of the most challenging that exist for males in musical theatre. Maybe Adam Lambert could have pulled it off.

Legend does ok on the lower stuff but casting a baritone with sketchy technique whose falsetto is a quiet, wispy tone was never going to work.

He can barely hit the higher chest voice notes so he changes a lot of them, and he uses almost all head voice on the highest parts, paper thin to where it's comical.

He doesn't act much either but that was to be expected.he also struggles with recitative parts.

But most everybody else, it's as cool a modern version as I have heard in a minute.

Also nobody is Barry Dennen. Dude ruled. :)

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

six months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESXhqTuWAAAlXQ9?format=jpg&name=small

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:05 (six years ago)

haaaa

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:06 (six years ago)

I always think of the Tall Guy when someone mentions Jesus Christ Superstar:

Mary : Well, the only other thing at the moment is a new musical that the RSC are doing.

Dexter : What's it about?

Mary : The Elephant Man.

Dexter : A musical of the Elephant Man? What's it called?

Mary : "Elephant", I think - with an exclamation mark presumably.

Dexter : Pity the poor bastard who has to play the elephant.

Mary : Remember dearest, everyone thought Jesus Christ Superstar was a stupid idea.

Dexter : Jesus Christ Superstar WAS a stupid idea.

Mary : True.

birdistheword, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:45 (six years ago)

one year passes...

Ted Neely walking bowlegged through every scene begs the question, did Jesus have hemorrhoids, and could he heal them himself?

hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 December 2021 19:00 (four years ago)

two years pass...

my mind is clearer now
at last, all too well, i can see
where we all soon will be

mookieproof, Sunday, 31 March 2024 01:22 (two years ago)

Baffling that after this, Evita was pretty meh. They never wrote together again, and as far as i know there was no bad feeling as such.

piscesx, Sunday, 31 March 2024 15:09 (two years ago)

Omg I love Evita.

JCS is great but I feel like it's a white whale, almost every local or professional production I've seen of it has been bad.

Splurged to see the tour a few years ago, my brother raved about it, and I didn't like it at all.

Still happy I got to see Carl Anderson in the touring version in 2003. Sebastian Bach as Jesus was pretty hilarious though. He did his Slave to the Grind-era Skid Row shriek at one point and I about doubled over laughing.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 April 2024 14:57 (two years ago)

I still feel like the Jewison movie is the perfect JCS, along with the concept album. Some people hate the movie and it does have some corny bits but I think it's amazing. Particularly the scenery and Neely's "another bad Monday at the office" mannerisms.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:00 (two years ago)

I saw it on the 1992 tour with Neely and Anderson and, I am just now learning, IRENE CARA as Mary Magdalene. Apparently, Dennis DeYoung played Pontius Pilate on this tour, but was sidelined by an injury for the Baltimore dates.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/1992/12/17/superstar-builds-its-house-upon-a-rock-concert/

meatster of puppets (peace, man), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:28 (two years ago)

Irene Cara, omg. woulda killed to see that.

lmao at Dennis DeYoung

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:57 (two years ago)

Jeeeeeeeeeesus, from the moment I sawwwwwwwwwwwwww youuuuuuuuuuu

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:58 (two years ago)

Have we discussed this yet? Starring David Hemmings as Bertie Wooster!

Make Me Smile (Come Around and See Me) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:08 (two years ago)

I saw this last night for the first time. I grew up with the album, but avoided ever watching the movie because I'd always heard it was terrible. It's ropey for sure, but it has some exceptional scenes and they did a lot with a non-existent set, the dancing is great, the framing device with the bus works very well. I felt terrible for Judas running all over the damn desert. I'm still not sold on Neely's Jesus vocals and his face never expresses the amount of emotion his singing evinces. Given that this was written as a concept album and not a play, I'm not surprised there have been lots of unsatisyfing stagings.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:19 (two years ago)

as per the revive of the other thread,

Jesus Christ Superstar - classic or dud?

i have recently fallen hard for this.
mainly the film soundtrack to be honest.
i have a very lo-fi version of the orig concept album,
but i think i still prefer the film soundtrack.

mark e, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 20:44 (two years ago)

ok,
i succumbed and got the 2012 remastered edition of the original album.
it is rather bloody wonderful.
as i said, i have fallen hard for this ..

mark e, Saturday, 6 April 2024 22:46 (two years ago)

It's a wonderful thing to fall for

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:42 (two years ago)

matt berry (yes that one) and brian kehew did the remaster btw... they are working on the film soundtrack now.

kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 7 April 2024 01:03 (two years ago)


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