Lil Jon Needs To Fall Under A Truck

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Fuckin' A, the "dum dum dum dum dum" intro bit of "Get Low" is one of my favorite things in music this year.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

("this year" = last October, apparently)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

CAN I PLAY WITH YO PANTY LINE???

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I love DMX. Yet, I hate Lil Jon. So really, what am I missing?

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

ALL the fun.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

clave patterns.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

ah skeet skeet

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

are you listening to this by yourself or in your living room or something daft like that?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

The song and it's many versions live in the world THIS year. Who the hell cares when it was per se' "released to record stores"? The merengue version just came out, for crissakes. And it is FAST FAST FAST. If the link I posted above isn't enough, I also recommend reading recent Voice pieces by Carol Cooper (on Lil Jon), Frank Kogan (on Ying Yang Twins, Youngbloodz), and Chuck Eddy (licks on David Banner's screwed album, Hitman Sammmy Sam, plus a NEW all-crunk roundup including the great aforementioned *Crunk and Disordly* that'll appropriately run the week of Christmas.) On the other hand, as Frank has pointed out, Southern crunk and Scandinavian dark metal increasingly have many beautiful gothic North European melodies in common, and if I remember right, Phil's not a big fan of Scandinavian dark metal, either. So maybe that explains...something.

― chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I kinda like "Get Low," no matter how crass the lyrics are.

But wait....who are the Surf MC's? The hip hop equivalent of....http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c422/c4226570233.jpg ???????

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, what other tunes have skeet skeet chants? A couple brass bands I saw in New Orleans were doing it, I couldn't tell if it was something they came up with or altered or what, though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean this isn't some alex in nyc style thing where i have to explain why dmx "bellowing" is no different than hank rollins or him out of killing joke (nb: i have never heard killing joke so i dunno if they bellow or not)...i mean...DEATH METAL!!
-- fiddo centington (dubplatestyl...), December 11th, 2003.

I like all of the random, nonsensical attacks on Alex in NYC you've been spouting lately. It's like you're drunk at a dinner party.

― David Allen, Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps this is a dumb question, but what differentiates crunk as a style from other kinds of rap? Is it just the macho shouted vocals?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess has a personal axe to grind these days, it seems.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you forgot Sterling Clover (Bone Crusher).

:-(

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Onyx's Bacdafucup proto-crunk?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

why, because they shout?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

were they fat?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

That's my question exactly. Does shouting have anything to do with crunk?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

did they have a jewel encrusted goblet?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

phil wanted them to fall under a truck

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Two of'em were, as I remember. The other two were slim. And they were all bald. I have that album, I'm somewhat embarassed to say.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

closet biohazard fan?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"JUST THROW YA GUNZ IN THA AIR, AND *BUK BUK* LIKE YA JUST DON'T CARE!"

etc.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

An interesting tidbit about Bacdafucup from AMG:

"The album even beat out such stiff competition as Dr. Dre's rap classic The Chronic at the Soul Train Awards for Best Rap Album that year [1993]."

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really. I saw Onyx open for Public Enemy and Ice-T and House of Pain at a show at the New Ritz in 1992 that most of the bands refused to show up for due to poor promotion. I remember thinking that Onyx were pretty entertaining, so I picked up the album when it came out. Biohazard kinda ruined "Slam," actually.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

are you listening to this by yourself or in your living room or something daft like that?

It sounds great in the living room alone too, though!

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead."

i think this is the kind of question that answers itself.

does anyone know when crunk became a noun? i'd never heard it used like that until southern rap became 'big' again this year.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought "crunk" was an adjective that implied "crowded, happenin' and hoppin'," as in "we're the type of people who make the club get crunk".

You tell me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

crunk = crazy + drunk

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I always heard heard it used to mean getting high.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

happenin and hoppin!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I may be imagining this but I somehow remember a Conan O Brien skit where they were going to make up a new dirty word....and the word they came up with was "crunk"

Does anyone else remember this or am I just cr8zy?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Oddly, Onyx's great 1990 debut single "Ah And We Do It Like That" is one of the most country-sounding hip hop records ever; they even *talk* about being country in it. So yeah, proto-crunk for sure.

Lil Jon, according to Chris Weingarten who interviewed him a couple weeks ago, has apparently always been a big Dead Kennedys and Ramones fan. Which might in part explain the mosh pits at his concerts.

Sorry I didn't mention yr Bone Crusher piece, Sterling; I also left out Yancey Strickler on Killer Mike, Kandia Crazy Horse on Bubba Sparxxx, Tony Green on LOTS of stuff, etc. (I was only thinking the past month or two. But the Voice's crunk-consciousness is indeed nothing new.)

― chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"We kind of call it 'black punk rock'," Jon says. You see the same reaction to rock bands. People jumping up and down the whole show, mosh pits, pushing and shoving. A lot of screaming and yelling."

(From Vibe.) (The pattern of every single music magazine article on new Southern rap-- Lil Jon is the crunk-is-the-future guy and then David Banner says 'Well, we aren't all about the crunk stuff' and then the T.I./Killer Mike/Youngbloodz interview. And then the sidebar explaining the slang.)

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ying-Yang Twins are the
Simon and Garfunkel of
crunk." --Matt Cibula.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

crunk = crazy + drunk

I guess that makes sense too.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest alex, your definition has supplanted all others for me

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

make that Simon and Garcrunkel.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"History is Crunk!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest alex, your definition has supplanted all others for me

Much like Onyx, the Ink Spots are proto-crunk.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I still maintain that
T.I.'s album Trap Muzik
is the best so far;

but it's not quite "crunk"
the way Lil Jon, Ying Yang are,
neither is Banner

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Trap Muzik isn't crunk by any definition of the word. When that guy said it was the "southern Illmatic," he was pretty right on. It's tired and [another word] and mostly not in a really good way. It's not bad but it's pretty boring.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's not boring,
and no, it's not tired at all.
He's a great rapper.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yah, Trap Muzik is pretty un-crunk. though you can still get crunk to it.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Honestly, though, given their longstanding allegiance to post-planet-rock electro beats long after the West and East coasts abandoned them, 2 Live Crew and Tag Team and 95 South and the Quad City DJs and L'Trimm and Maggotron and the Hi-Town DJs were all probably way more proto-crunk than Onyx were. Just because Lil Jon's music has gang shouts in it doesn't mean gangshouts are the defining factor of crunk.

― chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me, Haikunym. I'll try to put this into indie rock terms for you. Okay, T.I. is like The Strokes of Southern rap. (UGK, Television.) Even if it's the best of the three rap CDs you bought this year and it appeals to people whose experience ended with New York rap/rockist touchstones, it's not that great and it's boring. I'm glad you enjoy it.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

dk: stop being a choad

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay. Sorry.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, and there was also the TNC piece on Banner, though I totally disagreed with him as usual, but in that good constructive sorta disagreeing way, also as usual.

also, from the "playahata.com" dictionary:

Crunk/Krunk: Slang, adj (1)To be enjoyable, usually in reference to a party. (2)to become excited and/or agitated. Primarily used in the Southern, United States.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

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― James Mitchell, Friday, 28 November 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

SXSW News »
Lil Jon and Tori Amos to play SXSW

Lil Jon and Tori Amos will play La Zona Rosa on Thursday, March 19 as part of the Universal Republic Records showcase.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

love them both :D

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:05 (seventeen years ago)

Duet?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:06 (seventeen years ago)

I thought "crunk" was an adjective that implied "crowded, happenin' and hoppin'," as in "we're the type of people who make the club get crunk".

You tell me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:58 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― s1ocki, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:07 (seventeen years ago)

just replace "and" with "ft."

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:08 (seventeen years ago)

Never been down south? I'm Third Coast Born like C-Note. I've been getting paid on these H-Town streets since I could walk. I've rolled with Keke, Pookie, ESG, Flex, everyone. I bought the first UGK tapes out of the trunk of Pimp C's Grand Prix when they did shows at Club Venue in Corsicana. Get your mind correct, you wannabe Athens thug. I've been to Athens. I know how you bitches roll. Come to Acres Home or Cloverland if you think you're hard and you want to learn how the shells burn.

― d k, Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:06 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The first time I heard Lil Flip was on an episode of Fastlane. I'm fucking lame. I drove through the Midwest once, when I was a kid. I mostly remember the hotels. I saw the baseball stadium in Chicago, on the way through, just from the highway. I love expensive running shoes. I have more Radiohead CDs than UGK ones. But sometimes I just want to pretend! "Don't rap about what you saw in the Scarface movie, nigga, when you can't even spell Uzi, nigga. We live this."

― d k, Wednesday, December 17, 2003 7:09 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:15 (seventeen years ago)

it's skeet skeet, not skit skit, right?

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:20 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― and what, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:17 (seventeen years ago)

Lil Jon and Tori Amos will play La Zona Rosa on Thursday, March 19 as part of the Universal Republic Records showcase.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:04 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

that crowd will be hilarious

― its gotta be HOOSy para steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:21 (seventeen years ago)

"good album but too many skeets"

― eman, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:51 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

lil jon would still find a way to survive...

― Ballistic, Saturday, 6 March 2010 00:06 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

where are we discussing the "Turn Down for What" video because uhhh wow

― frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:02 (twelve years ago)

whoooooa

― Spottie, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:08 (twelve years ago)

yeah it's even crazier than the one for "Pon de Floor" (though quite similar really)

― frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:41 (twelve years ago)

about a week ago I heard "Turn Down For What" in the club and I turned down and left

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (twelve years ago)

lol

― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (twelve years ago)

the whiney will not tolerate anyone badmouthing turn down for what

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:38 (twelve years ago)

If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:01 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd say "never change" but he didn't

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:40 (twelve years ago)

is Turn Down For What considered trap? the Harlem Shake kind, not the Lex Luger kind. I think I'd have to experience it in its normal context to properly loathe it.

― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:42 (twelve years ago)

ummm, just watched the video and that was something

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:43 (twelve years ago)

lil jon gave us so much joy i'm fine w/ him getting EDM money

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:45 (twelve years ago)

truuu. It's not even that I don't like "Turn Down For What" (it's aight) so much as it's not the vibe I want when I'm out

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:00 (twelve years ago)

yeah no i'm with you i don't think i would turn up to that song either

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (twelve years ago)

i would

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

is anyone in the video really completely comfortable with the vibe either?

― j., Thursday, 1 May 2014 06:39 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

very into the "turn down for what" remix

banger

― lex pretend, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:30 (twelve years ago)

it is amazing to me that a metalhead like phil would hate probably the most metal-influenced mainstream rapper of the 21st century

― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:38 (twelve years ago)

Like this samples Slayer and was directly inspired by Suicidal Tendancies' "Institutionalized."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEE5_yfNbFg&feature=kp

― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:40 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

"turn down for what" is probably my song of the year. figures jon would come in and hop on a lame trend (what do we call this, EDM?) and do it better than any of these jokers

― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:39 (twelve years ago)

he's been doing edm guest appearances for years now

― macklin' rosie (crüt), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:43 (twelve years ago)

lil Jon is seriously amazing on turn down for what

― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:48 (twelve years ago)

TD4W is incredible

― Spottie, Saturday, 31 May 2014 20:32 (twelve years ago)

five years pass...

no avoid the truck Jon pls

― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Saturday, 30 November 2019 23:25 (six years ago)

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