Sonic Youth: Classic or Dud/S&D?

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ICA show 1982, Bert's last — he was, er, "re-auditioning" for his own job (and in fact failed the audition) — was the GREATEST SHOW I HAVE EVER SEEN EVER: like watching (and hearing) the entire matter of the universe transform its total geometry (er, which obviously I saw on John Craven's Newsround a few weeks before, so can compare, ahem). SS is obviously the more Buddy Miles- ish drummer they always wanted, but I think he makes things too easy for them.

― mark s, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Used to enjoy Ciccone Youth hugely but it got lost.

If I'm anything to go by, the indie hordes knew full well that EVOL and Sister were meant to be "the *classic*" albums and avoided them for just that reason. How punky of us.

― Tom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Maryanne- DESPERATION?!?!? Where did you get that from? Since when was avante guarde art noise dronerock the sound of desperation? More like the sound of the bourgousie (I cannot spell that word) escaping their upper middle class Connecticut trust fund roots. (Not that I hold that against them or anything...)

Or is this a continuation of the fallacy that punke rocke somehow equals the GENUINE WORKING CLASS MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE?

The most cutting edge music comes not from desperation, but from boredom. A good deal of Sonic Youth- like the two movements they helped inspire (shoegazing in the UK and grunge in the US) - had far less to do with desperation, than longing for transcendance from boredom.

And oh yes, Ciccone Youth kick ass. Especially the video- which I bet really was recorded in one of those Boardwalk "Star In Your Own Video!" type places so common in the late 80s...

― masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Being a unbearded Brit I've no idea abt the insufferability or otherwise of "all the pretentious jazzwankers who hang out at the Cooler wishing they could be Lee Renaldo" but one of the (many) things I like abt SY is that they're musicians who remain enthusiasts/collectors/propagandists - people like US, sorf of. Example: the Sonny Sharrock name-dropping on the 'Master-Dik' ep led me to search out some Sharrock albs ('Guitar' and 'Ask The Ages') that are now amongst my favourite recs - thanks Thurston! An INCLUSIVE dream of non-cool hipsterdom.

SEARCH: I'm ever-so undiscriminating abt my SY recs - like 'em all, pretty much - but I'd put in a special word for Lee Ranaldo's contributions: the group's leading experimentalist turns out to be their most conventionally romantic/moving songwriter! And I dig his singing more than Thurston or Kim's.

DESTROY: If pushed, the first alb and ' Washing Machine', the latter a sort of compromise between the pseudo-blues of 'Experimental Jet Set' (their most underrated alb) and the post-rock sprawl of 'Thousand Leaves'. And much as I like some of his discs, am puzzled as to why Jim O'Rourke has now become the fifth member of SY, and playing bass of all things. Saying that I'm looking forward to the upcoming SY/JO 'modern classical' gig at the RFH - just to see HOW they go abt it, if nothing else - and I've read somewhere that on the night they're going to be joined by John Zorn and Anthony Braxton - can this be true?

― Andrew L, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Ah, Sonic Youth. Remind me to throttle people who say that the newest albums are the best. This includes the bandmembers themselves. I see Sterling's point, but I still think the later stuff is, generally speaking, one huge load of 'eh.' I freely proclaim both _DN_ and to a lesser extent _Goo_ as being the period where they got everything right -- the earlier stuff is scattershot and I'd rather listen to the Swans anyway, the later stuff is either bad pop/rock or coasting on myths in order to top up the pension funds and support the kids. Also, based on the bands Thurston signed to DGC, he's got a phenomenonally tin ear. Cell and St. Johnny, I ask you.

I tend to think that when it came to fried, weird punk/Krautrock/whatever music, Trumans Water's first few albums make for better listening these days than the bulk of SY's material. Feels fresher, somehow.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Ciccone Youth sounds like an italian pornstar

― hmm, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

[email protected] sounds like a fake e-mail :P

I never got into Sonic Youth because I hated all the people I knew who liked them, and because I hated what little I heard from them. I've heard a bit more lately, and file them firmly in the category of bands whose appeal I can understand, but that I'm still not very interested in. The guitar "wash" is so lethargic and half-assed, without any real intensity. Maybe I'll appreciate them when I'm thirty. Maybe it's one of those things where "you just had to be there". Maybe not.

― Dave M., Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

dud, i've never heard a song i liked. they always seem to lack something, they get the cool sounds and forget the tune, get the tune and sing like cows, etc...also they make teeny-bopper videos even though they are all like 73. destroy lee renaldo's poetry notebook.

― keith, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Masonic Boom - thanks for your reply. Good response. I can definitely see that the romantic idea of art as the expression of suffering is largely discredited. I think this is why Sonic Youth make me anxious; if I don't like them, does this mean that I'm maladjusted?

But do you really think Sonic Youth even seem bored? Most of their songs sound like they're supposed to be 'intense' and those that reflect a kind of ennui, such as Teenage Riot, seem just as contrived as their contrived intensity. There's no foothold - they always seem to be able to maintain control - in fact, they seem to have to maintain control even when they DON'T want to. Therefore, no possibility of identification with them. Too closed. Agree with Dave M. above.

― Maryann, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Silver Session! I love that album.

― Kodanshi, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

people should use the html capacities of this board more creatively. bring on the blinking rainbow text and embedded midi files.

― ethan, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

scene from a new year's party:

"have you ever been listening to _washing machine_ and felt you were in the presence of a superior being?"

"when i was 17, man, all the time."

i feel only pity for all those who do not believe and more for those who are too cool to still believe.

― sundar subramanian, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Key phrase: "when i was 17, man, all the time."

When I was 17, playing Sister would result in the feeling of being in the presence of a higher power. So how can something like Washing Machine affect me?

― masonic boom, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

A Thousand Leaves is heaven's doorbell. Granted, not everyone's into doorbells...

― Wesley, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Tuneless bunch of Duds. Their abominable and embarrassing set at ATP2000 was one of the worst I've ever had the pleasure to witness.

― the pinefox, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

because it's just beautiful, kate. the melodies are heavenly, the guitars come together so gently and then explode, the sentiments are so sweet, lee ranaldo actually comes through every time. it doesn't sound at all like a rehash of sister to me. and that's just it, say what you will, sy have made an effort to say something new with every record, especially compared to any other band. sure, i meant the irony -- sy pretty much traffic in adolescent thrills. but what else is rock music good for?

make no mistake, they redefined the guitar. they didn't simply dumb down branca for rock audiences (which someone could argue the velvets did re lamonte young), they added their own signature with new prepared guitar textures and tunings and ecstatic dissonant climaxes. they went from the post-pil jamming on the first ep to the mix of hardcore punk and no wave and dark noise on the first album to the industrial grind/shimmer of bad moon rising to the blissful intimate genderfuck of evol (generic??? want to argue that case?) to the rock-from-another-planet of sister. vocals and lyrics added a twisted but relevant dimension. and that's just the 80s.

ignoring daydream nation, which i've discussed elsewhere (read that thread, kate?), they continued to signify when they went mainstream. despite their numerous obvious errors, they continued to make inspiring work. dirty is not at all a watering down of any of their ideas. the instrumental breaks are constructed entirely differently than in their other work. the noise is used entirely in the service of abrasive, challenging songs. and how it is used! they have continued to display moments of genius in their post- washing machine work. they have unfortunately released a glut of product in recent years, only some of it as exciting as their best work. yet to simply dismiss the band, as it has become fashionable to do in indie circles (cf smiths backlash in uk), is just absurd. the best parts of goodbye 20th century are truly great.

pinefox: if it was anything like their montreal set last summer, it must have been divine. could you explain exactly what you dislike about public enemy, sonic youth, and iron maiden? anything beyond "tunelessness?" i am genuinely curious. i'm not even sure that tunefulness is the primary appeal of "to here knows when" or even "suffer little children."

― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I'm glad Sundar drunkenly stepped in and said something I had been thinking about, but which I hadn't put in a form I wanted to post. In the Sonic Youth I've heard I hear them doing different things, album to album, and usually doing them well, so it irks me slightly to hear so many people cut off the band's output after whatever point.

― Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Yes, I know there may be difficulties in parsing that. Try.

― Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

On second thought, it's a beautiful piece of prose.

― Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

two years pass...

I'm currently listening to Experimental Jet Set for the first time in years. It's the first Sonic Youth record I ever heard -- the first song I ever heard was "Bull in the Heather" -- and it sounds so beautiful right now. I love that there are so many quiet moments on this record -- but pretty stuff, not pretentious spoken word or nothin'. Thurston even plays an acoustic on the first track! AMG gives it two stars -- underrated, I say.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wish that album didn't have "Bull in the Heather" as a lead single. Really always rubbed me the wrong way, one of Kim Gordon's worst moments. And trust me, she's had plenty of great ones! But the way she delivers the chorus...really eh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, as long as this is coming up again, I've become more and more convinced that the first ep is due for a critical reappraisal, especially since its influences are much more "now" than they were when it came out. Fantastic sound, Kim is restrained, cool tension and release. If they put it out today, it'd get filed under post-rock for sure. It doesn't redefine guitar rock, like what came next, but it sounds awfully good these days and really deserves a re-release.

― dlp9001, Monday, 22 September 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, it's really crazy that the self-titled EP got left behind in the whole onslaught of DGC reissues in the 90's...I remember them talking a few years ago about the idea of re-releasing it on Smells Like, but that never came to be. it's a pretty good record, kind of different from where the went w/ Confusion Is Sex, and I still can't get over the fact that Ferris Beuller's parking attendant played the drums.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 22 September 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

most pretentious band
which album have you played the most in your entire life?
did they break punk ?
canonical, politics, etc..
maybe main gripe, the patronising (?) of new zealand
anecdote/incident
maybe folly
etc.
etc.
etc..

― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

DN was my fave for several years, but lately I've been listening mostly to Dirty, which rocks like a muthaf@&#$^.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Experimental Jet Set is way underrated; it's my favorite album of theirs after Sister. I like the first 3-4 songs on Daydream Nation, but then I always turn it off.

My Sonic Youth Top Five:

1. Sister
2. Bad Moon Rising
3. "Kool Thing" (only really great if you read the Kim Gordon profile of LL Cool J for Spin, which inspired it)
4. Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star
5. Goodbye 20th Century

I'm actually shocked nobody brought up that last one, whether pro or con. I think it's fantastic, really beautiful in parts and really ugly/beautiful in others. Much better than any "regular" album they've put out since Goo.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm, I'm surprised by the lack of love for 'Murray Street', which IMO is their best post-Sister album..

Oh and Phil, do you know where I can find that LL profile?

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wish I did. Run a Google search; maybe some psycho SY fan has scanned it.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i usually start DN at side two, and then play side three
"Hey Joni" would have to be one of my favourite songs, and it used to be at the bedinning of side three

― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Fabrice- there is plenty of love for 'murray street' (i do think its one of their very very best though I like everything I've heard, even NYC ghosts and flowers, which I hated at first...but then again i haven't heard all of their recs). There are other SY threads but i don't think george pulled them up (how very naughty of him).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought Murray Street solely because the horn players from Borbetomagus appear on one track. What a waste of $15.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

still the best live rock band out there, especially w/ the new o'rourke-ified lineup.

― dan (dan), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

'Murray street' definetely grew on me and its a good companion to 'sister'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that borb are on there is so great too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, but why not one more side of DN> (&whitey) quality session of borb and sy ? and the a whole 60 minutes of other interesting semi-intrumental experiments ? why such a small look-in for the buddies on Geffen
(cf: the eps, non-Geffen cheques presumably ? but sy still haven't done an ep with borb, whereas Kowald et. al. did do that "..jam" lp with the new yorkers at least ten years ago)

― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 22 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

All SY records have something to recommend them (except for maybe NY Ghosts and Flowers, which admittedly I only listened to twice but really hated both times, then sold back). The EP is excellent, why is this OOP? I thankfully found one for five dollars last year then turned around and Ebayed it for more than ten times that, but not without ripping a copy first. The Burning Spear is up there with their best songs. I still find that I listen to Sister and EVOL more than any of the other records though (but Murray St. was in the player for at least six months and has had a higher return ratio than 1000 Leaves or Washing Machine, both of which I initially thought were exceptional but didn't hold my interest too much over the long run).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 22 September 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the few bands that I like better live than on record.

That said, I think their career arc is pretty interesting -- starting weird and then getting conventional (by their standards, anyway) and then getting weird again, except that the weirdness on the other side is so much better than the early stuff.

I like the Sister-Daydream-Goo-Dirty quartet and then A Thousand Leaves best. Also liked Murray Street more than most I think.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

there is no need to own more than a couple of sonic youth albums. their evolution is overstated, and their long players would start to grate if played back-to-back. people often say "they have an incredible back catalogue!". while it may be true that they have lots of decent albums, there is no need for so damn many.

"DY" is incredible, though. the kim gordon tracks especially - "kissability" is just filthy. i think "washing machine" may be undervalued - the first song on side two (can't remember the name) is their best Pop track.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 22 September 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I have trouble following you there.. You think there is bno need for them to have put out so many good albums??
I feel on the contrary that their evolution is under-rated, with many people thinking that if you've heard 'Goo', you've heard it all..

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

why no love for confusion is sex? my favorite SY album by a long shot. if only they had stuck with Jim Sclavunos, i say. does he rock out as much on the Nick Cave records?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

those first lps, ep etc. were good, and getting progressively better, with the exception of Bad Moon Rising, which felt like the end for many listeners i knew at that time,.. saved by Lydia Lunch and that ep

― george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Bad Moon Rising is easily one of my favourites. The moment when SY really managed to channel their no wave experimentation impulse into songs and a great understanding of the album format. Up there with Sister. IMO, the bonus DV69 EP is superfluous

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Man this is one thread I just can't get. Sonic Youth, Classic or Dud? Sonic frickin Youth, classic or dud?!

People hating on Murray Street? Are you fucking kidding me?! Murray Street is an OUTSTANDING album that 99% of indie rock bands would have to consider themselves LUCKY to accomplish.

Wow; I don't know, Kilian. I mean I don't know how to respond to your disdain for Daydream nation. LIke, normally when I post around here I sort of try to acquit myself well and like mount intelligent defenses and stuff. But fuck it if you don't get Daydream Nation - one of the most consistently fascinating documents of four human beings picking up two guitars, a bass guitar, and a drum kit; - if you, kilian murphy, can't listen to that record and find meaning in it... well, I dunno. Fuck it, I guess.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, it's solipsism, at base. I understand that, and it's a big problem I'm trying to work through here.

But Christ, Sonic Youth! Ah well, whatever.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i think Kilian likes 'daydream...' diamond. there is a thread on daydream nation that you should read for some good args pro and against.

he's only saying that their long players, if played back-to-back, would start to grate: i think this could be said about most long players by most bands (though not many got to make them).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: "Teen Age Riot" "100%"
Destroy: "Addicted to Love" "Swimsuit Issue" "Kool Thing" Goodbye 20th Century "Death Valley 69" the third part of the trilogy, "Tunic" basically anything where they're being annoying in a look-at-us-and-how-underground-we-are! manner.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

DV69, Kool Thing? U are mad!
I'd say destroy: 'Little Trouble Girl', 'Hotwire my Heart', 'Bubblegum'
Search: the rest

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

how is "kool thing" 'look-at-us-and-how-underground-we-are'?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I was about to say I can't wait to reappraise my Sonic Youth albums but if that was the case I would have done it by now.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i think searching and destroying songs is the wrong way to go. i think sy stand or fall on the strength, the combined artistic intent and creativity of all the songs on particular albums. i say this because sy are clearly an albums(& eps) band.

a couple of Mr. Snrub's "destroys" strike me as so counter-productive that i'm assuming he's playing devil's advocate. but generally, isn't arguing about this song or that song just a bit like arguing about spare change in the case of this band ?

― george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 25 September 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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GAH, every clip I'm finding looks awesome. I fucking hate today.

― birdistheword, Saturday, 7 December 2024 09:17 (one year ago)

That clip above does look nice .

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 7 December 2024 16:13 (one year ago)

A buddy and I had free tickets to his book tour stop last year, but then he cancelled due to health stuff. Ah well.

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 December 2024 16:49 (one year ago)

So you are not going tomorrow?

― curmudgeon, Sunday, 8 December 2024 23:20 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95LPoQFzom4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKoZUEpb4k

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 08:06 (one year ago)

Oh so he did multiple nights at the Stone in NY with various people-

. Wednesday features a quartet with saxophonist Zoh Amba, drummer Ryan Sawyer and Jon Leidecker on electronics. Thursday and Friday are for classic guitar duets with, respectively Fred Frith (who has his own mini-residency at Roulette on the weekend), and old SY partner Lee Ranaldo. And Saturday ends in a trio with percussionists William Winant and Tom Surgal

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 16:38 (one year ago)

That is from last week’s Dada Strain Substack email listings

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 16:38 (one year ago)

xps Correct!

FWIW, the Stone usually invites someone to curate a week of shows, and they in turn usually program something different each of those nights. I think Moore's been involved with the Stone since the beginning, but I never tried to catch him there until now. (Though of course I missed this because I was ILL, but at least I can view it now.)

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 19:04 (one year ago)

Wednesday features a quartet with saxophonist Zoh Amba, drummer Ryan Sawyer and Jon Leidecker on electronics.

― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 10 December 2024 22:29 (one year ago)

otm

― sleeve, Tuesday, 10 December 2024 22:29 (one year ago)

five months pass...

Selling off more gear from the warehouse if you'd like a Sonic Youth Taylor acoustic

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Wednesday, 14 May 2025 16:26 (one year ago)

The only thing I want is Lee's Ludwig Phase II Synthesizer, a phaser/fuzz the size of a small combo amp. I assume it will be $3k+.

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Wednesday, 14 May 2025 16:27 (one year ago)

ayeyayayayayayayaayay

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Thursday, 15 May 2025 04:59 (one year ago)

three months pass...

Live video from the 1991 tour with Neil Young & Crazy Horse, filmed from side-stage by Young's guitar & bass tech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmh-Q8JWPqw

Set list:

noise intro/Tom Violence
Brother James
Eric's Trip
(I Got A) Catholic Block
Dirty Boots
I Love Her All the Time
Kool Thing
Expressway To Yr Skull/noise outro

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 24 August 2025 16:52 (nine months ago)

OK, when I shared the video link on Facebook, it actually provided a date and location — February 24, 1991 at Brendan Byrne Arena in NJ! This is the show I was at!

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 24 August 2025 17:33 (nine months ago)

^ after being confused by some Bruce Springsteen setlists, I found out this Arena still exists, but it changes names every couple of years:

1981–1996: Brendan Byrne Arena
1996–2007: Continental Airlines Arena
2007–2015: Izod Center
2016–Present: Meadowlands Arena

― StanM, Monday, 25 August 2025 14:28 (nine months ago)

Will always be Brendan Byrne to me. Saw Duran Duran there in 84 on seven and the ragged tiger/reflex tour.

― dan selzer, Tuesday, 26 August 2025 01:39 (nine months ago)

A friend of mine's younger sister went to that tour as a junior high/middle school student and came away not knowing quite what to make of opening act Erasure.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 26 August 2025 02:26 (nine months ago)

I guess the Arena still exists, but apparently has been closed to the public since 2015 - only used for rehearsals and filming.

― o. nate, Friday, 5 September 2025 13:35 (nine months ago)

three weeks pass...

they posted a cryptic image to IG of the Washing Machine cover but with “2026” on it

idc if they do a cash grab reunion tour, I never saw them when they were around the first time so I am in and will fight any and everyone to go

But it prob won’t be a tour, just some reissues or new Levi’s tees

― Murgatroid, Friday, 26 September 2025 19:49 (eight months ago)

👀

― sleeve, Friday, 26 September 2025 19:54 (eight months ago)

when I've interviewed Lee and Steve in the past, they've both teased the idea of a big Washing Machine box set kinda thing, which would be rad.

I think the ship has sailed on an actual SY reunion, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Or maybe it'd just be totally awkward.

― tylerw, Friday, 26 September 2025 20:05 (eight months ago)

Paz Lenchantin subbing in for Kim.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 26 September 2025 20:09 (eight months ago)

lol unperson

I’ve been waiting for this reissue (which has been written up as in progress over the last few years)

― Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 26 September 2025 20:16 (eight months ago)

from 2022:

In/Out/In won’t be the last Sonic Youth archival dig. A deluxe version of 1995’s Washing Machine, largely completed but awaiting release, will include demos, live material from that period, and several different version of their epic “Diamond Sea.” (That release may not come until the album’s 30th anniversary, so be prepared to wait at least three years.) A deluxe edition of 1987’s Sister is also being readied.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/sonic-youth-in-out-in-1284378/

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Friday, 26 September 2025 20:49 (eight months ago)

thurston canceled his book tour last year due to his heart condition, i don't think he's in any shape to go back on the arena revival circuit, that is unless...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLeslavEByQ

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Friday, 26 September 2025 20:50 (eight months ago)

think I saw Shelly announce the box on instagram or fb or something about an hour ago.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 26 September 2025 21:50 (eight months ago)

As of now, Shelley’s Instagram just shows the same cryptic image. I’m assuming the reissue, which is fine by me. Love the album and I’ll take as many versions of “The Diamond Sea” as they wanna share.

― better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 September 2025 22:37 (eight months ago)

YEah, Washing Machine is one of my absolute faves and I would love, love, love to hear more of it

― conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Saturday, 27 September 2025 14:43 (eight months ago)

it's just, why wouldn't they put out the reissue this year then, on the 30th anniversary? did someone drop the ball here

― Murgatroid, Saturday, 27 September 2025 15:15 (eight months ago)

They were reissuing Hold That Tiger instead

― conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Saturday, 27 September 2025 15:35 (eight months ago)

But also as I understand it the Washing Machine reissue is being done with Geffen which means working with a major label and they move slowly, esp if the margin is likely to be slim, as with SY

― conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Saturday, 27 September 2025 15:35 (eight months ago)

the WM box has been done for over 3 years according to my previous post.

― imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 27 September 2025 16:57 (eight months ago)

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