― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 17 August 2002 15:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
never seen derek live but I do believe that even if artists x greatness may not be obvious from the rec you may 'get' it by seeing x on the flesh live.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 17 August 2002 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
I know there are lot of DB imitators out there, but there's still nobody else that has quite the same touch/tone/speed - and it's really difficult to think of anybody who sounded like DB before DB. Yet it doesn't all 'sound the same' - there's quite a diff between 60s/70s/80s/90s Bailey, not to mention between electric or acoustic gtr recs, between different kinds of amplification, live and studio sessions, solo or group etc etc. Also, he seems to have got noizier and nastier over the years - the Harras rec, or the Ruins collabs, are great fuckin' rackets! - and how many ppl (esp. in 'jazz') can you say that abt?
It's difficult to separate 'admiration' (for his single-mindedness, his idiosyncracies, his willingness to take risks w/ different situations, his complicated relationship w/ the jazz tradition, the fact that he's managed to do something new w/ a pretty tired old instrument) from 'pleasure' (I mean the actual fun you might get from listening to the recs). And yeah, sometimes the last thing I feel like is being 'confronted' by DB at his most austere, but then other times he can strike you as surprisingly pretty (as on 'Aida'), surprisingly emotional, surprisingly dynamic in a 'rock' sort of a way.
I saw his ATP set a couple of years ago. He played electric for abt an hour, solo, w/ some backing tapes supplied by Casey Rice (you can hear similar sort of stuff on the otherwise lame-ish 'Playbacks' CD) and he really 'rocked the joint'. Pople were even dancing, and he got a fantastic reception from a v. mixed audience, including friends of mine who were reluctant to accompany me but actually really enjoyed themselves. Plus, he was the loudest thing I saw the whole weekend - this prickly 70 year-old, who didn't say a word, really sticking it to the kids! Oh man, it was fucking great!
I don't know that many Chadbourne recs, but I think DB does have a sense of humour - it's quite 'dry', I grant you, but it is there...
― Andrew L, Saturday, 17 August 2002 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L, Saturday, 17 August 2002 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 17 August 2002 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 17 August 2002 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 17 August 2002 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is definetely true from the free improv gigs I've seen: a free improvisor looks at an instrument differently. I'll pick on Rhodri davies on Harp as an example. if you only hear his recs then you can't believe its just a harp but by seeing him live you can see what he's doing with the strings (attaching a block of polystyrene in between strings to get diff sounds out of it for instance). Also it does have a phyiscal effect upon you. There was quite a stormy passage from rhodri and a muscle at the back started to ache quite a bit, very strange...
''Oh, and I think 'Aida' might still be available from the Drag City website. I'm not quite so fussed abt 'Music and Dance' as Julio is - I prefer 'Lace' (I think that's the one where DB goes into a great monologue abt clocks... he sounds like John Shuttleworth...)''
heh. it really is take your pick time. there are so many recs, all have their own differences to be honest and I will have to get 'Lace'. Well, I will have to get them all if i can. I am so wrapped up in derek's universe I will just have to do it.
''I saw his ATP set a couple of years ago. He played electric for abt an hour, solo, w/ some backing tapes supplied by Casey Rice (you can hear similar sort of stuff on the otherwise lame-ish 'Playbacks' CD) and he really 'rocked the joint'. Pople were even dancing, and he got a fantastic reception from a v. mixed audience, including friends of mine who were reluctant to accompany me but actually really enjoyed themselves. Plus, he was the loudest thing I saw the whole weekend - this prickly 70 year-old, who didn't say a word, really sticking it to the kids! Oh man, it was fucking great!''
you hurting me andrew, you really are. I'm not one for festivals because I really need to drag someone I know along with me but my brother or my friends won't have anything to do with the music I listen to so it's hard for me to get out there but I will have to make it on tuesday for that duo with prevost, I really will.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 17 August 2002 23:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew Thames, Sunday, 18 August 2002 08:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Very nice!
''For his kind of stimulus I think I'd rather read a book or something, I dunno.''
yes, you don't know, do you?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 August 2002 09:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
The shop is about halfway down Brook Drive and has a red door but is otherwise unmarked; you have to ring the bell to get in but the guys in there are very nice and helpful.
I might be going to the gig with Prevost on Tuesday night, so would be nice to see you there if you can make it.
― Marcello Carlin, Sunday, 18 August 2002 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 18 August 2002 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
yes if i can make it I'll have a black puma bag on me. what about you? or mark?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 August 2002 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 August 2002 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 18 August 2002 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 August 2002 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
I have a green 'Freak Bros' record bag, btw...
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 19 August 2002 07:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 19 August 2002 09:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
bah i forgot to call ep and am out tonight
this is improv foax, the empty seats are part of the pleasure ("it's all abt the music maaaan" = improvism)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 August 2002 12:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 August 2002 13:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 19 August 2002 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
yeah...it won't be a sell out unless there's enough space for only 15 ppl.
''perhaps they will say "allo julio"''
bad mark...so you haven't phoned ep to 'cinfirm' seat availability.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 August 2002 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
The idea of Derek Bailey sharing vocals with Phil Collins on "Easy Lover" -- and especially appearing in the video -- disturbs my tender soul.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 August 2002 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Actually, wld someone be so gd as to post full address etc. (I didn't buy the Wire this month... I know I'll be drummed out of the B. Coley School for ageing improv lovers for admitting that, but hey ho)
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 19 August 2002 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 19 August 2002 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/programmes/m/mr_and_mrs/batey_assistant.jpg
― sandy blair, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'll be waiting outside the gallery. I'll have an orange t-shirt, black trousers and a black puma bag.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's in Yorkton Road, E2. Not near a tube unfortunately (Cambridge Heath BR is a bit of a walk) but quite near Homerton Hospital and bang next to Haggerston City Farm. Most Hackney-bound buses stop there.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
also the organisers started it at 8:40pm not at 8pm which I really ddin't like.
Marcello: where were you?
But i met mark s. The first ILM-er from London I've emt and it was very good indeed.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 07:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
well never mind...hopefully we can meet soon.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
hmm i just noticed you mentioned yorkton road upthread => the entrance we were gathered at is off the carpark which you enter straight off hackney road itself
oh bah, how miserable for you
of course i really enjoyed it but i feel bad about that now as andrew AND marcello AND julio all missed it!!
dr c there were more beards than you could throw a stick at, but *also* more girls than i would have predicted, and a table of middle-aged laydeeZoRs behind me who said aloud that the tri before E/D was "mesmerising" so :P
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
Middle-aged laydeeZoRs!! I imagine a table of chain smoking Diana Rigg-alikes. k-HornXOR!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 08:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Graham - gremlins alert!!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
The geography of East London never fails to bamboozle me. Once past the Old Street roundabout I am a truly lost soul.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 09:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Derek Bailey on the front cover of The Wire September 2004
That will make Julio happy !
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
About time there was one.
x-post: first time ever in abt 3 years I've been buying the thing.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.serious.org.uk/event_info.cfm?ref=238Cecil Taylor/ Bill Dixon/ Tony OxleyAnthony Braxton Quintet
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link
now, if derek bailey were on the cover of mojo...
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link
replace "bill dixon" with "girls aloud" in that line-up and i'll be first in the queue!
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 August 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bidfurd, Friday, 20 August 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Its a very gd issue and i can confidently say its the best in a while even if I haven't read everything - and I also must mention a lovely epiphany by geeta - the chemistry/music : father/son/daughter undercurrent in both of the pieces was something I couldn't miss.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pnvbj
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
seems odd that it's more than five years since he died.
― thomp, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
wish that i was better at sitting, and listening to music, and not doing other things, while i do those two things.
except, maybe, other minor activities, like breathing and drinking tea.
― thomp, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
plinky plink plinky
― thomp, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
aweeaweeaweeawee
SKRONGGG
Super looking forward to this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IPxA%2BzitL.jpg
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
I just bought a copy of his Improvisation book the other day. I'm looking forward to reading it but haven't cracked it open yet because I'm still working through Blues People.
― Romantic style in da world (crüt), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link
watson bk came out before, didn't it? i guess this is a revised version.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 28 June 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
crüt, you can watch the accompanying tv series here: http://www.ubu.com/film/bailey.html
(although, frustratingly, the link for part 4 is actually part 3)
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link
oh yeah, forgot about that. I suspect this is more of a reissue than a revision.
xp
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 28 June 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link
Details of the book Launch
This event has been organised by the AMM (Association of Musical Marxists)
That acronym...such a coincidence ;-)
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 June 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah I've watched the film series. Great stuff.
― Romantic style in da world (crüt), Friday, 28 June 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
iirc Part 4 was on youtube.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-YPRq-t8A
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 July 2013 09:55 (ten years ago) link
"Playing for friends" is all rather too cosy but he's often actual funny and then hes asking for the time at the end in a "have I entertained these buggers for long enough already" so its all ok.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 July 2013 10:01 (ten years ago) link
i saw Bailey at Tonic with Zorn, Joey Baron and Reggie Workman, and though seeing him live was a treat and a great show, i didn't really 'get' anything that didn't come across on record before. if you can't stand his playing after making the best attempt to acquire a taste for it, you're probably fUx0red.
I was at this gig too, having interviewed Bailey for a feature in Jazziz, of all magazines, earlier that day. I also remember there being a duo performance (with Susie Ibarra, maybe?) that was much better than the quartet set.
Anyway, there's a fantastic looking new 4CD box set out - Topographie Parisienne, 3 1/2 hours or so of live material from 1981 with Bailey, Evan Parker, and Han Bennink performing in various combinations (trio, different duos, and some Parker solo - no Bailey solo stuff, though). I just ordered one from Squidco.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 9 August 2019 13:12 (four years ago) link
Here's the full track listing:
CD11. DB-HB-EP Trio 41:532. DB-EP Duet 12:10
CD21. DB-HB-EP Trio 46:012. EP Solo 11:51
CD31. DB-EP Duet 27:562. EP Solo 10:163. HB-EP Duet 17:19
CD41. DB-HB Duet 39:352. HB-EP Duet 12:11
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 9 August 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
Listening to Webern lately and given that Bailey spoke about him often I shouldn't have been surprised, but op 18 and 19 are amazing because they sound like Bailey is in the ensemble as a featured soloist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXqpeoYSGdY
― Brakhage, Saturday, 10 August 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link