Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

argh i fucking know that dude. i'm sayin that EVEN WHEN THEY WERE MAKIN RECORDS TOGETHER there was this VERY VISIBLE narrative about "Andre is the more talented/interesting member of the two." I don't know if you picked up a magazine at any point between 1998 and 2004.

no i know that -- but im talking about that period, i think its totally inaccurate to say big boi was secretly the 'real talent' from 98-04

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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sry for misreading whiney it just read to me like u actually believed he was always the 'real talent' of outkast which is obv b.s.

― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, July 30, 2010 7:38 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Oh, awesome. A recap in case we missed this argument the first time around.

here was this VERY VISIBLE narrative about "Andre is the more talented/interesting member of the two."

actually the hum of people countering this narrative with "Big Boi is totally better than Andre, people just don't know it" has always seemed much, much louder to me than any purported Andre stanning, not saying this to start fights but it's like I hear a LOT more of the former than I do of the latter

of course pretty much the only conversations I have about anything with anybody other than my wife or band are on ilx so that may be skewing my sample data

^^^these days thats def more true. but back around 03 it def wasnt

actually the hum of people countering this narrative with "Big Boi is totally better than Andre, people just don't know it" has always seemed much, much louder to me than any purported Andre stanning, not saying this to start fights but it's like I hear a LOT more of the former than I do of the latter

Actually I read/heard a lot of stuff like this even circa Stankonia. But it depends on what you read. The mainstream press circa S/TLB didn't just rate Andre higher, they actually just ignored Big Boi altogether.

I like J0rdan's argument though: Big Boi's creativity would seem a lot less startling or noteworthy in a context where you had rappers like Mystikal and Ludacris at the top of their game. The beginning of the 00s was a great time for character rappers.

Do sort of feel like Mystikal - owing to subsequent events of his own making - has been sidelined by history. His last 2 albums are both classics in my book.

yeah it's hard to listen to him for me after reading the news stories about the rape. Like some of his records are the most amazing records but I sort of can't get past that stuff.

yeah, i try to do my best not to give a damn what a person does and let their art stand on its own but nonetheless...

i love that Jive is still making Mystikal do another album. Stay classy, guys.

It's actually pretty simple: Big Boi's stayed in the public eye and has released a really good to great solo album, while Dre hasn't. I don't doubt Dre could make a really good to great solo album too.

cool thanks for missing my point

I don't remember addressing you.

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whiney's point is that big boi was actually the real genius during the 98-04 period

fyi just in case everyone missed it the first time

man, you guys got aero to bust out a gif

Awesome. That's his opinion.

it's not

Hope aerosmith follows up with a whambulance.

Neither one is a genius. One has so far shown a better talent for making coherent, brilliant records. It's entirely possible Dre could cobble one together himself when he gets around to it and isn't so hung up on being the polymath.

Hope aerosmith follows up with a whambulance.

deej/whiney lambada didn't reach whambulance levels this time but I stand at the ready

Thank you for your preparedness. That quick response could save lives.

The thread needed CPR anyway.

so we're all having a busy friday night too?

Hopping!

Had a couple of drinks and bad pizza.

sitting here browsing Tumblr and hoping the seltzer I put in the fridge a little while ago will be cold by the time I go back downstairs later

bad pizza 30 for 30 adding names to tomorrow's guest list i need more video games

watchin this good album thread die

I'm desperately hoping my allergy meds kick in so I can stop sniffling and get to sleep.

You need something bubblier than seltzer, markers -- like "Follow Us."

still need to buy this record tbh, but am checking this song out on YouTube now

I love you, whiney. Be my Dre.

"a couple" of drinks

well, this is too late, but here's an attempt at a sort-of answer?

take something like "rosa parks," which got a fair amount of attention (I assume, I wasn't plugged in to rap when it came out) - big boi's verse is very good, but it's sort of a standard good Big Boi verse, lots of braggadocio, but nothing that critics wouldn't have heard before. Andre's is a whole meditation on his current stardom and his fears of becoming stale and his disappointment with, yet understanding of those that do (btw this verse totally depresses me when I listen to it now). And this isn't really something you get all the time in hit rap songs. So obviously critics might focus on the member who's more prone to self-examination and is clearly fixed upon establishing himself as a unique artist, not a flash-in-the-pan (not to say Big Boi isn't, Andre just makes it more overt).

though i feel like if big boi hadn't been there, andre would have received a ton less critical attention, because one of the things about outkast was the ability to appeal to a massively varied audience, which gets simplified bridging the street vs intellectual divide, and since everyone loves binaries big boi and andre get to represent those two poles. and without the partner to contrast with maybe andre would get about the same level of critical attention as say MF Doom. but i could just be pulling things out of my ass here, i dunno.

I don't know "Crumblin' Erb" and "Elevators" already showed BB's ruminative side.

*I don't know:

i posted this on one of the other threads, but i'm really curious as to what the production dynamic was like between dre & big boi -- i didn't realize until recently that they did so many of their own beats, i've never really read much about what that was like between them

so we're all having a busy friday night too?

did what I've been doing every Friday when possible for as long as I can remember: watched ESPN's Friday Night Fights

multitasked with some gif posting & made a peach daiquiri with a really delicious fresh peach

i went out for dinner with my parents to this nice chinese place

now i'm watching baseball

aka every friday night

my gf is watching a movie i already saw and i'm trying to figure out if I should watch my own movie on Netflix streaming, go for a walk or just continue refreshing ilx

I went to the mall with my mom and my younger brother.

Then I watched the Eskimos not go 0-5 this season.

I'm actually probably going to go to bed now.

But I'm going to my girlfriend's cabin tomorrow morning, so that redeems tonight, right?

otm

ksh were you drinking seltzer straight or?

yeah, just the seltzer

"super chill" raspberry seltzer \(O_o)/

what markers doesn't realize is that underrated aerosmith albums i have loved is actually joe perry from aerosmith

throw some gin in that bitch