― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link
but surely when you see Brian perform Smile you're influenced by knowing what went before?
If Syd Barrett had decided to release a record 5 year ago wouldn't you approach it with more than "I wonder if Syd's new record's any good" in your head.
When you reviewed Aerial didn't you have "12 years in the making" in your head as you played it for the first time?
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link
totally true.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
If I'm aware of what went into a record I can't ignore that when I hear the record.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link
By 'these records' do you mean those two specific records, or records of their type which in your opinion are Great, or all records?
I don't think about the artist story behind each record (I have real problems with relating songs to a person's private life), that's not what I meant, I'm sorry I was confusing. It's just that I don't find the process which goes into producing a manufactured-pop record any more distracting than the process than goes into a different record; knowledge of the existence of both affects my listening, and I know it, and I'm fine with that. In fact I often find it less distracting with manufactured pop, because it's overt, it's not a shimmer at the corner of your eye that disappears and reappears when you turn your head.
xposts i know fandango! it's weird and wrong and confusing, but to me it doesn't appear backwards!
― except she got a little more ass (cis), Thursday, 7 September 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, I am actually, honestly, very happy indeed with my musical tastes and attitudes: I don't think there's anything that sucks about them.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
this is why I make it a point not to read interviews before I hear someone's music for the first time. I don't need to know anything about them or how the record was made in order to find out whether I like it or not. it's better to approach new art with a completely open mind if at all possible.
― guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
same here! there isn't anything i won't listen to. i love listening. i am always constantly amazed and surprised by stuff at the ripe old age of 37 going on 38. i am open to anything. i will end up liking m.ward and wilco someday. actually, i don't have anything against m.ward either. just not very exciting to me. i poke fun at the guys at the record store cuz they are always listening to those dreary guys. iron&wine, buckner, ward, ad infintum. they have their place! like when i'm record shopping.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
(Sorry).
Re: current discussion. I think one of the problems with being a massive music fan is that it can be hard to step away from the picture and listen to music on its own merits. The first single I ever bought when I was 9 years old was Pat'n'Mick's "Shake Your Party Down" (or something). I didn't know it was a cover version. I didn't know who Pat Sharp was other than he presented "Fun House" on CITV. I had no idea who Mick Brown was either. I just liked the songs. Since then I've become increasingly addicted to music. I have also learnt a bunch of instruments and music programs. I know how much effort it is to try and form a band and write decent songs that don't suck and therefore my respect for the creative and musical processes increases. It was only, for instance, that someone pointed out to me the exact scope of Brian Wilson's genius that I began appreciating the Beach Boys and learning about the different thought processes and conflicts going on on each album. Previous to that I'd seen them as a cheesy worthless 60's boyband with a couple of silly tunes about surfing.
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― marbles (marbles), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Also, not listening to "pop" does NOT = listening to fucking emo, are you 9?!
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 7 September 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
so authenticity comes in the middle of the night, while you're sleeping, and you wake up finding its sticky traces in the sheets?
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah. actually.
― marbles (marbles), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Was that at me? I can't see anything else that it might reference on here. It wasn't what I meant, I literally just wondered if cis was singling "pop" as a genre out for overproduction or cynicism or whatever. A lot of people do
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 7 September 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link
-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), September 7th, 2006."
He's PROUD to not have any idea who David Byrne is! I guess "willful ignorance" is not a "personal attitude."
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Fuck, I'd be glad not to know who David Byrne is!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― just say no to individuality (fandango), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link
This is me too.
― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― GLC (ZakAce), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link
eugene wilde firefall vic damone opus seven the beck family apache j.c. philips 2 live crew southern contemporary rock ensemble dave valentin jo march kay armen axe t.c. curtis sister sledge e.q. john anderson new edition ray gomez snapper nick straker band herbie hancock teddy pendergrass randy crawford george benson john o'banion garrison & van dyke whitesnake betty madigan the godz (70's version) little anthony guy b.j. thomas ian lloyd angel city bruce roberts spyro gyra scott jarrett jonathan edwards ronnie laws don rondo lazy racer al caiola heat the dramatics chris rea the will bronson singers barbara law toad hall bad company jewel blanch tom sparks point blank spider phil davis spinners nantucket jimmy roselli billy swan warren storm jeff cannata pete hanley georgio the jets john davis & the monster orchestra millie jackson lionel cartwright loose ends the right choice tommy tutone dr.strut leon ware alfonzo surrett j.silver ("(Baby Let Me) Bang Your Box". love that one. especially all the mentions of mr.bill. oh noooooooooo!) candi charly mc clain jo jo zep & the falcons zed danny davis & the nashville brass jubai gary bonner kool & the gang dolores hawkins thunder peter brown shawn phillips the greenwood singers mary lou turner jonathan mars liner hilly michaels taffy mcelroy the whites tasha thomas wild cherry sharon ridley don king love committee booker t bunny debarge frank marino & mahogany rush sheela conroy round trip aquarian dream jackie de shannon sounds of sunshine cugini marion worth the blue boys googie and tom coppola face dancer (not to be confused with face dancers! who i love!) southern exposure mtume earl scruggs revue sabu tantrum the inmates sweat band thrills buddy miles regiment fotomaker the kings the motors starbuck the chocolate jam company mass production clout rona dickey lee robin trower the limit kathy zory mother's finest court pickett lonnie youngblood andy kim style blancmange gabriel nancy martinez jona lewie
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link
i like the funeral song. that has to be his best song. isn't it? it's undeniable. i can live without him for the most part though.
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Maybe, maybe not. She's pretty exceptional. Also, in the golden age of Egyptian popular music, there were always just a few extremely exceptional singers at the topic of the pyramid (as it were). Have you see that Topic compilation of Egyptian female singers (from the 1920s/30s, I think it was)? Sorry to swoop down as soon as her name came up. Anyway, I guess your larger point stands about unpacking the history of music from other cultures.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 8 September 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link