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But I AM RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

we all think that sometimes, and thats why the world is the way it is

all together now "loooooove makes the world go rooooooooooound..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah. Love is for the WEAK. I declare Fatwa on the Infidel, stevem!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

"crazy...hey, but that's how it goes..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

raci..."eurocentrist" dud. I'm gonna stop talking about good Good Charlotte, Limp Bizkit are or how bad "Reveal" is, lest I come off like this monotonous prick.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

If you guys will just stop talking about how bad Oasis, Coldplay and Travis are, then chances are you won't get me started either.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

cryptofacist threadhijacking egomaniac

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir can eat a...oh, hey there! Didn't see you there, Geir. Still, dud-ola.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

uh, where was anyone talking about Travis or Oasis or Coldplay on the Class Pt 2 thread?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

That thread was about how everybody who is into music like Travis and Coldplay (that is, song oriented indie music played by white males) is supposedly rascist just because they don't like disco and other genres that are similar to disco.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

no it wasn't - read the thread and link me to specific posts re: travis or coldplay.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir is in fine form today; the contradictions in his silly theories are revealing themselves more plainly than usual and he's resorting to all kinds of desperate sophistry in an attempt to avoid head-explosion.

HStencil, I think it's OK to tell Geir to eat a big _____ even in his presence, given his nonsense of late.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I've often wanted to say that myself.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

That thread is about indie. Indie=Travis & Coldplay (among others)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

no it doesn't - read the thread and post specific references to travis, coldplay, oasis. indie (indie - the definition of which is argued on the thread - = drag city, matador, touch & go).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Indie is indie. And just the idea that refusing to listen do disco (because disco it is) is rascist is just completely absurd.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

This is getting tiresome in the extreme.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It is obvious that Geir is just a European musician who can't swing, and must justify this aesthetically.

(possible counterattack: my theoretical knowledge of harmony sucks, so I was drawn to music with a strong rhythmic element. true, except um, jazz is some of the most advanced music harmonically that's out there)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:26 (twenty-three years ago)

but that wasn't what the thread was about - how bout this you give me a brief synopsis of the different arguments put forth on that thread (and what 'indie' means according to that thread - lists artists, records) up to the time you hijacked it and I might believe you actually glanced at the thing before you decided to make it (like everything else) about YOU YOU YOU and your standard white aesthetic resistance trope. Does the fact that you post the same posts on completely different and unrelated threads maybe suggest to you that you just might be a bore? How is it anything but rude and egocentric? How does it contribute to the discourse at hand in any fashion (other than making the discourse at hand about the melodofuhrer Geir Hongro of the Great White North)?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The point here is that this rascist argument is being used again and again by talentless (mainly white) fans with no knowledge of true music at all, to put down people who do actually have musical skills that they, personally, don't understand.

In the late 70s, people who appreciated better and more complex music would be written off as "old", "Irrelevant" or whatever the punks said. Today the rascist argument has replaced that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir I don't like ripping on someone like this, since all I think all opinions are important. They derive from one's experience, emotional reactions and what one desires from music. Your opinions would be more valuable if you used more than a single criteria to judge music, if there was a modicum of mystery to how you value things. Instead, you implies that the amount of complexity in melody and the lack of rhythmic focus is all the matters.

Anyone who can tell if there is a complex melody on a song or loud instruments never needs to hear what you have to say ever again. Cuz you're never going to say "that lyric really gets to me" or "it makes me want to dance" or "I love the way he says 'culture'" or draw anything to our attention aside from the extremely obvious. You have no ability to value any opinion aside from your own, or at least have no desire to express that appreciation. You're acting like a slide rule.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

haha - I got the Geirbot in Alex in NYC 'listen junior' mode!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

how bout this Geirbot SS2000 - when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

In Latin they call this a non sequitor.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

no, that rhythmic stuf fucks with your ability to rite in the Kween's english. Trus mee.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

actually they call it a non sequitur

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-three years ago)

[/pedantry]

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I know whutcha sayin' Ant'ny. Ev'ry time I listen to that bump-de-bum-bump, all my ability to appreciate formal structure flies right out the window, and I'm given over to my baser instincts. It's like I become an animal. Like a gorilla or somethin'.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

So, with all the beautiful and sometimes very complex melodies and harmonies in jazz, Geir, do you completely disavow that music?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn you, Amateurist! I'll get you next time!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I commented on jazz in another thread. I dislike the improvisation and lack of obvious precomposed melodies in jazz. On the other hand, I love the complex harmonies in jazz.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I can't really fault someone for not enjoying the improvisation, even though it encompasses a lot of what I find exciting about music, but there are so many classic "obviously precomposed" melodies in jazz. Donna Lee or Anthropology for example, or all of Wayne Shorter's tunes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Wayne Shorter is a good example. "Heavy Weather" is a great album

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I prefer his acoustic stuff though, Speak No Evil is esp. brilliant.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Geirbot SS2000 - asking you whether your black friends really just listen to the music you say they listen to is based on a pathetic premise how? (are you saying your dodges are prinicipled now?)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

''When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.''

say what they are and arg abt these premises but you won't bcz its far easier to actually keep talking abt your 'theories'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

but anyway fuck this. I'll just post the lyrics to wire's 'Mannequin':

''You're a waste of space
No natural grace
You're so bloody thin
You don't even begin

To interest me, not even curiosity
It's not animosity, it's just you don't interest me

You're an energy void
A black hole to avoid
No style no heart
You don't even start''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir many of the people who are arguing with you happen to be very talented. speking for myself and myself only, i make my living as a music writer and try my best to be a good one, covering a wide range of different styles. I understand melody, harmony and chord structures as well as you but I also understand many other things such as rhythm and emotion. You have just shown yourself up to be not only hopelessy blinkered and ethically suspect, but also as an arrogant and obnoxious fuckwit...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se? In other words, it would be like asking why nobody bought fiction books based on the NY Times bestseller list for *nonfiction* -- get it?

And finally, you stepped in a stupid fucking field of landmines by starting a thread on race in which you argued that race shouldn't be looked at and simultaneously made absurd assumptions (like R&B chart = sample of black people's listening rather than of people who listen to R&B's listening) premised on racial differences.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, I think the first thing on pt II that he said was that race has nothing to do with music (just like sex on another one as well)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

geir hongro = norwegian dood

-- gygax! (gygax0...), April 2nd, 2003.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Geir genuinely thinks that Class Part 2 talked about the implicit racism of radio-friendly British pop-rock bands. Maybe the term "indie" is confusing because it means something different in Europe (esp. Britain) than it does in America. But Geir, the topic mostly centered on American Indie Rock, and its divorce from popular culture at large (which, in America, is very saturated with "black" elements). Maybe a few people were making accusations that American Indie Rock *suffered* from not incorporating these elements. But a lot of us were just trying to analyze the cultural phenomenon. Your comments weren't quite appropriate because you labored under false assumptions (see above) and your unfamiliarity with a) American indie rock and b) African-American culture make you sorta unqualified to critique our points. It'd be like if you started a thread on Norwegian musical tastes: I might be curious about the topic, but I wouldn't deign to argue about it, since I know very little about it (although that Norwegian Top 40 was very amusing). See what I mean?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

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― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

wasn't he already warned about this on another thread?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(you're going to need a bigger boat. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

(I've gotta be here all day, cal. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

*pump*

― Mister Blobby, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

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