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Oh, I mean "MacArthur" is all right, just that everybody did it back then. They also do "Something," which is a great song, but the Beatles did such a brilliant arrangement on it. The throwaway things are the best on that Reed/Atkins record.

So, I think Alan Jackson's record is just so sly; what it reminds me of, strangely enough, is John Cale's "Paris 1919." The slide guitar and the air of things recollected at a distance; in fact, Cale seemed peripheral to Europe or whatever the fuck he was singing about then, and so does Jackson to the South, somehow. Myth, which puts him into Haggard territory. What I really like about the record are the musical details, the singing is fine but I have to concentrate more to get what his relationship to his wild youth. It's mythical, so when he sings about the devil sitting there with a grin, that registers, sure, but it's the little guitar figure you remember.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent post (a reprint technically) about Johnny Cash on the occasion of the 3rd anniversary of his death (tomorrow): http://www.livinginstereo.com/

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Edd! I guess I really need to delve into Webb sometime. When Ben Edmonds was Editor of Creem, he made sure there was plenty coverage of Webb's own (infrequent) albums, and other crits were adamant advocates, but mostly I know the early hits for Glenn Campbell. Wasn't their "reunion" album, with Webb actually involved in more than the writing, kind of like an art countrypop thing? Think it said on allmusic, but I don't feel like clicking through all their hoops right now. Tim, you might want to look for Richard Harris's album with his orig hit of "Macarthur Park"--was it A Tramp Shining? Richard in closeup profile, sort of Napoleonic-looking, but with autumnal mustache and sideburns (yes, they look like melancholy leaves). It's all Webb songs; of course Richard's got more tremelo than anybody other than Gary Stewart, but/and I confess I played the hell out of it when I was a melancholy teen.(Haven't seen my copy in decades, and no idea if I'd like it now, but the writing seemed very consistent).

don (dow), Monday, 11 September 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I love both those Harris LPs ("A Tramp Shining" and "The Yard Went On Forever" - the latter has "The Hymns From Grand Terrace" which almost matches "MP" in scale).

The Glen Campbell - Jimmy Webb LP is magnificent, yes, and yes it's art countrypop: JW's writing at its best is this odd mixture of smart and dumb which I find enormously charming. The country is more of a flavour than a foundation stone, but it is there. An interesting point of comparison is "Watermark" the LP Art Garfunkel made arond the same time, using mostly Webb songs. "Watermark" is also a brilliant record, but much more of a yachtpop proposition than the Campbell. It also has the distinction of being extremely easy to find in the £1 bins, always a bonus.

Even close followers of Glen tend to admit that his LPs in the late 70s and early 80s tended to have only the odd gem, and often the gem turned out to be a Jimmy Webb tune: "Highwayman", "Cristiaan, No", marvellous stuff there.

As for Jimmy's solo LPs, their success depends fairly heavily on your ability to acquire the taste for his voice. Probably, your best bet is to get the "Archive" best of (esp the new expanded version with the Live At The Albert Hall CD, which may be UK-only, I'm not sure). It's really well-compiled and covers most of the goodies from the albums.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of richard harris, i am enromously fondo f the hive, and i think thats true even w/o the kitsch factor

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

I recently picked up a Jimmy Webb solo album from last year (Twilight of the Renegades) but haven't got around to it yet. I don't have high hopes for it but I was curious, anyone familiar with it?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

I saw him play big chunks of it live last year, and some of the songs seemed strong, but I haven't yet taken a chance on the album. Sorry.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

What's "the hive" Anthony? And how can there be Harris without a kitsch factor? His action movies, maybe? A Man Called Horse was pretty cool. I saw a clip that excerpted Webb's Albert Hall or something from early 70s: very slow, almost halting, and nasal, sort of like he was trying to imitate the pre-yacht James Taylor (Sweet Baby James etc; you know, the Introspective Years)(although the late 70s JT was probably his best album of that)

Rudy Wontfail (dow), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Kinda liking Spady Brannan's album The Long Way Around and Other Short Stories, good songs and he can croon even though he can't really sing that well, but not as much as I like Terrance Simien's Across the Parish Line, which succeeds even though it's glaringly obvious in its song choices (god another version of "Louisiana 1927"?) — might be the fact that it's the only zydeco album I can think of that starts with an ambient-jazz remix?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

wow, that sounds cool on Terrance. Now, Richard Harris: I own "A Tramp Shining." What a great album, and yeah, without kitsch, where is the Man Called Horse, I ask? It's a classic of its kind, in fact I am drinking a beer right now and wish I had a whisky--cool, wet, rainy, cloudy here today, weather that gets me down.

I dunno, Gary Bennett's record is nice, but it's the singing that drags me a bit. R.S. Field's production is ace, however. I like it fine, wish he'd gotten a bit more down and dirty.

And shit, I never thought I'd say this, but Alan Jackson really made something like a great album, his new one. Or Alison Krauss did. It kinda got stuck in my head and I have to hear the first 5-6 songs daily--"Fire Flys"especially is just ingenious. Operates in the realm of the everyday uncanny or something like that--Alan Jackson don't even have to try but he's trying here to do something he perceives he needs to try to do, and almost not tries and succeeds. "Sometimes less is more," he sings. I'm impressed.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

the Hive is a song that Richard Harris recorded, in the mid 70s. Richard Harris' career as an actor is pretty kitsch free, but the music is a different story.

The song is so over wrought and over the top, and camp theatrical...

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

But that's what's good about it, as a safety valve (though might not have been so safe back when it came on the car radio every half hour). Just posted about this on the Rick Johnson RIP, but hasn't shown up on New Answers, so I'll say here that Richard Riegel just told me that Bill Knight, editor of the Prairie Sun and other rags that published Rick Johnson, is putting together a Reek anthology, and since some of the Prairie Sun stuff pre-dates Creem (maybe some more after, too) might have quite a few bonus tracks.

don (dow), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody else in this joint going to the Americana Music Association deal in Nashville next week? I'll be there...
Highlights include:

Carlene Carter
Charlie Louvin
Tony Joe White
Ray Wylie Hubbard
Joy Lynn White
Hacienda Bros.
Abigail Washburn
Amy LaVere
Dale Watson
The Duhks
James McMurtry
James Hunter

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Can't make it, but Cary Baker will be there, with almost all his army of clients, incl several on your list, though Blind Arvella is otherwise engaged (got a gig with Buddy Bolden, Arthur Lee, and Jayne Mansfield)

don (dow), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

I was pretty much entirely gurtted when I saw that that started the day I fly out of Nashville. Oh well.

(Any tips for good shows Saturday - Tuesday much appreciated btw, though I don't have any idea of how my time there's going to work.)

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Only show I know about is tomorrow night, on CMT's Crossroads (8pm CST/9pm EST): Rosanne Cash and Steve Earle. I thought this was a bizarre combination til I remembered that it worked on her "I'll Change For You," but they'll be pushing their luck, but that makes it interesting. And then there will be his solo turns (dooky flingers at the Earle may now let fly). Heh, All Things Considered is interviewing the Googler who found all the lines Dylan's lifted from Henry Timrod, Poet Laureate of the Confederacy (see that thread too)(although it's mostly fairly common rhymes? Not much of an interview, but he's posted all this)

don (dow), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band on the Tonight Show! Just one song, but think it was the same as in the video on CMT's Wide Open Country. Good too; didn't try any upturns in the rasp, but several good backup singers, without getting too choiry about it. Maybe he''ll do a Crossroads, who should it be with?

don (dow), Friday, 15 September 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

where do i start with seger

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 15 September 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

Start at the beginning, that was his best.

don (dow), Friday, 15 September 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

what was the beginning

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 16 September 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

(As for Seger's new album, devotees of this thread might be interested to learn that I recently published a review of it, followed a week later by both a brief interview with him and a review of Kenny Chesney's fine new live album, in a well-known trade magazine.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

oh what the hell (i can't find the seger stuff right now):

http://billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/album_review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003122625

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

and while i'm at it, a couple of these are country too, i think:

http://harpmagazine.com/guides/contributors/detail.cfm?id=527

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

The last Jimmy Webb record was ok, "Paul Gauguin In The South Seas" is an almost perfect example of what Tim said about Webb being very good at the whole smart/stupid thing, wonderful hand-wringing about the fate of the starving artist and whatnot. It gives me goosebumps.

I've pre-ordered that Alan Jackson Cd. I'm very happy to hear he's made a great album, I loved "Drive".

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Alan Jackson CD is indeed great. I'm speechless -- What took him so long? Did he ever even make a good album before? (Hell, did Alison Krauss ever make a good one, for that matter?) Bizarrely, what the new one keeps reminding of is Gary Allan's last few albums -- just the way that Alison uses open space. Beautiful. "Nobody Said It Would Be Easy" and "Bluebird" are sounding right up there with "The Fire Fly Song" now, and more and more of it is kicking in.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

It also occurs to me that, between this Alan Jackson album and Toby Keith's slower and sparer stuff on the *Broken Bridges* soundtrack, that male country singers might be increasingly tapping old white male jazz pop ballad vocalists (like, I dunno, Hoagy Carmichael? what do I know about old white male jazz pop ballad vocalists?) as an influence. There is an ease to this music that hasn't been popular in country since I don't know when (except when it has). I'd be curious about others' thoughts on this phenomenon. (I dunno, maybe the influence isn't really jazz at all.) For Toby and Alan, at least, it seems to be a sort of "maturity" move, and not a dumb one.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

hes made great songs before, but then im a singles man.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

I guess, before this album, my favorite Alan Jackson song ever was "Little Man," which nobody seems to ever talk about. I've liked-not-loved a few others, but I've always been skeptical about the guy.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

also hearing some glen campbell in alan's new album, for instance in the opening track "anywhere on earth you are," which is, again, gorgeous. so anyway, who were glen's and, more importantly maybe, merle's jazz vocal influences? i mean, obviously merle's strangers were totally immersed in the texas playboys, but i'm not talking about his western swing stuff so much as his more ballad-oriented but still jazzy stuff like, um....well, whatever tracks fit that description (i guess mainly stuff he's done from the late '70s on).

"tragedy of you," last track on the otherwise blues-punk EP by the bones (from louisiana), is on now and is calling you an asshole and dickhead and reminding me of shooter jennings. here's their page:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=7483383

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

and earlier i was playing the reissue of ice cream for crow by captain beefheart, and being surprised by how country (and how melodic) so many instrumental passages on that album are. (i recall it as his most user-friendly album, but hadn't heard it for ages.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Krauss's production of the first Nickel Creek worked kinda the same way, though in that case kinda vs. their youthful exuberance but with their youthful apprehensions and observations, growing up in smog gardens of Southern Cali (see my archived NC piece on http:thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com)(which also says her approach didn't work so well on the followup, but it might not have been her fault), rather than AJ's middle ages (I wanna say he's late 40s, but been in the Biz a long time, so prob feelin it, although he's seemed middle-aged a long time). We had a big discussion of the Hoagy thing in country back when those Dean Martin reissues came out (so way up this same thread, rat? The longest year...) But speaking of Merle, you remind me that xgau referred in passing to his "Sinatra to Willie's Bing." And Jerry Lee said he listened to that stuff, and to Jolson's postWWII comeback, "because that's what there was to listen to on the radio," along with country of course; true for Willie, and certainly true for Merle later, in the 50s/60s, when Frankie was the King/Savior of Adult Pop, increasingly flauting his middle aged cool (and eventual self-parody, but chalk that up to "middle aged crazy," before he came back to growl his way, like an old bluesman, through cable specials, like At Wolftrap. Come to think of it, I think he and Willie did some some Vegas shows together.)Now to check xxhuxx's reviews.

don (dow), Sunday, 17 September 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

re the dixie chicks--they dont want to go bigger, they want to go smart, ie they want to give up commerce for art, its up to the audience to determine wether that dilaectic is still valid, but i think thats what they are trying

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 17 September 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

when was that dialectic *ever* valid, anthony?

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

im not saying it is valid, im saying its the game that the chix are trying to play...

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

"tragedy of you, ...by the bones (from louisiana), is... reminding me of shooter jennings

nah, actually, the bones guy is even worse singer. probably reminds me more of some long-lost proto-alt-country cowpunk band i can place right now. but i like it okay. the band's blues-punk gunk is better, partly because it pushes harder. weird how much a sucker i still am for silly ancient backwoods birthday party/gun club shtick when i've never been all that big a fan of those two bands. (honestly, i don't own a single album by either of them, haven't in years, though once upon a time i did.) also "bulge" on the bones EP reminds me of one of those sub-fall late '80s british art-punk bands i used to like so much: three johns or janitors or membranes or somebody of that ilk.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

best track on their EP is probably the first one, "ground," where the ground is gonna swallow the singer up, with some stunted ghost of led zeppelin in the riffs and rhythm doing the swallowing. (not that this has anything to do with country. okay, change the subject.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

It should be noted, despite all the sincere praise from myself and others above, that the Alan Jackson album does have its moments of feeling reserved and genteel to the point of antiseptic-ness that one might expect from an Alison Krauss project, or at least it seems too. "Where Do I Go From Here (A Trucker's Song)", for instance, is shooting emotional blanks for me so far, at least til near its ending, when something though I'm not sure what kicks in. (Maybe the super sleepy tracks like that will just take more time, however.)

A question for our Canadian correspondents: Any thoughts about Matt Mays & El Torpedo, who if I recall the press bio have had three top 20 hits in the great white north this year? Press bio also compared them to Tom Petty w/ Heartbreakers and Neil Young w/ Crazy Horse, I think. I guess I'm sort of hearing it, I dunno. Song on now is called "Cocaine Cowgirl." Matt's voice is not nearly as distinctive as Neil's or Tom's, I'm thinking so far. But his songs do appear to have some degree of drama to them. Maybe he deserves to be lumped in with recent Drive By Truckers? He's not bugging me as much as DBT's have on their past couple of albums, but maybe that just means my expectations are lower. None of this tracks are killing me, either.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

(read xxx's reviews: still never heard a whole Chesney, but that might be the one to start with, eh? Except he prob doesn't do "Tractor Sexy," since it's all recent, but I already know that one, and its classic video Huck Johns, Dale Watson especially, seen interesting; do all the Harp reviews have to be that short, though?!) Speaking of the lesser Truckers, even less inspired are most of the very Patterson Tucker-influenced songs on the new New Heathens. But even his less inspired dirges are more tuneful than these, and though they're just as wordy, then again his tight little whine puts more words across than the NH guy usually does. Works better with shorter phrases, but the only essential is "Kansas Romeo," about a kid, part-Mexican,no money, who's measured as "a little slow," sent to a group home, where he's smitten by another kid, "three or four years younger," and "teenage hormones" enter the picture. Points out that a high school upperclassman would be busted for statutory rape at most, if caught with a girl. But that's not the case, so the older one's in prison "for another 17 years," condemning himself, but that's why they call it a penitentiary, rat?

don (dow), Sunday, 17 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Except he prob doesn't do "Tractor Sexy,"

On the live album? Sure he does, Don - I mention it in the review.

do all the Harp reviews have to be that short

Well, most of their regular reviews (except the lead one) seem short, but mine run in the print edition as a separate page known as "Last Roundup," sort of consumer-guide-like but without grades and not alphabetically ordered. So I tended to write them short to fit more albums on the page -- That was my own choice. (I wrote four such columns, two of which have run so far in the magazine.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 17 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I think the Alan Jackson record is a strange 'un. I did a short thing on it for a NY weekly, and actually did say, Xhuxk, that he's sorta Hoagy Carmichael channeling Eugene Record (of the Chi-Lites, RIP) on that first song. IN other words, I think it's some sort of attempt to make a perhaps somewhat genteel, even antiseptic, pop record that's about memory and all that shit. Like the Chi-Lites, maybe. What I hear is just genericized '70s, from Skynyrd ballads to Little Feat to Marshall Tucker to, fuck, Dan Fogelberg. All that. And I think it's one of the few country records that really gets over on sheer *music*, I think the musical ideas are mostly sort of inspired in a g- and perhaps even a- way. I find his singing reserved to the point of near absurdity, but as on his magnificent Jimmy Buffett video where he even looks not stupid in shorts and seems to know something about Buffett's Eternal Party and the Lovely Women Who Drink In Them that even J.B. don't know ("It Must Be 5:00 Somewhere" or whatever that one's called), he seems to just kind of bend his shtick to whatever comes by, and in interviews he has said that he found Krauss a bit "crazy" but that he was "crazy" too. So yeah, western-swing filtered thru Bloomington, Indiana heartland Hoagy stuff, but perhaps more like '70s nostalgia for the '30s (which was a big thing back then) filtered thru whatever Krauss does. I like her, I mean I don't much care for that math-grass shit but I think she's obviously smart, and she seems to want to to experiment a little.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 18 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

What's the title, "Monday Morning Church"? AJ on dealing with grief, and (evenly, but not too wimpily) expressed doubts (about afterlife, etc) That was really good. And his turn on the ZZ trib (x-x, I'm really senile with the titles today, incl. the xpost Chesney chestnut roasting, apparently).The one Ah mean was of course well-described by meee, in "Sharp Blessed Men," archived at villagevoice.com, one of my best evah (at least up to that point). the xpost Anne McCue review now playing(with MP3): http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=154

don (dow), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

This is not new, but I like it (surf bluegrass instrumental by the Stoneman Family):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a3uPZ97AXU

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

I guess this is where I should put my observation that Sara Evans is STINKING UP THE JOINT on "Dancing With the Stars." She looks uncomfortable, arrhythmic, and unsexy, and she looked offended that the judges would dare criticize her to her face.

Haha, she sucks.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)


don, thanks for sending me the bosley, its growing on me, a little soft in places, a little too contained i think, but beautiful

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks! But it wasn't me, unless--you mean Tom Bosley--hey, that's where my tape of The Father Dowling Mysteries went! Oh well(send me yr postal so I can send you Julie Roberts). Just finished listening to a broadcast of Elvis Costello and the Imposters featuring Allen Toussaint, live at the Playboy Jazz Festival. They're rolling it(duh), and EC's voice just keeps getting deeper and stronger. Anybody heard E and A's new album, The River In Reverse?

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

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anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Sara Evans...I saw her with that southern comedian, Foxworthy. She looked somehow less sexy that previous. I dunno.

Yeah, Don, heard the Costello/Toussaint. The DVD is the thing, actually, because you get to see Toussaint and Elv riding thru NOLA together. I find the record good, but as usual, why do I want to listen to Costello when I can listen to Lee Dorsey? But he does sing OK. I am probably going to sit thru all that crap at the Americana thing so I can hear Toussaint. Also going to catch, I hope, Carlene Carter late tonite, and there are a couple other things I want to explore. I guess Costello's gonna be there, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Be sure to tellus about whatever you do get to hear!

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Just heard Little Big Town's "Good As Gone," and got me right away, this time the harmonies don't sound pretentious, they do give me a shiver of the old country at the beginning, but the shift into poppier sound is seamless, thought it was xpost McCue for a second. And the Carrie Underwood right after that, "Do You Remember Me," if that's the title.

don (dow), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)


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