Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

well that settles that then! lol

just thinking re: "Theme Song" but how superficial does your relationship have to be if you're dating a guy and his reassurances that you've got your very own ringtone in his phone comfort you?

Would think this is a cause for discomfort rather than the opposite.

The guitar hook on "Follow Us" = gold

i love fo yo sorrows

really feelin back up plan too

im not in love w this record but 4 real seeing big boi tonite was, despite not being a transcendent thing, really really really graet

graet enough to be worth paying $99, for two seats, in an arena, to see him support T-Pain and Ne-Yo next week?

well ne-yo's pretty great live too (never seen t-pain) so i'm leaning towards yes

If I'd liked any other Ne-Yo songs beyond Put Your Hands Up and Back Like That it would be easier, but doubt I'd make it through T-Pain anyway.

It's two nights after an LCD/Hot Chip double-header, and the night before Goldfrapp, all with work the next day...

Isn't T-Pain live basically a massive ridiculous spectacle to diguise the fact that he isn't actually singing?

that does make it easier, ditch lcd/hot chip/goldfrapp and see these 3

i'd totally be interested in seeing t-pain live

Having seen T-Pain live, I can tell you he can sing and he can sing well!

I saw T-Pain once and he totally performed live vocals and is generally a pretty entertaining performer w/o a lot of bells and whistles. that was 3 years ago, though, his stage show may have changed since then. xpost

does T Pain use autotune live (obviously it doesn't work the same way)? seems like he can actually sing based on that song Keep Goin' from his last album....

Sasha Fierce on Big Boi

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2010/08/02/100802crmu_music_frerejones

I wonder how many hundreds of times I will listen to "Shutterbug" this year.

So, this is actually serious question despite the "hilarious," internet-snarky way I'm going to ask it.

Since it's become achingly obvious that Big Boi is the real genius of this group, how and when did the "Andre 3000 is the more talented half of OutKast" narrative even start?

iirc, like even before Speakerboxxx/The Love Below dropped, there was these lead-up of like alt-mags and fashion mags and rock crits freaking the fuck out because Andre listened to the Hives and dressed like a dandy fop and talked about space bullshit and played guitar and was a reclusive studio hermit and did fashion spreads and tons of disingenuous "OMG HE'S THE BLACK THOM YORKE" bullshit. Even though Speakerboxxx was like >>>>> Andre's half, it was easy to go along with it for a long time since "Hey Ya" was such an event record.

But when and how did this all begin?

well he was always the more overtly wacky one, right? more of an attention-grabber?

since he was harder to categorize, i feel that's why ppl put him on a pedestal

i'm not sure WHEN it began, but i think it's easy to see how rock critics would gravitate towards andre as opposed to big boi

also i'm not ready to say that big boi is THE_REAL_GENIUS or whatever -- like, if andre was sentenced by a judge to making a RAP album right now, i'm willing to bet that it might end up being better than 'left foot'

I have no authority to posit this, but I think there's something nostalgic, or familiar about Big Boi's excellence -- like obviously very creative, but he's also speaking to a history of music and excavating earlier sounds and reframing them, so there's something instantly recognizable about him and maybe that takes a little more time to realize how genius it actually is. Andre's style always seemed more overtly out-there, and at first glance maybe the more interesting voice between the two of them -- but subtlety is winning out in the end?

was it alfred that brought up neil young wrt to andre? or did that not happen? some artists just use their massive capital to fuck around -- it's kind of just a lack of self-control i think, not necessarily a repudiation of their genius

I mean, I hate to frame it in this way, but it seemed a lot of the media latched onto the "this Andre 3000 guy really like white people music" bit for a minute.

i still feel like andre is way less consistent than big boi but has higher highs. there's no single big boi verse on the record that's as captivating as andre on "royal flush" imo.

xp

xpost, that's exactly what I was talking about!

i think pretty much what's happened with big boi's career narrative in terms of critics is like

in the 2000s, it was prob easy to lump big boi in with all of the popular southern gangster rappers that were popping off at that time, and obv there were tons of them -- by contrast, andre was something different, he was listening to the hives and dressing like a dandy fop

now, we have a ton of rappers listening to grizzly bear and dressing like dandy fops, whereas big boi, by contrast, is a southern gangster rapper, of which there aren't very many popping off at this time -- the tables have sort of been turned on him, and now ppl are all "yeah, a southern rap record we can get behind! remember this shit!"

that is sort of the obvious ilx-approved reason, but is that the real reason? xp

j0rdan otm

But when and how did this all begin?

turban wearing circa ATLiens

was it alfred that brought up neil young wrt to andre? or did that not happen?

Sounds right. All these Neil Young threads lately blur.

Big Boi is pretty adventurous in his own right and this album proves it, which means he's pretty much the perfect partner for Andre. But it's the chemistry between the two that makes the best records - Aquenimi and Stankonia are better albums than Luscious Left Foot. It's only when the press and the fans started viewing them as oppositional that the Outkast rot set in.

Actually, I was referring to Andre 3000 when making the Neil Young comparison, J0rdan.

t's only when the press and the fans started viewing them as oppositional that the Outkast rot set in.

wait waht

Yeah I should have elaborated on that a bit - my guess would be that Andre started believing his own hype, hence The Love Below, which is a monumentally self-indulgent record.

Since it's become achingly obvious that Big Boi is the real genius of this group, how and when did the "Andre 3000 is the more talented half of OutKast" narrative even start?

this is revisionist bs btw

yurp

'the real genius of the group' what???

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

how involved in the production is big boi though? the fact that andre wrote/produced/played the instruments in 'hey ya' made it easy for people to say that he was the second coming of prince...despite the rest of the album basically sucking.

big boi does production.

sry for misreading whiney it just read to me like u actually believed he was always the 'real talent' of outkast which is obv b.s. -- their post-kast career has a lot less to do w/ what made them good as a group

i just listened to Speakerboxxx again and it was bangin. I tried to listen to the Dre side and couldn't even get two tracks in before "Everybody needs someone to rub their shoulders and scratch their dandruff" and I smh and turned it off

yeah but they had a decade long career before that record came out of which andre was a vital part, & i dont mean that like "hey phife was almost as good as Tip"

argh i fucking know that dude. i'm sayin that EVEN WHEN THEY WERE MAKIN RECORDS TOGETHER there was this VERY VISIBLE narrative about "Andre is the more talented/interesting member of the two." I don't know if you picked up a magazine at any point between 1998 and 2004.

no i know that -- but im talking about that period, i think its totally inaccurate to say big boi was secretly the 'real talent' from 98-04

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

― krippendorf's trife (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 30, 2010 8:18 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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well i obv don't really mean that phrase literally, but he's def the one who makes better music and no one's really arguin

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sry for misreading whiney it just read to me like u actually believed he was always the 'real talent' of outkast which is obv b.s.

― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, July 30, 2010 7:38 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Oh, awesome. A recap in case we missed this argument the first time around.

here was this VERY VISIBLE narrative about "Andre is the more talented/interesting member of the two."

actually the hum of people countering this narrative with "Big Boi is totally better than Andre, people just don't know it" has always seemed much, much louder to me than any purported Andre stanning, not saying this to start fights but it's like I hear a LOT more of the former than I do of the latter

of course pretty much the only conversations I have about anything with anybody other than my wife or band are on ilx so that may be skewing my sample data

^^^these days thats def more true. but back around 03 it def wasnt

actually the hum of people countering this narrative with "Big Boi is totally better than Andre, people just don't know it" has always seemed much, much louder to me than any purported Andre stanning, not saying this to start fights but it's like I hear a LOT more of the former than I do of the latter

Actually I read/heard a lot of stuff like this even circa Stankonia. But it depends on what you read. The mainstream press circa S/TLB didn't just rate Andre higher, they actually just ignored Big Boi altogether.

I like J0rdan's argument though: Big Boi's creativity would seem a lot less startling or noteworthy in a context where you had rappers like Mystikal and Ludacris at the top of their game. The beginning of the 00s was a great time for character rappers.

Do sort of feel like Mystikal - owing to subsequent events of his own making - has been sidelined by history. His last 2 albums are both classics in my book.

yeah it's hard to listen to him for me after reading the news stories about the rape. Like some of his records are the most amazing records but I sort of can't get past that stuff.