Daft Punks's "Discovery" : Classic or Dud

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Dan, you're a blowhard and that Photek album is a piece of horseshit next to anything Daft Punk put on wax.

― chaki, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it's not. (Also roffle at the King of Baseless Pronouncements calling someone a blowhard.)

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

it's great

― RJG, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

its v v great

― chaki, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not nearly as good as Homework!

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

About half of the LO FI FNK record is pretty good Discovery imitations.

But live, it's much better.

― Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe of all the albums Dan posted Chaki has picked the Photek one out for criticism! What DnB DO you like tho Chaki?

― blueski, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd only listen to half the tracks on both Homework and Discovery now. did anyone here buy the Daft Punk 'greatest hits'? maybe i should buy it cheap just for 'Musique' and those remixes.

― blueski, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

hey is the song with robert owens on that photek album? that song is great

― deej, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

no that's on 'Solaris'

― blueski, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i picked on photek cuz the dude gives me douche chills.
http://www.kaostheorydnb.com/Dowlz/Artists/Other/Photek_small.JPG

vs

http://www.fnacmusic.com/Images/artiste/daft_punk.jpg

― chaki, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

That red jacket is nothing short of 200% awesome.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Photek is HyPhY now.

― Belisarius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

also making mediocre video game scores.

― chaki, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Daft Punk totally wins the style wars! I don't think that was ever in question!

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

digital love
aerodynamic
harder better faster stronger
something about us
too long
one more time

fucking classic

― gman, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't actually love any daft punk song apart from 'da funk'...i like a fair few but i never got the love.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Daft Punk's Discovery better than most or almost all of the albums Dan lists, but mainly cos it is 100 percent what it is, pop music, rather than weak ass techno! plus here's guy from the Verve...etc etc.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i've just realised that my feelings towards daft punk = my feelings towards simian mobile disco, really!

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

all of Dan's choices are pretty old! it's become more difficult for me to retain enthusiasm for many of the ones i loved at the time to the extent where i'd agree they were somehow 'better' than Discovery which is really not that great an album in the end, just a great great idea or bunch of ideas.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Ronan is right, the rest of you are wrong.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

best dance albums of THIS decade:

pop choice = Rooty, Since I Left You (it's got enough danceable bits!)

unpop choice = well everyone seems to agree that unpop and scene dance doesn't lend itself to the album format full stop, despite great 90s works like several Detroit albums or the brown album or 'Pansoul' if you like those kinds of things, different as they all are in turn. their existence means i don't buy the 'not an album genre' argument, but i'll have to think more about great 00s albums from more 'underground' artists all the same...

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Every pre-Boss Drum Shamen album

I listened to En-tact for the first time in years last week, and fuck me that is a great album. I suspect that if Will Sinott hadn't died in '91 they'd have become the big crossover act to emerge from acid house instead of being remembered as a dodgy novelty act.

― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

rooty is like the worst b jaxx album!*

best dance albums of 00s, um, ok cowboy, thrills and orchestra of bubbles, kittenz and thee glitz...

*apart from last year's offering which i have forgotten about already HURRAH

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

also can I just complain about that silly youtube video with all the daft punk samples in it....and the fact that I've seen it posted on blogs about a zillion times, only for Daft Punk indies to be like "OMG THEY COPIED THESE SONGS, HOW DO I SHOT POSTMODERNISM"

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think OK Cowboy is an amazing album. It is very good but his power had diminished by the time it came out.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM x 2

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

those people do not deserve Daft Punk

OK Cowboy probably sounded really great to a lot of people not already familiar with half the tracks tho (there must've been SOME!)

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, see, that would have been me

― river wolf, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't hear it as "pop", I hear it as soul/r&b/disco loops. Unless you're saying that the pop umbrella includes soul/r&b/disco... but then why wouldn't it include techno/house?

Ah... ILM. The only place in the world where I would spend 30 seconds contemplating such insignificance.

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The point of calling Discovery "pop" is that the key numbers use a "song" form, rather than a "track" form, regardless of what genre touchstones those songs have.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't differentiate between "songs" or "tracks", but I think you're trying to say it's pop because it has vocals arranged in verses/choruses? :-?

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, basically. (Although most of the song structures are a bit more liberal than that.) Also, the general focus on melody and that most of the numbers are designed to stand on their own, as opposed to as a cog in a DJ mix.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The only track on Discovery I think I'd really like to hear again is "Veridis Quo"

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah "Veridis Quo" is my fave track as well. But I love the whole record...

― The Brainwasher, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

alright, why exactly do dance albums NEED separating into pop and unpop again?

Do rock peoples really go well "Loveless" was a good album but y'know, bit "scene" isn't it?

I mean Vocalcity or something might not have sold a ton compared to say, Vitalic's record but is that SO much less important if the influence of both has been felt a bit wider eventually?

What about people whose first albums were 'scene' but broke wider as they went on? Isolee, Ellen Allien, Ricardo Villalobos (well, album/ep/single is a bit blurred there...) etc?

― fandango, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

This easily remains one of the 10 greatest albums ever. I still listen to it regularly and I still hear pieces of it played out often (like almost every time I go out).

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Daft Punk are "pop" in the sense that they had big chart hits - fandango none of the artists you mention would likely be known to someone who doesn't have at least a basic working knowledge of contemporary dance music.

Discovery is a brilliant album, possibly the best of the decade so far (though there's tough competition).

― Tim F, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

there aren't many other ilm-friendly dance acts who really qualify as pop in that sense. basement jaxx, definitely, and then we head into groove armada territory.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean, this decade, obv

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

possibly the best of the decade so far (though there's tough competition).

Blueprint? Since I Left You?

― groovemaaan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, that wasn't really what I was trying to say... maybe I missed the real start of this thread sidetrack?

Just thinking isn't it a bit odd the way "best dance albums" are always weighted in favour, almost required to have had mega or at least modest chart success to be thought of as eligible? It just seems like this isn't the way it works in not-dance (though you could assume it's the same at first look) and maybe it's a part of the reason people assume dance is "bad at albums"?

probably this would be better on another thread, carry on....

― fandango, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

you could easily make a big thing out a similar divide in rock tho - best pop rock album vs best alt rock album...if you want to rank at all (and many do).

what elevates 'Discovery' above several other albums by dance producers/DJs who became pop stars in the same way DP did? on paper maybe the concept and ambition/audacity of Discovery counts for a lot in people's minds...maybe even it's relative simplicity compared to those other albums (taking Rooty and SILY as examples again), the production ethos and style of songs is a virtue for many too. others would dismiss this as too dull too often (talking about some of the non-singles here). people talk about it as if everything on it is utterly amazing tho which i've never understood. makes me want to start a thread on what actualy makes an album great tho i'm sure several already exist.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

so much of my love and enjoyment of 'Discovery' was based on the initial excitement and reaction to when it was released. "Hey it's Daft Punk! And they're doing something!" type thing. I wouldn't say it clouded judgement as such because I was a bit disappointed with half the album from the start really, it's just that the other half was so good that it didn't sem to matter. if anything my judgement is clouded now because i rarely listen to albums in sequence these days whereas i still did that in 2001.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

this assumption that daft punk were some massive populist singles act was making me suspicious (i don't remember them like this apart from 'da funk'!) and they've only had four top 20 hits. three of which i actively dislike, too.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i never expected them to become as big as they have. 'homework' going into the album chart top ten on first week of release was a huge shock, even in those heady 'electronica' days.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"discovery" is pretty dope but it sure as fuck isn't this unassailable pinnacle of dance music. it merely holds its own against a whole lot of other great albums of a similar ilk.

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

you could easily make a big thing out a similar divide in rock tho - best pop rock album vs best alt rock album...if you want to rank at all (and many do).

-- blueski

I guess what I'm getting at is a lot of albums in the not-dance canon that start out (arguably) "alternative" end up thought of as big & important eventually (again I'm thinking "Loveless" here) but I get the idea people making dance lists don't ever get to reach this point, 'cos of something in the way all this stuff works.

I dunno, perhaps this is all utterly beyond obvious. But it does feel like alt-dance (really, lets) simply doesn't have the same opportunities to usurp the mainstream anymore (unlike the 90s). Any that's why the Chemical "is this getting old yet" Brothers are still going, maybe.

What I'm trying to get at here feels vague as fuck... never mind.

― fandango, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Daft Punk always had a little bit of rock press love, and the videos... it's not hard to grasp how it went beyond just having a few Top 40 hits!

― fandango, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ANY1 LIKE FATBOY SLIM? BIG BEAT LOL

― Belisarius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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