The only thing that makes me feel 1/4 of the way bettr about the Vols losing and the Tight Titans HANDING New England an easy victory is that the Redskins lost - to another NFC East team! You know, the division they run? Oops, my bad... the division they USED TO RUN? Now DallASS is on top of the division and that's a guaranteed L for the Redskins. The Redskins are second, technically, with ferocious Ls to the two teams they're supposedly ahead of. Wack ass Redskins.
I'm out like the Vols from the top ten (DAMMIT!). Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Sunday, 5 October 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)
ps Yeah Hill, my boys lost and our STORM on top was short like short people, but we'll be back, Jack.
― Qoolout, Monday, 6 October 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)
Your light rain shower in the middle is still going on, son. And who you calling Jack??? Who you think you is, muphukin Ron O'Neal??? lol Dude, the Redskins haven't beaten anybody good! They got lucky against the Pats and choked against the Eagles. And who cares about the 0-4 Jets and Vickless Falcons. You're 0-2 in your division with a guaranteed L comin from DallASS!
I'll accept your challenge to go find where you said that Outkast wasn't hip-hop, if YOU accept MY challenge of finding where I said that you did! If you go back, you should see that I said...
"Ok, you didn't say that Outkast isn't it hip-hop; however, you said you can't see what Andre 3000 has done for hip hop." - H3K on 10/5/03
My only point was that just because you don't personally like a group doesn't mean you can ignore their accomplishments. At least, that's not a legitamate reason.
I told you and everybody in this thread that this album was not the album you should listen to if you're trying to discover Outkast. You have to know their progression from album to album to understand where Andre 3000 and Big Boi are going with Speakerboxxx/Love Below. I can honestly say that I enjoy "Hey Ya" as a video and a song. But that's because I know Andre 3000 and I know that'll he'll come with some off the wall stuff, but you'll enjoy it if you give it a chance. Which I doubt you did. First off, the video is lovely. It's set in the 60s and I find it hilarious. It took some creative thinking on his part to do that and he should be congratulated. That song may not fall under your stereotype of hip-hop simply because he doesn't rap, but I see it as a talented hip-hop artist being innovative and taking hip hop further. Lauryn Hill sings on her Miseducation album, but I would consider it a hip hop classic, rather than R&B. And Biggie's "Player Hater" is definitely a HIP-HOP classic. The other Outkast song is "The Way You Move" and if you don't like that song, I don't know what to tell you. The beat is tight, the rapping is tight, the hook is tight... if you don't like that song you just don't like Outkast and you might as well stop forcing yourself to try and see why everyone else does. Of course, you do refer to them as "clowns" whose songs are "BS" but if everyone likes them, wouldn't that make YOU a "clown" whose opinion is "BS???" Just a though...
Clothes have nothing to do with what makes hip hop. Rocawear and Sean John are clothes fashioned out of hip hop, true, but they're not much different from Hilfiger, Raulph Lauren, Nautica, etc. They don't make hip hop because the clothes worn by Run DMC in the 80s resemble nothing Jada and Jay wear, but they are all hip hop styles that changed with the times. And since you even admit that you'd like Pac and Jada if they wore the same clothes as Andre 3000, then you admit that the clothing is irrelvant. Of course, your point that you wouldn't like Pac or Jada if they RAPPED like Outkast, while amusing, was a redundant understatement. Kind of like the term "redundant understatement..."
I'll tell you now that you can't make a case for the NFL's best player, because there's no such player. At least not one with a reasonable argument. There's too many elements that go into winning football and no one player can be part of more than 50% of those elements. I'm warnin you, young, don't bring that argument up in here, up in here...
And while we're on football, what's up with Rush Limbaugh's bogus comments on McNabb? Of all the black QBs he picked, he chooses McNabb? Please! I agree that the Eagles had most of their success due to their defense, which is why they won with Detmer and Feely. But McNabb is a raw quarterback who can make plays with his arm and leg. I think his assessment (which if you didn't know, was that McNabb isn't really that good, but the media wants a black quarterback to succeed so they give McNabb credit for the Eagles' success when it's really only the defense) was legitimate, but there was no need to bring up McNabb's race. The media's desire to see a black quarterback succeed is some nonsense. About as much nonsense that the Redskins are the class of the NFC East. Those gays.
I'm out like Rush Limbaugh. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)
And about Busta... When you mentioned that Pass the C was about nonsense, I laughed and totally agreed with you. That song's lyrical value is trash times 3 million. If them ain't the two non rappinest, same ole hook singinist niggas in rap, I don't know who is. But doesn't Diddy write checks, not rhymes? Point being, them niggas lyrically suck, but that hook was tight and the song and video are hilarious. See, when you hear wack lyrics, you get disgusted. When I hear them, I laugh. I guess that's why me and other folks can enjoy Busta or Missy or 90% of DA SOUTH. Not everybody tries with their raps, which is why they can write them in 10 minutes. A lot of rappers/entertainers are going for tight beats and nice videos. And I can dig that as long as I am entertained or amused. That Pass the C video is hilarious. Monique as Della Reese in Harlem Nights had me rollin. I'm 90% sure you've seen Harlem Nights and find it funny when Eddie Murphy and Della Reese were fightin ("Oh you wanna hit people with garbage cans...") and that part in the video was tight. So in short, the son's lyrical value is doo doo, but IMHO the video was good and the beat is straight.
What's folks take on the Clipse? I hated the Grindin beat, but I kind of feel some of their stuff after that. Hell, Malice can almost pass as a poor man's Jadakiss on a lot of they stuff.
"Freestyle King my ass!" LOL!
I'm out like of bounds regarding Pat Ramsey's 2 pt. conversion pass to Lavern and Shirley Coleslaw. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Tuesday, 7 October 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)
Qoolout, again, I accept your challenge:
"Lastly, S Clover, if Dre from Outkast does have something to do with hip-hop I'm missin' it, but hip-hop embraces him for some reason." - QS on 12/30/03
I may have mixed up the words but I kept the gist of what you were saying. Now, I wanna know what Outkast fans you know that said "The Way You Move" wasn't tight! What, one Kast fan didn't like it so you embellished it to be "fans?" Cause all the fans I know - i.e. at least 10 - like it a lot. And I know more than 10 people in general like it. The song is good - maybe YOU don't like it, or 2 other people you know, but the song is tight. Second, your skill of making things seem a certain way don't work on me cause I see what you're doing. You can explain why you think clothes are a part of hip hop all you want; you're missing my point (or pretending to in order to change the subject). My point was only that Andre 3000's clothes have no bearing on why he is or isn't hip hop or if his music is or isn't tight. Now, you can ramble on and on about Sean John and FUBU and whatever til the proverbial cows come home. But your smokescreen is futile. My point was clothes don't determine if a rapper is tight - i.e. you'd like Pac or Jada in Andre 3000's clothes. In fact, you'd probably go out and buy some then! Or probably not...
Dude, I ain't tryin to hear your contradictory self talk about my judgement of music. Supposedly a song has to have a point to entertain you but you're a huge Jadakiss fan - Mr. Absolutely No Point himself. Well, actually, he has one point. D-Block is so tough thanks to Jada's ill flow and deftness with a gun. Now, I'm a Jadakiss fan because his metaphors and wordplay are ill, but let's not say he has a point. And then you liked Puffy and Scarface? Them niggas got no lyrical skills and no points! And you said "Pass the C" ain't good so therefore it isn't? Negro, please! Be honest and you know the majority of hip hop fans enjoyed the song and the video. I don't give a song a "free pass" if the video makes me laugh. I give it a free pass if I enjoy the production and Pass the C was one of the Neptunes' better beats. All I'm sayin is if you judge the song purely on lyrics then it's wack, but I don't think Puffy and Busta sat down and said, "These lyrics are tight" when they made the song. They probably said, "Let's bank off our star power and this tight Neptunes beat." And they did. Just because YOU expect a song to have ill lyrics EVERY TIME doesn't mean that the rest of hip hop fans have to rely on that narrow minded view! We can enjoy a beat, we can enjoy jokes, we can enjoy other things. And how is it that you can expand hip hop to find a way to diss Outkast, but throw that same expansion out for "Hey Ya?" If hip hop isn't just singing and rapping, why does the fact that Andre doesn't rap relevant? Well, it's not! Don't be bringing clothes and all this oter nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with music into a debate, but then convenienty forget it when that same nonsense works against you. "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song because it's a hip hop artist who made the song in the general style of hip hop. We'll have to agree to disagree about Lauryn's album. My judgement of music stays consistent with what I have previously said (i.e. a fan of production), while you supposedly need relevant points or tight lyrics or blah, blah, but don't like Kast, like Scarface, don't like Reasonable Doubt, like Puffy, like Jadakiss, don't like Ready to Die... Ahem. Where's the consistency?
In the future, bamma, if you're gonna try and bring up past events against me, make sure that you try not to do so solely based on memory because your memory is obviously not that good. I didn't miss the shot for Ether. I made it, but the dude on my team called a TO right before I hit it and we ain't have none; thus a technical preceded our ferocious L. Now, you on the other hand, have bowed out of tournaments with Team 3 and them other cats you lost with last summer fair and square. Ahem...
And another thing, you're right I don't care about flash. I like players like Shaq and Jordan because they dominate(d) when they want(ed) to and impose(d) their will at will. I like T-Mac because he carries a sorry team and constantly beats double teams. I don't care how. I like AI, not because he has a vicious cross or a nice J, but because he's 150 lbs, takes a beating when he scores 25 points against bigger, stronger giants and still gets back and plays ferocious D. I like versatile players like KG, Dirk, or Sheed because they have outside skills and a tough inside presence. You just like guards.
If you're not a clown with a BS opinion, just someone with different taste, then Outkast aren't clowns making BS - which you have referred to them as. They just have different taste.
Stop with this "best NFL player" nonsense.
Luda's new album came out. Well, I like it. Am I the only one? Probably not. Am I th only one in this thread? Probably.
Is this board dying again?
I'm out like all them folks that was just here a couple days ago. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Lastly, When Deion was with ATL and maybe for the year when San Fran won it all, he IN MY EYES, was the best player. He shut down his side onf the field as a back. He returned Punts and kickoffs ( I think his yardage record in ATL still stands) and cuz played wideout, and was better than any of the other wideouts. And If you recall, whenever the falcons got a pick, WHENEVER, they would pitch it around until they got the ball to him. On offense you knew he was getting it and they still could not stop it, kinda like Randy. Dag I gotta go
― Qoolout, Wednesday, 8 October 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)
See, that quote was not picked at random. I'm bout to show folks that my debate skills are way strong. Minus the Now and Later gators...
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you keep implying that I said that you said Outkast wasn't hip hop (he said she said we sad they said). What do you mean you knew you didn't say it?! I told you that you didn't say it! TWICE!!! Did you not gather that I was agreeing with you? Is this some slick Qoolout debate trick? I thought I was clear about the issue, but honestly, I think it IS some slick Qoolout debate trick.
"I can't really define hip hop but I know it's based on not just music and rap, but on the way we/they talk and yes even dress. That's why I dissed those so called clothes that cuz from Kast wears. But hey, maybe that bamma dressing is a part of hip hop..." - QS on 10/1/03
Now, I don't have the luxury of actually discussing what you meant or may have meant from that statement in real time so I could only try and find the meaning based on the context clues. Based on thoseclues, it seemed TO ME that you were implying that clothes could be a deciding factor on whether or not one is hip hop. I disagree. Now, it seems like maybe you were dissing their clothes and that was it. But like I said, the context clues point to something different. And if you're HONEST with yourself, you can reread that paragraph and realize that 9 out of 10 people would make the same connection, especially with how you have been dissing Outkast in general.
Again, it looks like we agree on something. Will Smith has done a lot of comedy, but not all movies he has been in are comedies. And if Pac went to Spain and did an opera, it wouldn't be hip hop. Now, if Beyonce did it, it would be a hip hopera... LMAO!!! Anyway, I said nothing REMOTELY close to that STUPID logic. All I said was that "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song. I said that it was a hip hop artist who did a song in the general style of hip hop. I compare Hey Ya to Biggie's Playa Hater. Big sings the whole time, but that is a classic HIP HOP song because he is not to be taken seriously for his singing, the subject is not to be taken in the context of R&B, and it was a hip hop artist bringing something new to hip hop. And TO ME, that's all "Hey Ya" is. A hip hop artist expanding on hip hop and doing a hip hop song. You said hip hop is more than "rapping and singing," but you try and dissmiss Hey Ya as not a hip hop song because "cuz doesn't even rap." So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them. That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me. I agree that hip hop isn't just music. It is slang, dances, and a whole lot of other stuff. I disagree with anyone who says clothes determine a hip hop artist or that certain clothes aren't hip hop just because he/she doesn't like said clothes.
Most people I know did like Pass the C, but that's irrelevant. I'd bet that the # of people who like is bigger than the # who disliked it, simply based on the airplay and billboard success.
I still think your best player argument is wrong, but at least you picked Deion. Deion definitely was a shut down corner with mad return skills, who could play wideout. But Deion was a good athlete so he could probably function as a 3rd option.However, Deion wasn't the only one who could do that. Plus Rice was in his prime (which is the one receiver he couldn't shut down), and so was Rod Woodson. Woodson was also as dangerous a return man as Deion. Deion was probably the better corner, but overall player? I don't know. Barry Sanders was also in his prime and he probably could have returned punts or kickoffs better. And even in mentioning all those players, I don't believe a strong enough argument can be made for Deion simply because in football there are too many different positions and skills to determine what makes who better. Deion was one of few who had the chance to play both ways, but most players in the league played both ways in their career, even if it was as far back as high school. I'd bet that Sanders could have been a good corner or Woodson could have been a good back, but in football there's no real need for someone to play both ways. Warren Sapp could probably play tight end, or offensive line, maybe even fullback. I hardly think Sapp is the best player in the league. Jevon Kearse or Derrick Brooks have the skills to do more than just play on defense. Brooks and Kearse could probably switch or even play in the secondary with their speed and strength. I don't think they're any better or worse than Sapp, just different. Unlike basketball, football has too many different positions and skill needs to say one skill is better than the other. Of course, since you're blinded by flash and Deion did play for the most overpaid, underachieving team that happened to be the Redskins, I see why that would fool you.
My memory is fine. Again, check yours.
"...look at Busa Bus. I'm not feeling him or Missy because of the actual words that are in the raps that they spit. It sounds like they just sat down and wrote the songs in like ten mintues and then it gets all kinds of radio play. That's why I hate his and her "raps." Seemingly, they took NO time in the "writing" part, and as a writer myself, that is what irks me the most." - QS on 10/1/03
So again, one can conclude from this statement, as well as your disdain for Outkast, that you DON'T just put an emphasis on simply the point. Of course, if that's not what you meant, you should work on explainin yourself better, Lucy!
I respect Scarface but his lyrical prowress is iffy. Go review YOUR history. And Jada rarely gets deep. And his songs do have a point. It's just the same exact point. D-Block this, ill flow that, I gotta gat, gun, glock, tec, mac, 9 milli, nina, hammer, biscuit, pistol, etc.
"I knew I didn't say he wasn't hip-hop..." lol Who are you trying to convince? Me? Or yourself?
I'm out like Lucille Ball. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm all that, & then some/Short dark & Handsome/Bust a nut inside your eye, to show you where I Come(CUM) from// --Phife (A Tribe Called Quest)
To be Hip-Hop, or not to be Hip-Hop... That is the question? Let me try to bring at least some clarity to this topic. Hip-Hop in its self is a spawned creation from R&B and other forms. It's no coincidence that even today with acts like Ja Rule, Lauren Hill, or Snoop. That barrier is jumped back and forth, from song to song. We could figure out some way to mesh music together, such as the examples Qool gave. Pretty much what I am saying, its really pointless to argue over categorization, cause one person will see it as Hip-Hop, another would see it as R&B. Besides that point, Hip-Hop isn't really a defining creation of its self. There is not a tried & true Hip-Hop sound. Think about it? You got all these damn categories now, Gangster, Hardcore, Acid (Yes Acid), R&B/Hip-Hop, Alt. Rap, Gospel Rap etc. Try to guess one of the first commercially successful rap songs?? Can't figure it out? It's a song called Rapture by Blonde, who was a well known 70/80's Pop group. The point is the barriers are unlimited, no matter which way you turn it. Hip-Hop embodies all music forms, there is no true Hip-Hop sound. Cypress Hill - Rock, Insane Clown Posse - Acid Rock, Lauren Hill - R&B/Hip-Hop, Eyedea - Alt. Rap, Atmosphere - Emotion Rap... I could go on for days, and I haven't even scratch the surface yet.
Moving on, to this sports thing. I agree with Hillis saying Miami is not the true #1, I don't think anyone would disagree with you. Not even myself being a Hurricane fan. With Gore out, and my boys FSU this week. It's not looking good at all. If they lose at FSU on Saturday, they not only get a L (Which kills a chance at the national championship). But they got Tennessee, I think November 8th. If they receive 2 L's this season that's gonna probably knock them out of the BCS Bowls, which means that top dollar money won't be going to the ACC next year. Nevertheless the season is shaping out to look like FSU vs. Oklahoma a rematch of the 2001 Orange Bowl, in the Sugar Bowl this year. I got my shotgun ready, loaded with my illegal hollow tip point, Rhino cop killer bullets ready to be fired at random on the Oklahoma Sooner football team as they enter the Louisiana Superdome... **Cough**But you didn't hear that from me**Cough** lol, just kidding.
Qool, you asked why ESPN hired Rush. Jimmy Johnson said it best... Controversy. They wanted him to say outrageous stuff such as that. You look at these news shows now. They mostly consist of these right wing conservative dick suckers to the republican party. and, since when has the republican party cared for black people, or better yet minorities for that matter. You don't have to answer that, cause we can all see what they are trying to do with Affirmative action. But anyways, back to Rush. I mean look at that whole set up, and it proves my point they was begging for attention. One White guy spiting opinions to two black guys??? LOL. That's about as colorful as this message board webpage... Black & White.
I'll get to that Clipse discussion later Hill.
Fast Shouts out to J-Dolomite, Macka, Qool, Hill, and all the newbies...What UP!
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Thursday, 9 October 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Oh so you wanna call people liars, huh? You done accused me of stealin before, but the only thing I'm stealin today is yo face... in relation to debate...
First of all, what debate skills have you exhibited? Other than rambling on about things I didn't even say, you've done nothing but... well... ramble on about things I didn't even say! Are you stuck on stupid? I never said you said Outkast wasn't hip hop. I cannot stress that enough and I don't know why you keep defending yourself about that. I never said you judged Outkast off of their clothes. I cannot stress that enough. I said that it seems like you judged them off the two songs you may have heard on the radio and their clothing, because you mentioned their clothing when you said you didn't like them. Key word being "seems." If you don't know what it means, then I suggest you grab a dictionary. I have never accused you of anything or come out and said "You said XYZ." You can defend yourself about all these statements you may think I have said, but unlike me, you have not gone back and quoted me ONCE! If I said all this blah, blah, blah, go find it and re post it. Prove yourself!Otherwise, realize that your debate skills, or lack thereof, have left you grabbing at absolutely nothing!
Second, the two strongest "points" are arguably against the WEAKEST topics! You gonna question whether or not I did a hypothetical poll?! Are you serious?! I'm gonna concede that this is stupid to go back and forth about, but I will humor you. How do you know I didn't take a poll? How do you know that I didn't get 100 random people to review the thread and that 90 of them agreed with my assessment of your statement? The other "point" was that you defended not picking Deion because he played for the Skinnies. Nigga, I knew that! I was joking! So you're right, there's no way Deion being in DC influenced you... bamma.
Third, let's go back to your wack ass argument. Or jibberish. You ramble on and say "Again, I'll go back to the poll you didn't take (as far as I know) about your 9 out of 10 people. You can't tell me that there are more people who liked "Pass the C" then those who ain't like it because of radio play (you took know poll). If I did go by that, I would tell you that MOST of the radio stations in the world don't even play hip-hop. Thus, by your logic and by the truth, most people in the world never even heard “Pass the C”; and I say lucky them!" - QS on 10/9/03... I'm gonna be real honest; while I was amused, I have no idea where you were going with that. I don't see how it enhances or hurts your argument, and I also fail to see how it is relevant to anything we have said. If they haven't heard it, how can that point/fact hurt me and help you or vice versa? Please. Explain.
Fourth, I did not say you believe Hey Ya is not hip hop because you don't like Outkast. Honestly, All I pointed out is that you said hip hop is more than singing and rapping. You did say that. I won't post it yet, but you did say that. You also said that Hey Ya is not a hip hop song because "cuz does not rap." You said that. I put it in quotes because I am quoting you and you did say that. So all I'm asking is WHY you feel justified in making the two contradictory statements? If you don't feel Hey Ya is hip hop then that's fine. But "cuz does not rap" is not going to be a valid response when you just said "hip hop is more than just singing and rapping." And Qoolout, you will never find anything I posted that is even remotely close to me saying that Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever find that... ok?
Finally, I am also telling you that you are absolutely wrong when you say that Missy and Busta's songs have no point. "Pass the C" has no point. "Work It" has no point. But you are just plain wrong if you say Missy and Busta never have a point. You're still wrong if you say they rarely have a point. They may not be deep points, but their points aren't any less vague and cliched than J to the Mwa, Kiss of Death, D-Block, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I am not hating on Jadakiss. I couldn't care less if Jadakiss never had a point again in another song. As long as he keeps spittin them ill (just like Will was) metaphors and using exceptional wordplay, I'll remain a fan.
Now, I'm not gonna say that your Deion argument was eack, but I still disagree. I'll admit I was impressed that you thought of Primetime because I couldn't think of anyone you could have made a good case for other than maybe Vick or even Derrick Brooks. Hell, a valid case could be made for ya boy Champ Bailey. I also disagree that you said Sapp ain't dangerous at TE. Hopefully you "meant" that Sapp isn't a serious pass catching threat. I'm not saying that's what you meant so don't start rambling about what you didn't say about Sapp. All I'm saying is that Sapp is dangerous at TE in blocking situations and possibly 4-6 yd pass routes. His strength, tenacity, and aligity plus his knowledge from the defensive side would probably make him one of the best, if not the best, blocking tight end in football. So Sapp culd be dangerous at TE if used correctly. I mean, I ain't tryin to watch slow ass Sapp run no 20 minute 10 yard out. I will watch him score and laugh while he bounces like Beyonce. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, oh, no, no... lol
In all this razzle dazzle, why aren't we discussin the Kobe case? Do y'all think he did it? Or is he is innocent? Is it right we still don't officially know her name. Will he get convicted? Will th Lakers do the damn thing? We shall see...
I'm out like that girl's name from the Kobe case still isn't. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Saturday, 11 October 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I had to start a new paragraph for this section. Save the best for last. Hillis, do you remember when you typed "Qoolout, you will never find anything I posted that is even remotely close to me saying that Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever find that... ok?"? I was shocked, stunned and surprised. I was like, maybe I am seriously having memory problems because I could have sworn you said something at least remotely close to that. So I was all set to say my bad and admit that you were correct, when I scrolled up to Oct 8, 2003 once again. Dag, you were talking some nonsense on that day. On that day you posted "Hey Ya" is a hip hop song because it's a hip hop artist who made the song in the general style of hip hop. Okay, I'm not even gonna call you a lair for that. I'ma go ahead and say you made a mistake. Surly you either didn't mean to type this or you had forgotten you typed it. But the sad truth is YOU typed it. I guess never came sooner than you realized. I am literally jumping up and down like a six year old on Christmas Eve awaiting your reply to this disdainful news. I mean if you would have never said this nonsense then you'd have a point, but for some reason you did. You really did say it. Checkmate. I'm out like your creditability.
― Qoolout, Sunday, 12 October 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Look at this bamma callin checkmate when my king is safely guarded by my rook and my bishop while my queen is wrecking shop on his pawns and knights! I bet he thinks football games are over in the 3rd quarter... bamma.
I'll give you your props. You almost had me. Almost. You came closer than Best or Rob or any poor sap who had the nerve to challenge me in a debate of facts and not opinion. But you still fail miserably. This is what I said:
"You said hip hop is more than "rapping and singing," but you try and dismiss Hey Ya as not a hip hop song because "cuz doesn't even rap." So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them. That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." - H3K on 10/8/03
Hold up! It looks like you forgot to post the sentence following it! I said that seems to be your argument! Key word being "seems!" You tried real hard and thought I wouldn't notice, but dude, I'm just too nice with my debate skills. So again, I did NOT accuse you of anything. I just told you how it looked to me. Honestly, I DO think that the only reason you say Hey Ya isn't hip hop is because you don't like Outkast. Now, if I'm wrong about what it seems like, fine. But I'm not saying that I have found irrefutable evidence to any effect so you are wrong. Absolutely wrong. Again. Honestly, I DO think that the only reason you say Hey Ya isn't hip hop is because you don't like Outkast. And if you say that's not true, I won't believe you. So now, I AM accusing you of only saying Hey Ya isn't hip hop simply because you don't like Outkast. The accusation is now official. Based on your posts, I can't see how it's any other way! I may be wrong, but I don't believe I am. Any explanation you give, I won't believe, simply based on your other posts. But next time you post something of mine, make sure you don't try and be slick and leave out a crucial part to help your vicious lies. Vicious, vicious lies...
I'm bout to break numerous copyright laws here, but FUCK OUTTA HERE with this HORRIBLE ass recant of why you said Hey Ya ain't hip hop!!! What in the hell??? Dude, that was plain pathetic! So let me get this straight. You saying Hey Ya ain't hip hop followed directly by cuz does not rap and cuz does not spit one verse are not all directly connected??? LMAO! Ok, fine. I'll accept it. So you say Hey Ya ain't hip hop, and that's it? No reason? No points? No facts? All you could muster up was "Hey Ya is not hip hop?" LMAO! That's even worse! This is another reason why I am now officially accusing you of saying Hey Ya ain't hip hop because you don't like Kast! What makes you think that you can get away with calling a song not hip hop and have absolutely no valid reason for doing so? You're joking, right?! I know you're trying to save yourself for DOUBLE TALKIN about Kast, but that was a weak move! So can you explain why Hey Ya isn't hip hop to you? Because just sayin Hey Ya ain't hip hop isn't gonna cut it! Maybe in the Foolout School for Wack Ass Debate Tactics that garbage flies with an A+, but in real debate you have to have something to back up your statements - no matter how INCORRECT they are... lol I guess in the Foolout School for Incoherent Babble one could say, "I don't like Asians. Asians killed my parents." and then later say, "Oh, the fact that they killed my parents is not why I don't like Asians!" LMAO! As a journalism/english/clown major you're supposed to know better than to write in a manner that is vague and ambiguous! If I took another one of my famous polls, I bet at first glance 10 out of 10 people would make the same conclusion about your two "different" sentences! lol
The people in my polls don't post because they're too busy laughing at your terrible debate skills... lol
Again, your strongest "point" comes on the weakest topic. You're claiming that most of the world doesn't like hip hop, so therefore most of the world doesn't like Pass the C. Fine. I thought it was obvious that I was talking within the scope of hip hop fans, but I guess you either missed that, or in some terrible attempt at saving face are trying to discredit the popularity of Pass the C. Fine. So by your STUPID logic, the majority of the world doesn't listen to Jadakiss, so we can assume they don't like Jadakiss, so therefore it can be used to say he is a wack rapper, even though the majority of HIP HOP fans feel Jadakiss. And for for the record, your current explanation doesn't follow along with your original statement. Your original statement was that the majority of the world hasn't heard Pass the C. Your recent statement is that the majority of the world doesn't hear hip hop, so they must not like it, so they must not like Pass the C (again, STUPID logic). Whether or not they do or do not play hip hop in Iraq, Egypt, Japan, etc. if they haven't heard the song, your point is invalid. If they haven't heard it, how can you say they don't like it??? You can ASSume all you want that they don't like hip hop, but your "point" doesn't help your case. In fact, it's stupid! Remember the classic "Green Eggs and Ham?" Homeboy said he didn't like green eggs and ham, but had actually never tried them. But when he did try them, he liked them. Or ever see Pulp Fiction? Samuel L said, "A sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafucka." So until they've actually heard Pass the C, you cannot say they don't like it.
Ok, Qoolout, I know you like to flatter yourself, but you need to realize that you were NOT the only one who dissed Outkast. Someone else dissed them, too. Did you ever think I was looking for someone else's opinion other than yours? Maybe you only read my posts, and if so, then I'm flattered. But please don't think that your posts are the only one I read and respond to. When I was asking about hip hop, I was responding to you, Trife, H*WOOD, Sterling Clover, and really, just about a rap topic in general. And yeah, I responded to you when you said that you never said Outkast wasn't hip hop. I agree and still agree that you never said that. I then proceeeded to talk about a totally different statement of yours. I apologize if you felt the need to defend yourself on not saying Outkast isn't hip hop, but it was unnecessary because I NEVER tried to make that point against you specifically.
You're still wrong about Missy and Busta. Posting 5 songs when they've made 4 or 5 albums each is not gonna cut it like your wack ass Hey Ya isn't hip hop statement. "Eack" is a cross between weak and wack - without the "w"... And yeah, you can like Rodman, but I made that guard statement cause you made that little statement about me only likin folks with no skill that can only dunk. You ain't slick, negro...
Regarding the Kobe case, of course we would feel different if that were our daughter/sister/mother or anyone in our family. But what if Kobe was our brother/father/son? How is it fair that this girl can anonymously drag Kobe's name through the mud, and we still don't know if he's guilty? I'm not saying she's lying, but if you're in Kobe's family, you probably believe him, so you probably don't think it's fair that she can remain anonymous since she is over 18. I tend to agree. If you're going to make a claim against someone that could ruin his/her career, marriage, and put him/her in jail for life, you shouldn't be able to hide because you're the alleged victim. Now, I also agree that if it's supposed to be kept anonymous that a paper that prints her name should be banned or whatever it is they do to newspapers for violating journalistic integrity. Of course, it is kind of funny that you feel that way when you have violated all types of journalistic integrity in your debate against me... lol
I'll save the best for last, too. I don't know why you're anticipating my reply like a 6 year old on Christmas Eve! You should be running like a 6 year old from the Boogie Man. Like I said, and still say, I never said anything REMOTELY close to Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it's by a hip hop artist. I said, and still say, Hey Ya is hip hop because it was done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop. And I went on to explain this by comparing it to Biggie's Playa Hater. You keep conveniently ignoring this comparison, probably because you know I'm right. Just like I agreed that if Pac sang in the opera, it wouldn't be hip hop simply because Pac is a hip hop artist, it would be an opera. But if Pac did a song about ridin on Bad Boy and he sang the whole time and his singing was bad, but the beat was a hip hop beat and you knew Pac was having fun and not taking his singing serious, THEN that song would be hip hop. I'll tell you now that being a hip hop artist does not presuppose (is that word too big?) that a song by that artist is hip hop, BUT it can be part of a reason why it is hip hop. Key phrase: "can be part." As in, not the entire reason, but part. Part! (is that word too big?) Usually, if Jay-Z, Nas, 2Pac, BIG, Snoop, Eminem, Outkast, Ludacris, Scarface, Jadakiss, etc. come out with a song, it's usually hip hop. Usually! If Shania Twain and Faith Hill do songs, they're usually country. Usually! So if Shania came out with a song that followed along with the criteria that determine a country song, the fact that she is a country singer would serve to strengthen the argument that the song is country. Outkast being hip hop artists STRENGTHENS my argument that Hey Ya is hip hop. STRENGTHENS! It is NOT the whole argument or the base of my argument as I CLEARLY conveyed by my statement!
There's a song By Eazy-E and Dr. Dre called "Automobile." It is a hip hop classic. In this song, neither Dre nor Eazy rap. They do not spit one verse. They sing over a countryish beat. Still, it is by two hip hop artists made in the general style of hip hop. I doubt any country singer would ever claim the song in their genre. If you've never heard the song, then you may not be able to debate over the point. I challenge you to download it and listen to it, and then come up with an argument that it's not a hip hop song.
Now, you got your wish and I bet it's the proverbial bitter pill to swallow. You tried, but failed. Now, come back with some more nonsense so I can embarass you further... like Tampa Bay embarassed the Redskinnies. Bamma. Out like my credability... Negro, please!
I'm out like the Bucs over Wash(ed up)ington. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Sunday, 12 October 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Sunday, 12 October 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, oh-no no... That one big ass lump of garbo just keeps gettin more ridiculous than the previous. Let me break things down for you.
A) If you wanted "Hey Ya is not a hip hop song" and "Cuz does not rap" to be considered separate, why didn't you include "furthermore" the first time? Or "plus" or "and?" Like I said, you should know better than to write in a vague and ambiguous manner. Your big ass lump paragraph is already a journalistic no no, so how can you sit there and act like it's easy to tell when you decide you want to switch points or go in another direction? Are you sure you got your degree in English? I hope you didn't write your papers with that dumb ass format. Every sentence is not always independent of the following or preceding sentence. Sentences (that's plural) can be used TOGETHER to make up an argument. Otherwise, an argument would be one long run-on sentence, which you should know is a grammatical no no. Check your argument for Deion being the best player in the NFL in his prime. You used about 5 sentences for your argument. Are you seriously saying that every sentence in that paragraph is independent and that they don't actually all tie together? NEGRO PLEASE! "You're a joke!"
B) You're still on that idiotic Iraq, Japan, Egypt mess? Negro, that argument doesn't make sense. If they haven't heard the song, how do you know they don't like it?! I can't believe you're trying to defend that stupidity! And that urine analogy doesn't follow what you're saying about Pass the C. "I would never gulp urine" and "I don't like urine" are two different statements. Urine may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'll never know because I ain't gulpin it. But if you say, "I don't like urine" it means that you HAVE gulped it, and can make a valid assessment. So no, you can't say you don't like urine until you've gulped it. Just like green eggs and ham. You missed the point of that story, huh? Homeboy didn't say, "I do not want green eggs and ham." He said he didn't LIKE them. But he ate them and he DID like them. Homeboy was wrong! Just like you! Wrong, wrong, wrong.
C) If you make a statement that Busta and Missy's songs have no point, all I need to do is mention one song to disprove your statement. I don't care if you go out and post more songs. Gossip Folks by Missy has a point. Pussycat by Missy has a point. I Know What You Want by Busta has a point. Everything Remains Raw by Busta has a point. And I'm not trying to hurt you by "dissing" Jadakiss (did you really post that? lol). I'm just using Jadakiss examples because I know you like him and maybe if you look at the situation through Jadakiss, maybe you'll see the error of your ways. For example, Jadakiss has no point on the Made U Look (remix). Can I use that one verse and say Jadakiss never has a point? No. And you wouldn't let me. So just cause you find a couple of songs where Missy/Busta have no point doesn't make you right. You're just wrong. I'm sorry, but you are!
D) You're still a joke! Again, I'll post what I said. "Hey Ya is a hip hop song because it is done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop." It's one sentence that is connected and you fail to see "in the general style of hip hop." I'll type it again because you seemed to have missed it the 5 other times it was posted. "Hey Ya is a hip hop song because it was done by a hip hop artist in the genral style of hip hop." Again, I want to remind you of the "in the general style of hip hop" part because you keep missing it for some odd reason (cough cough smokescreen cough cough lousy debate skills cough cough)... So again, I didn't say anything remotely close to Hey Ya is hip hop simply because it was done by a hip hop artist. Again, I challenge you to find where I said anything close to that.
E) Since you just came from church, let me drop a little religious knowledge on you. People who have followed your "seperatist sentence" logic have continually misinterpreted the Bible and tried to justify their beliefs, even when they were in direct conflict with other parts of the Bible. There are parts of the Bible which tell "slaves to honor and love their masters" which was used as proof to keep Blacks in slavery. Despite the fact that Jesus and all of the New Testament (as well as the beloved Constitution) would point otherwise, they used that one scripture as "proof."
Those sentences are connected and if you're not bright enough to realize that then I refuse to debate on this topic anymore. Just because you think sentences are always separate doesn't mean it's a grammatical law. Because it is most certainly not! And if you still need further proof, I used "that" in the last sentence, which is a demonstrative pronoun clearly referring to the previous sentence. Bamma.
F) I don't want you to argue against "Automobile" or "Player Hater." I want you to argue against "Hey Ya" which you STILL have not done! Not once yet have you given any reason to why you think Hey Ya isn't hip hop (actually, you did but you're now trying to take it back cause you got caught DOUBLE TALKIN). As far as someone who doesn't know Outkast knowing Hey Ya is hip hop, they might not know! They may sense it through the beat or through Andre's style, but maybe not. Just like if someone didn't know Big or Eazy they might not know Player Hater or Automobile are hip hop and not R&B or country, respectively. But once they heard Outkast, BIG, or Eazy, then they would understand. Now, you go. Why isn't Hey Ya hip hop?
G) I also just thought of another reason your logic is moronic. You say, "Since most stations don't play hip-hop we can assume that most people don't like hip-hop." That's not true at all! Just because 97.3 or WASH might play country does not mean most/all/some/none of the listeners or DJs don't like hip hop. That just means they dedicated the station to country or people who are listening to it want to hear country! You mean to say that all the stations that don't play hip hop must automatically not like it?! HA! Again you are wrong and that's a stupid statement. Most TV stations do not air any form of athletic competition. So by your idiotic logic, that must mean the majority of the world does not enjoy some form of athletic competition! LMAO! You're a joke!
H) Quit flatterin yourself. Face it, you weren't the only one to diss Outkast. Don't feel bad I wasn't directly referring the statement to you. In fact, how bout I take a page from your book of smokescreens and say it was an independent statement that had NOTHING to do with anything anybody said about Outkast? I just happened to mention it at random... lol Nah, I won't get into that tangled web you weave... Go back and look. You weren't the only one who said it, so it wasn't directed specifically to you. Why would I need to be subtle? When have I EVER been subtle? Nigga, if I wanted to accuse you of saying Outkast isn't hip hop, I would have done it! And you know this, so quit actin like I was beatin around the bush with you. Bamma.
I) Last, just because you now say "Cuz does not rap" and "That song (Hey Ya) ain't a hip hop song" weren't related doesn't mean it's true. If I kill somebody, leave my prints on the murder weapon, do it in front of 5 witnesses, have a clear motive, and continuously lie about my alibi, just because I go in the court and plead not guilty doesn't mean I didn't kill dude or will be found innocent. Yeah, nigga, you know better than anybody what you meant. And you know you connected the two. You can lie about it now to save face all you want, "but you and I know what's goin on." You say "That song is not a hip hop song. Cuz does not rap. Nowhere in there does he spit one verse. If you ask me, it sounds more like an R&B joint." Cuz does not rap is surrounded by hip hop and R&B, but according to you, it's not all connected. (Yeah flippin right, lol). So if all that was unconnected, why in the world did you mention cuz does not rap? What was your point? Cuz does not rap, so what? Beyonce doesn't rap. Beyonce doesn't spit one verse. And? So? But you meant, furthermore he does not rap, huh? Why? Why did you mention that? Anybody who heard the song knows he doesn't rap, so you reiterating it is pointless! Anybody who hasn't heard it wouldn't say that mattered before they actually listened to it, so what were you trying to accomplish? You just decided to mention that cuz does not spit one verse, just to type it? LMAO! Get the FUCK OUTTA HERE! You clown...
Man, I'm tired of doin you like LaVar did McCardell, and the Bucs did Wash(ed up)ington! Can't you think of some valid argument without all the nonsense? lol
I'm out like Stephen Davis to a good team. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Monday, 13 October 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
"I know I'm not the richest but I'm richer than ya'll/i'm like a young Wilt Chamberlain, all I do is fuck bitches and ball/"--Banks again.....
The Hurricanes are still undefeated...
"2-Pac is the illest" (Sorry Big)
It does NOT look good for Kobe right now....
My pimp hand IS TOO STRONG......
Roy Jones will beat tarver...
Finally Holyfield got his A-S-S whooped like no one has since Holyfield vs Bowe III
I'm picking Joppy to upset Hopkins (Because I dont like Hopkins)
Big ups to King James
What up fam? Will get back to ya later........
― J-Dolo, Monday, 13 October 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Lastly, I can't believe I like the first 2 verses on Holidae Inn; I'm ashamed to admit it but I do. Now that's a funny song. What does he mean when he says the valet looks like he's in the game and is winning? Okay now I'm out like a lying liar who tells lies and then gets caught, but repeats the lies as if they were the truth.
― Qoolout, Monday, 13 October 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)
I hope the Yankees lose so these bandwagon Yankee fans can start crying.
Barkley is the best PF and NOT Malone (Hope this dont start an arguement)
Made Men (Benzino) and Murda Inc came 2gether to do a song called G-Unit Killas
UConn will win Final Four this year
Canes WILL win the national championships
Remember those Hillis vs Q vs Dolo vs 3:16 vs Best vs Squirrel Police vs wizzard vs Bob vs Rob battles?
A lot of rappers making references to "Juice" characters
Lebron James CAN be a successful point if forced to carry the burden.
"Michael Jackson's album was called 'Bad' cuz he didnt have room on the cover to call it 'pathetic'"----Prince circa '89
"Michael Jordan is God disguised as Michael Jordan"--Bird circa 88
"Iverson doesn't respect the veterans that been here before him"---Jordan circa 96
"On the court, I don't respect ANYONE"---Iverson circa 96
Peace out. One
― J-Dolo, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Hypothetical situation here; if I ever wanted to murk someone for any reason, even one as silly as not realizing a bunch of hitmakers when he sees em, that person would be murked six feet under and pushin up daisies while sleepin with the fishes... lol
Qoolout, I think we're beating a dead horse on a few issues. First of all, I think we both agree that "Hey Ya is hip hop because it is done by a hip hop artist" and "Hey Ya is hip hop because it is done by a hip hop artist in the general style of hip hop" are two different statements. However, you feel they are remotely close; I don't. We're not gonna budge on our opinions, so let's move on. Second, you say that "Hey Ya ain't hip hop" and "Cuz does not rap" aren't related, but I don't believe you. Fine. We can move on. Following on those same lines, I say that my question about hip hop was not direted at you. You don't believe me. We won't budge on that and since they're opinion based, it's moot to argue that.
Still, there are a couple of my points backed up by facts that you still keep trying to put all these irrelevant twists on to sway them in your favor, but you're still wrong!
A) I don't care how many idiotic analogies you come up with; your logic about most people not liking Pass the C even though they've never heard it is ridiculous! If you're honest with yourself - HONEST, Qool - you'd know full well if you asked someone who'd NEVER heard Pass the C if they liked it, they would respond "What's Pass the C?" Then, if you told them it was a hip hop song, true, they might go "Well, I might not like it since it's hip hop" but they would probably concede that since they haven't ever heard it, they don't know. You like Jadakiss, right? Therefore, by your logic, you MUST like EVERY Jadakiss song! Maybe you do, but I doubt that it's simply because you like Jadakiss in general. It's probably because you heard all of Jada's cuts. Piss here, piss there, change the channel to sports, blah, blah, blah, whatever! You're wrong! You cannot sit here and assume someone doesn't like a song they've never heard! And you, Qoolout, maybe can assume YOU don't like urine without ever tasting it. But you cannot assume it for another person! And maybe you can assume about people not liking hip hop in general. But you absolutely cannot assume anything about one particular song! You're still wrong and you'll continue to be wrong no matter how many stupid ass twists you think of!
B) You missed the point about the court case. Maybe you did it in cold blood. Maybe you did it in self defense. The point is, just going, "Your honor, I know better than anyone whether it was self defense or not" is not a valid point. It doesn't strengthen your case. It's just a statement that the judge will look at you and go "Prove it!"
C) I can't believe you have so much trouble grasping basic grammatical setups! You were an English major! A clown, yes, but an English major, too. Or so you claim. Anyway, how in the world do you not understand the function of the pronoun "that?" The pronoun "that" cannot stand alone! If I came in here and said, "Qool, that's what I'm talkin about!" you'd either have to already know what "that" represents; otherwise you would ask me "What are you talkin about?" Remember, these examples only work if you are HONEST with yourself. "That" had to represent something. Now, the sentence went "That seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." So, again, remember "that" refers to something else. I have explained to you what "that" refers to. "That" clearly refers to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." If I'm losing you because you're slow, the next time I post, I'll break it down again for you. For the 4th time. But let's say you're still with me. "That" refers to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." So, in essence - and remember I am backed by basic grammatical principles - I said "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them seems to be the direction of your argument if you ask me." Remember, Qool, you have to be HONEST - which you haven't been doing.
So, I'll give you all that other stuff about "remotely" and "cuz does not rap." But we can argue til Jesus comes back about you being absolutely WRONG about assuming someone doesn't like Pass the C and that "That seems to be the direction of your argument" is CLEARLY referring to "So hip hop is more than rapping and singing, but not when it comes to Outkast, because you don't like them." Unlike you, I am backing my argument up with FACTS, and you just come up with totally irrelevant analogies. So just because your debate skills are way strong like mine doesn't mean you have to act like you muphukin Ron O'Neal. Bamma.
3-3, huh? Prepare to go 7-9! You'll be plottin on a runnin game next year, bamma.
I'm out like a lying liar who doesn't have debate skills way strong like Hillis. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Despite that fact that it's only me and Qool and J-Dolo "erynownden" with a post, I figure I might try to extend some topics to other posters - who aren't postin - so they can get in this, too. Does anybody care about this baseball series stuff? Me, I can't stand when it's baseball season because no football or basketball is on, but the playoffs kinda be interesting. I'm somewhat of a Cubs fan, but definitely not die hard. I mean, I cheer for em, but when they don't win, I ain't pissed for days like I am when the Vols, Titans, or Lakers lose. That Martinez stuff was funny when he slammed that old ass man into the turf... I just want to say that I think Luda's ew album is 5 mics. My pleas will fall on deaf ears for sure, but "Hoes In My Room" with Snoop is funny as hell. Also, "Diamond in the Back," "Southern Fried Intro," and "Hard Times" are superb. Now there are some songs on there called "We Got," "Screwed Up," "Stand Up" and "P Poppin" which I love, but I must admit, they are EXTREMELY southern (Screwed Up has Freestyle King H*WOOD's ass himself, Lil Flip). However, I'm diggin this more than his previous albums, which I also loved. So at least check out Hoes In My Room with Snoop off of Kazaa or somethin.
Barkley was the PF off all PFs. At 6-6 he was more dominant than a bunch of these 6-10, 6-11 bozos. In his prime he played about 7-1. He's definitely better than Malone, who is no slouch, but Barkley was better... G-Unit Killa? Benzino, please! You suck! Stop this madness!
I'm out like Benzin-ho. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Thursday, 16 October 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)
I broke down and got Sheek's solo thing. Question. I'm not thru the whole cd yet, but I heard my boy Jada on two of them so far. How come he blows away Sheek on his own track? I'm not being biased. I'll get the name of it and post it if need be. So the question is, does it hurt an artist to be outdone so badly by his guest, or do people just ignore it and focus in on how tight the verse is? Jae Hood has a nice spit on there too.
I do like baseball and I can go to the game and watch it. But I don't enjoy it that much on TV. I root for B-More since the District doesn't have a team... YET. But it is way more fun to play it. In fact, I played it with my job and we went all the way to the championship. The TA Dodgers (I had nothing to do with that name). We lost, so we went home with second place, but this was my rookie year, (with them). Next year...all the way baby. I'm not trying to get in it again with you Hill (or bring it to you again) but I can't stand that bamma Luda. At least I'm not alone with this though, like with Outkast. As for those PF's J-Dolo mentioned, they both were pretty good in their prime, but until you get a ring you ain't done. Most people throw Dan M outta Miami in my face, or Jim Kelly or even my favorite player R dot Miller when I speak on not getting a ring. And all of them peeps are great examples of great players who never won it all. But I think the major goal is to win a championship. Which is why the TA Dodgers will do just that in 04!
― Qoolout, Thursday, 16 October 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm creating this poetic, method, rhetoric that stays connected/destroying your hectic, pathetic, prosthetic, beheaded lines that need a medic/I could end it but forget it, I'm going for extra credit//
I shoot slugs & kill thugs, you rather snuggle & hug thugs/I’ll blast you open and use your fur as my seat rug// You won’t your shit to be hard hitting? Try digging up Ty Cobb/*I’ll still burn and stab your lines like shish kabobs//
Stop with the Bullish, you don't want trouble/you fucking with a real nigga, not a stunt double/cause running against bullets will make ya blood fumble//
I can't claim to be God, but I recognize sin/Only reason you listen to 50, is cause you stay with Many Men//**
Your only Instrumental is blowing on niggas genitals/Fuck your Prince quote cause they know who's the smooth criminal/***Who breaks your DNA down from every ounce to every mineral/ship the remains to your family to sprinkle it over their cereal//
Package courtesy of you know who/how the fuck you expect to battle now, your mom just swallowed you//****
Just back down, cause there’s no chance of victory...That’s the reality, you’d be more likely to get Star Jones to burn a calorie/Or Terell Owens to reduce his salary//
Cause I study logically, and eat MC’s precisely/No need to continue & battle me//
It’s like Allen Iverson getting on the mic and rappin, again/I’m David Stern, best believe that shit ain’t gonna happen//*****
Just incase some people didn’t get some of my metaphors, here is a glossary to kinda figure out my sick twisted thoughts. I’m pretty sure most of you guys will get it, but the newbies might be curious.
*Ty Cobb is the former hit king of baseball (Pete Rose broke the record). The racist bastard is dead just in case you didn't know.
**J-Dolo mentioned he was rapping on the Instrumental of the Many Men beat, I related the line towards that.
***J-Dolo put a quote where Prince was dissing Michael Jackson. Jackson made a song called Smooth Criminal.
****I'm not sure if people still say this or not. But the old saying "Your Mom Should have swallowed you" is referencing that your mom should have given oral instead of fucking when they conceived you. It's a harsh way of saying I wish you were never born. I kinda flipped it, so it made sense to my earlier cannibal metaphor.
*****I made a paly on J-Dolo quoting Allen Iverson. If you remember he tried to start a rap career until David Stern the commissioner of the NBA put an end to it.
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Thursday, 16 October 2003 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm surprised you didn't mention Elvin Hayes, Qool. Where's the love for the great Washington Bullets PF, Qool! Especially the part when you were talking about great players not getting a ring. Considering that Elvin got one. I was waiting for you to scream out Elvin, what's up? I'm happy I got NBA TV & ESPN Classics cause I really get to see how these players played back then, instead of hearing about it or looking at a stat book. I think Elvin could probably hang with them. Only thing he doesn't have on them is probably size. Charles & Malone could body him in the post probably.
Kevin McHale wasn't bad either during those Celtic title runs. But I don't think he would have been as dominate against 90's version of Charles (90-93) or Malone (95-98). He was able to handle a young skinny Charles but not CB in his prime. Malone has been consistent but not really overachieving. I think his success is due more to longevity in the league. His stats will look better, but like Qool said it's always that elusiveness of a championship that hurts him & CB. I think as a player, Charles has the title right now. Duncan has not only matched their highest credentials in 6 years, but surpassed them. If he continues his pace, and grabs their records, he will bump them off.
For the record I'm waiting for Bill O'Reilly to be hit with a scandal just like Rush did. These fools go on air and act like they are perfect, as if they do no wrong. Then this fool Rush is caught with Oxycotinin (a.k.a. Hillbilly Heroine) pain killers. Bill is next I know it. What he did to Luda was wrong, and down right hypocritical & racist. He didn't attack when Ozzy Ozbourne & his family for doing those Pepsi commercials. Jack is known drug abuser, as so Ozzy. They cuss like crazy on MTV which is a station that attracts teens. What's the deal! I'm happy at least that Russell regulated on Pepsi. And I'm happy Luda dissed Bill on his new album. Mark my words, Bill will slip up and get caught in a scandal. Then the whole world will see guys like him for who they are.
I ain't gonna lie I've been feeling Ja lately. I listened to this track called Bang Bang on Caddillac Tah's album. I kinda like Ja's verse. He seems to kinda be reverting back to his Venni Vetti Vecci days. But I think it's too little, too late, cause the past two years he has killed his street cred.
Is it just me or is everyone doing double albums now? I guess people can't be original anymore, they still wanna be like Pac. Besides that point other than Pac's & Biggies they have all been garbage. I don't think Ja Fool will break that trend either with his double album.
Imagine that, William Sloppy beating Bernard Hopkins. I'm not a Hopkins fan either, and for damn sure not a Joppy fan. I could careless about that fight. I'm just hoping for Tito to come back, and the rest of the boxing world can fuck they self. Most of these fools is getting pimped by Don King anyway. I'm happy my dawg Fernando V doing is own thing with promotion. At least he knows what boxers go through on the grind unlike King.
Jada is simply a better Emcee than Sheek. Bar None, pointblank. Out of all The Lox tracks I have, there is not one where I think Sheek outshines Jada. Simply put, if Jada is the Illest in the group, and Styles is the Pippen to Jada's Jordan. Then Sheek is the Rodman of the group. He simply does not give a fuck about the flow. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But he's there for more of the emotion then the lyricism. If you noticed Jada & Styles don't really switch their flow up. It's pretty much the same deal on every track. But Sheek is more louder, and is more emotional on the tracks. He's the one ad-libbing the most, talking shit, saying Fuck the world! Just like Rodman got the team up with his attitude, that's how Sheek contributes.
I think Just Blaze explained how colabos are done nowadays perfectly. He said it's more about promotion than just getting together and doing a track. Sometimes the two artist don't even have to record the song together. They just lay their vocals on the beat, and send it off to the artist to rap on it. The whole mentality is, if I get this rapper on my CD that means more sells cause they are the top people in the game right now. I think the artist who hand picks these artist to do their songs aren't as worried about getting outshined, as they are about the sales. With Sheek & Jada its kinda different cause of them being a group. But think about it... why the hell has Jada been featured on almost every Ruff Ryder album? Sheek hasn't, Styles hasn't...but always Jada???
I've said enough
Copyright HillisI'm out like that dude in the stands who fucked up the Cubs in game 6. Expect that fool to be lying in Lake Michigan soon...I'm also out like the Cubs from the World Series!
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Thursday, 16 October 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)
Let me get y'alls take on Da Band. I watched the show and them fools had me cracking up with all that fighting and talking about Puff, like he wasn't gonna watch the tape. I wasn't gonna take them serious at first, but I gotta admit that their joint "Bad Boy This & That" is tight. Out of just THAT song, who has the best flow. To me it can be either Ness or Chopper, but right now I say Chopper. I've been going back and forth on this, so next time I post I might be feeling Ness a lil bit more, LOL. Holla.
― Qoolout, Friday, 17 October 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Hollywood, I can't believe you put fucking footnotes at the end of your battle rap to explain every reference. you're signifying rappers like my boy D.F. Dub.*
* haha sike, I'll let someone else figure that one out.
― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 18 October 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
H*WOOD, that was tight, but I agree with Al that you ain't have to put the explanations at the bottom! You tryin to say we ain't smart enough to get your metaphors???
Foolout, you're still a joke! I let it slide earlier (since this ain't no spellin bee), but since you commented on "eack" lemme just say, quit callin me a "lair!" lol Anyway, "seems" doesn't mean I thought it was one way, but I was wrong. "Seems" means that while the sitaution may look a certain way, you acknowledge that the situation may actually be different. For example, if your girl saw you on the street huggin some fine ass broad and then go into her apartment, it may SEEM like you're cheating on her. But your girl may acknowledge that in actuality, there's a legitimate explanation. The girl might be a cousin you ain't seen in a long time and she's taking you up to visit your aunt and uncle! So I was saying that it SEEMS like you were bending your definition of hip hop to discredit Outkast, but I was acknowledging that in actuality you knew better than to come up with some wack ass "Hey Ya ain't hip hop/cuz does not rap" argument. Of course, since then, I do believe that was your wack ass argument. You say it's not; I don't believe you. But we've moved on so you don't have to defend yourself anymore.
Sure, you may not have to take the stand with 5 people testifying, but (again) THAT IS IRRELEVANT! The fact is, "Your honor, I know better than anybody it was self defense" is not valid evidence! Yes, I agree - you know better than anybody what you meant. But that could mean that you know better than anybody that it really WAS cold blooded murder. Maybe the man liked Outkast and you tryin to start poppin off people But just saying that without proving it means nothing! You can say it all you want, but no one will believe you if you just say that with no evidence! Bamma ass analogies...
I think H*WOOD hit the nail on the head, the spike on the side, and the tack in the middle with his view on Sheek and Jada. Back when I used to hate the Lox - mainly Jada and Styles - I still found Sheek highly amusing, because his emotion sort of combined with his wack rhymes to be entertaining. It used to baffle me that a lot of people would mention that Jada of the Lox was good, and I'd be like "I only really feel Sheek because he funny as hell." Of course, NOW, I think Jada is the standout member, so it's not really that bad that Jada murks Sheek. I mean, if Jada murked Nas, Jay, Em, Big, Pac, or anybody in the upper echelon of rap (I would mention Kast, 50 and Luda, but I know how Qool feels about them) THEN it would be bad. But Jada murkin Sheek? Nah, playa, that ain't bad; that's just reality.
Did someone say Madden?! As in 2004? Don't y'all know I'm the greatest??? Me and my boys play 3 min quarters and it be on like thigh bone - whatever that means. Lots of smack talkin, but of course I'M the best...
Ludacris takes a shot at Bill O'Reilly on "Hoes In My Room" and "Blow It Out." He only mentions Bill once on each song. It ain't Ether (shittin all over Takeover) or Hit Em Up. "Blow It Out" as a song is aiight, but "Hoes in My Room" is definitely the cut.
I'm not about to listen to Da Band. Their whole existence is a huge gimmick. You see them lame ass niggas fightin on a reality show and from what I already said I heard on the radio, I think they wack. Of course, Diddy is wack, too, so what can I expect?!
That line about 50 and Many Men was almost - ALMOST - as funny as Freestyle King my ass...
I'm out like Bill "Ho"Reilly. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Saturday, 18 October 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)
And another thing, Qoolio... Don't be tryin to have some debate with me about whether or not Andre 3000 is serious when he's singing! You've listened to all of 5 or 6 Outkast songs, so you ain't anywhere near some type of expert. Just cause the boy next door was a fan, doesn't mean you took in any knowledge. Take what you know about Kast, multiply it by 100 and you'd still only know half what I do. I been listenin to Kast hard core since 1996 - your freshman year in Qlown Qollege. Andre 3000 has been singing on tracks since Aquemini (1998), and he ain't never claim to be Luther on them, so I don't know why all of a sudden he would think he is now. I mean, he is singing seriously in the fact that he is in tune and on key, but as far as being the next Brian McKnight? Hell naw. And on the album, you can tell that he is not singing seriously. Try and listen to a song called "Roses" and tell me you honestly think he is being serious. Also, one of the reasons you stated that "Automobile" and "Player Hater" are hip hop was mainly because of the topics, but you failed to state the topic of "Hey Ya" and how it was different, so I wonder what was the reason of bringing it up? I can tell you that Hey Ya is probably about a couple in a sexual relationship and that they shouldn't try to take it further. Of course, I agree that the topic would strengthen the argument for Automobile and Player Hater, but I don't think that should be one of the strong points, simply because we both know that hip hop doesn't have to be solely based on bitches, hoes, sex, robbery, and murder. I respect your opinion and reasons (even though it took 5 or 6 posts for you to muster it up); however, I think if you were more familiar with Outkast, you MAY feel different. Outkast has songs like "Funky Ride" "Spottieottiedopalicious" "Liberation" and "Toilet Tisha" whereby one may not recognize them as hip hop if they ain't know it was Kast. But to me, Hey Ya ain't that out of the ordinary since I'm more familiar with their work. Of course, you may have heard all the songs and still think they ain't hip hop. That's your opinion. Fair enough.
I been racking my brain for a while to come up with a verse, and I had writer's block for a good minute. I haven't written since I was murkin Qool last April! But I came up with a random battle verse that's not really directed at anybody - just to try and get back in to spittin. If it sucks, I apologize to all my fans and will work on getting back up to par...
"Uh, uh, uh, poetic this, POETIC THAT, you fuckin with the most DREADED cat/you gon be lyrically beHEADED, cat, beef with me? you better DEAD IT cat//I gotta be alone at the top thanks to my ego and my selfishness/"Why you murder your opponents like that?" your honor, it was self defense//you must be insane thinkin you can outrhyme me/you'll face a death that's painful and untimely//plus, I'm playing your girl quite nice like Deion and two sports/she say you get in where you fit in because your dick's Too $hort//that's probably why she would let me GO IN her RAW/when she with you she said it's like she's BLOWIN a STRAW//but you can stop playin that straight role like you're the HARDEST of TODAY/I should call you MARVIN cause you STARVIN and you GAY(e)//yeah I said it; you're a FAG, a COWARD/on dates, dudes be bringing you the BATCH of FLOWERS!"
It's kind of random with the direction, but hey, it's got some promise!
I'm out like these Panthers to the Tight Titans. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Looks like this thang is sick again, so I'm gonna throw some more stuff out there...
Qool, I know you got Beyonce's album and I assume you like it. I've been seeing the collabos and listening to a few tracks and I must say it's a solid effort. She got Luther, your favorite Missy Elliot, and Jay on 2 tracks. I like em all, plus the Sean Paul song is nice.
What's with the Bucs? They let soft ass San Fran put the smack down on em! I think they gon fall under .500 next week cause them Cowboys are coin to play. I think Bill Parcells is probably the greatest coach ever in my opinion. However, I'd say he's undeniably the greatest of the current coaching era. I have to give props to Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh, cause they, too, did fine jobs in their times. And there's Dick Vermeil, who also does the damn thing. However, Parcells seems to improve a team as soon as he steps on the sidelines. Parcells exhibits the formula that I think it takes to win in the NFL...
I get tired of hearing you "have" to run in the NFL. Defense wins championships. All these other moronic cliches suck. You only need 2 things to win in the NFL. Personnel and chemistry. Schemes are important, true, but you don't get to be a head coach or coordinator in the NFL without having a grasp on the NFL schemes. But Parcells understands that personnel and chemistry are the two biggest things needed. Ultimately, you gotta have good players. Heart and desire can only get you so far when you're playing someone decidely better than you. But generally in the NFL the talent gap isn't as wide as college. For example, it's not unheard for teams like the Texans or Bengals to beat temas like the Colts or the Chiefs. But that won't happen too often. So for the playoff caliber teams, chemistry takes them over the top. The Bucs all came together at the right time cause of chemistry. The Eagles always beat that ass, but not when it mattered cause the Bucs were "gellin." That's why coaches like Tony Dungy, Parcells, Vermeil, and Lombardi in his day are/was so good. They get their players to believe in themselves and play above their physical talent. Even though Herm Edwards' Jets are 2-4 and Cowher's Steelers, too, they both get their players to play at their highest level, and the Jets and Steelers will be competing for a playoff spot later on. And though the Bengals and Texans are weak personnel wise, once Lewis and Capers have more time implementing his scheme and personnel they will compete, too. I think the coach may take too much blame when a lot of players or good teams fail, but ultimately it falls on the players. But you do have a few coaches who will be difference makers - not because they scheme the best or "coach" the best. It's because they bring an attitude of winning and believing in your teammates, coach, and your scheme. Chemistry and personnel. Take Dallas. Parcells doesn't have that good of a team. Quincy Carter was like third string last year. Their running game is aiight. Their defense ain't all that. But they're winning because Parcells genuinely believes in them, which became infectious. They have beaten some pretty good teams, and beaten the teams they were supposed to. They all believe that they can do it this year (not in two or three), which is why they'll win the East (sorry, Qool). Ultimately they will be exposed for not being that good of a team (remember, personnel is part of it, too), but they show you what chemistry can do, and it should be exciting (at least for Dallas fans) to see what happens once Parcells puts in more of "his" players.
Kobe's case is going to trial. Will we finally officially learn this chick's name?
What was better - TO's TD or Randy's lateral???
I'm out like the Bills on Redskinnies. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)
I also think Foolout should worry about this ass whippin he bout to get... but d-d-d-don't t-t-t-take this puh-puh-puh-personally...
Why is it that I can't say if Andre 3000 is serious because I don't know him personally, but YOU can even though you don't know him personally, either?! NEGRO, PLEASE! And let's not even talk about your lame ass evidence - which is highly assumptive anyway! He made a video to it? So flippin what! You've seen the video! He plays the same 7 or 8 characters and is hoppin around in the 60s! That's serious to you?! Besides, he sings on all but one track on the whole album, so pretty much ANY video he makes will have singing on it, so your point that he made a video to a song where he sings is irrelevant. The reason he made a video is probably because he liked that song more than some of the others on the track! That doesn't mean he picked that because it displayed some Lutheresque talent, MORON! And there were times that mama tried to lecture you, and you ain't wanna hear it, you knucklehead lil boy, but my "lecture" was actually RELEVANT to our debate unlike anything you ever say. You ain't got to care, but the fact that I know Outkast WAY better than you pretty much makes my statements about Andre 3000 a lot more plausible than yours! For example, if some bamma (you) came in here and said he'd only heard two Jada (Outkast) tracks and says Jada (Outkast) always spits about money (seriously tries to sing), you'd (I'd) probably (definitely) murk him and say that Jada (Outkast) doesn't because you (I) been listenin to Jada (Outkast) for a minute and can name a dozen songs where Jada (Outkast) spits about some other ill stuff (doesn't seriously sing). Now who's more credibile: you (me), a die hard Jada (Outkast) fan, or some bamma (you) that done heard a few tracks? I'll defeat the purpose of that rhetorical question and say that YOU are (I am), MORON!
Next, at the time I said "SEEMS," I did not assume it was that way or believe it. That's the whole point of the term "SEEMS." A few posts LATER, after you had posted some more comments, that's when I said I believe you said it because you simply don't Outkast. Later! Not at that time! AT THAT TIME, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and I was giving you a chance to explain yourself, which you didn't do until about 3 or 4 posts LATER, so LATER, I said that your hesitance was a reason why I do believe it NOW! See, if you actually comprehended the meaning of the word "SEEMS" you'd have dropped this 15 posts ago. I can't TELL you what you meant with your statements, so why can you TELL me what I meant? What's up with all this double talkin! First with knowing Andre personally, now with what I meant! You need bactrack, regroup, rethink, slow ya roll, etectera, etcetera...
Also, I don't have a problem with you simply saying it was self defense. It's the "knowing better than anyone" part. That doesn't help. At all. Combined with all the evidence that you are innocent, it still means nothing. You might as well have all the evidence and then throw in, "plus I was born in May" or "plus I post on threads in my spare time." It doesn't add at all. The fact that you know better than anyone means nothing. Again, you do know better than anyone whether it was murder or self defense, but since you could be lying and we have no idea based on your say so, it is irrelevant. Saying it doesn't hurt, but it does not help. At all!
"Hey Ya is a gay ass song because it is done by a gay ass artist in the general style of homosexuality." That statement is ALSO not even REMOTELY close to what I said. If you think it is, fine. I can let it go. But like a female, you seem to want to have the last word (lol). Go ahead, have it if you want (leap, frog, leap!)...
When I mentioned the Beyonce collabos, I was actually thinking that you would like them because Beyonce was so fire. I couldn't care less about Sean Paul being on Baby Boy, Beyonce is muphukin flames! We probably all agree that Beyonce has the luxury of actually being able to sing to go with her beauty (unlike J-Lo, Britney). I really just like hearing her on the collabos. Cuz from Kast (Big Boi) is staright with me and so is his boy Sleepy, but I think Beyonce is fire on that, too. Not that I'm dissing Kast, but sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm to get to the rainbow (I can't believe I said that) so suffer through Big Boi/Sleepy just to hear the lovely Ms. Knowles - who Jay-Z and I are cuttin. Anyway, I'll definitely peep the solo cuts as well. LMAO @ "Maybe I don't have it, maybe I don't like it." Yeah... right... my bad... there I go assuming things again...
Dude, you can rep them sorry Redskinnies til the cow(boy)s come home (and wax you). I don't care. But just realize they WILL suffer that ferocious L to a better prepared, better coached... hell, just BETTER team! You see how us Tight Titans did Carolina... you might just need to plot on avoiding the playoffs, cause the end result of any of your success would be to get pummeled in the S dot Bowl by McNair and his Folks. That opening day win seems so long ago...
Man, I'm out like Mister Allen Iverson. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Friday, 24 October 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)
Yeah, I also know that you didn't know the topic of Hey Ya. So my question was where were you going when you started talking about the topics of Automobile and Playa Hater? You mentioned them being considered hip hop songs at first glance because they was about head and gangsta moves, respectively. But you didn't counter with Hey Ya was about XYZ so I associate XYZ with R&B. You just stated you didn't know the topic, so if it was about head and gangsta moves it SEEMS that following along with your statement about Automobile and Playa Hater, that Hey Ya actually IS hip hop. Of course, now when you said that, why did you bring the topic of a song into the debate? I just didn't follow.
And I also forgot to tell you that Jadakiss has no point on Made You Look (remix). Yeah, sure, you said Nas said the point of the song was X, but I wasn't talkin about the song. I said Jadakiss. His verse is random. Tight, but random and goes from this to that to over there and beyond. He has no point on that track.
On Madden (of course not Pharell/For Real) the Redskinnies have a fire defense with Smoot, Bailey, and Arrington, but they offense on that game is boo boo. Trung, Gardner, and Ramsey are all boo boo. Their line is boo boo. Without Coles, they are plottin for 5 turnovers a game.
I'm out like Pharell. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Friday, 24 October 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Since we got on R&B a little, I'll take this time to say I was wrong about Ashanti. Sister, can sing and she is fine now; I don't know what happened, but "Rain On Me" is my song. She SUNG that joint, and Larenze Tate hooked up the video quite nicely. Hillis, Mariah is another who has the looks to match the voice. Alica too. Lastly, anybody hear Jay's new songs? One of them "Change Your Clothes" is another weak song to me, like "Excuse Me Miss." But the other "What More Can I Say" is grade A status.
― Qoolout, Saturday, 25 October 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)
Look, MORON, you can say he's serious all you want, and you'll still be absolutely wrong. You may have HEARD Outkast albums, but it's quite obvious you haven't LISTENED to them. If you actually LISTENED to them, you'd stop talkin all this stupid shit about him really trying to sing. As a true fan of Outkast, I can't express how idiotic you sound. You are absolutely wrong. I'm sorry, you can come up with all this crappy ass evidence all day, and you'll still be wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. I ain't even tryin to clown or demean you (at least not on this), but you're just wrong. And the song doesn't suck; YOU just don't like it. The only thing that sucks fat floppy donkey dick is your terrible arguments! Biggie wrote, performed, and sang Playa Hater on key! Automobile was on key! What are you talkin about? DMX, Jada, Nas, 2Pac, have all sang hooks on key before, but you think they go around tellin people how they sound like Marvin Gaye? NEGRO, PLEASE! I enjoy singing songs, too, but when I sing I ain't tryin to be Luther. People sing all the time on songs, and that don't mean they think they sound good or are trying to impress anybody with their R&B lyrics. You're absolutely wrong about Andre 3000 singing on Hey Ya. You can take your obviously HIGHLY LIMITED knowledge of Outkast and throw it out the window because you have been misinformed. Maybe you think hearing a few songs off an album once or twice constitutes LISTENING, but you're sadly mistaken. Anybody who has REALLY LISTENED to Outkast albums before, knows Andre is not trying to impress with his singing. Now a gospel is a special genre, because topic alone makes the song gospel. But goespel is not like rap, r&b, country, alternative, etc. The style comes into play. Topic doesn't. Songs don't have to be about gangsta moves or head to be considered hip hop. If he was rapping, I'd take him serious probably because he's made FOUR ALBUMS and been seriously rapping since 1993, bamma. When he and Big Boi first started singing on Aquemini, I didn't care if he was serious because the songs were tight. On Stankonia, I know he's not serious because of the way he sings. "Slum Beautiful" and "I'll Call Before I Come" proves my point perfectly. And his little singing intro on "The Whole World" proves I'm right, too. So there's my evidence. Actually songs he's done before and actual knowledge of the subject. Again, you only came with highly assumptive nonsense! So, I really don't care how many videos with singing he makes, YOU'RE STILL WRONG!
Bamma, if we both see he has on red shoes, fine, you can say he has on red shoes. La di freakin da! But that's irrelevant. Him having on red shoes is a fact in your example. What we're talking about is your opinion and me knowing the facts. Can I point to where Andre explicitly said one way or the other? No, but neither can you, so that point is moot! What I have is a better knowledge of the artist than you ever will, and I'm tellin you, he's actually wearing blue shoes, dummy!
You ain't got to lie, Craig, you ain't got to lie... Yes, you do! That's the only way you can save face, NICCA! But since you don't believe me, go read The Source's article on Outkast when they gave em 4 mics. They explain it very well so maybe you can learn something, bamma.
You had me rollin on a couple of things you said... That damn Madden be cheatin up a storm! I can't stand when wide open dudes be droppin perfect passes for no reason, or they be comin up with these wack ass fumbles. Plus, I hate how McNabb, McNair, and Culpepper are all slow as hell. Vick is the only mobile QB with any speed! I rarely play the computer because I be too busy battlin my boys, but when I first got it I did. Man I had Philly on All Madden mode and in the first half I was down 28-0 to Green Bay and had already thrown 5 picks! It was some nonsense! I ain't have NO time to set up and make a good throw. So I ain't playin that nonsense no more... "Just because you followed his whole career, attended all of his local concerts, voted for him on TRL and would take a slug or two for him..." Hell, with 2Pac gone, what else was I supposed to do? lol
You like Ashanti's Rain On Me?! So, how did you not like Can I Live by Jay-Z off Reasonable Doubt? The beat is the exact same! Maybe you should give it a re-listen. Now, I agree Norv Turner wasn't the cause of the downfall of the Redskinnies. Y'all had a super nice team that year (except you caught that L to the Tight Titans that year), but Dan Snyder did WAY too much meddling and messed up the karma. Y'all started losing, Dan blamed Norv, fired him, and y'all season slipped away with L after L after L. That was a clear playoff team until Danny Boy f'ed it up. But with a strong presence like Parcells, you don't have to worry about outside distractions. The team is gonna play hard, make minimal mistakes, and hopefully if the talent is decent, you'll win some games. I think ultimately players play the game as well, but if a Dungy, Parcells, Dick Vermeil or a Marvin Lewis comes available, you snatch him up because he'll definitely have those players playing at the next level. Unfortunately for M. Lewis, his squad is supect. Parcells is suspect, too, but they're winning - even though Tampa did em in. Dungy took a weak team, turned em into a contender, and now they're possible Super Bowl favorites. We all know about Vermeil's success as well. So yeah, coaches ain't that instrumental, but there are a few out there who can make a difference from the sidelines and deserve the big bucks and attention.
I'm out like DallASS from Tampa. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Monday, 27 October 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Qoolout. Come on now. You know good and well I don't care if you like Outkast and I ain't tryin to "make" you like them. But we can forever go back and forth about Andre 3000 tryin to sing seriously...
Dude, I hope you weren't serious with that R. Kelly and Ginuwine shit. If you were too dumb to understand that Luther was an EXAMPLE then you're simply ridiculous. FUCK OUTTA HERE with R. Kelly and Ginuwine don't sound like Luther! Nigga, I know that! I was usin Luther as an example for a REAL R&B singer who takes his SINGING seriously. Damn, if it helps you, you can switch Luther with Ginuwine, R. Kelly, Jon B, Dave Hollister, Montell Jordan, Brian McKnight, Donnell Jones, Teddy Pendergrass, Keith Sweat, Ron Isley, Tank, Jaheim, Billy Ocean, Marques Houston, D'Angelo - shit, pick any male R&B singer your heart desires! The fact is, all those singers are serious R&B singers. They sound good on songs. People enjoy listening to them because they can really sing. They make R&B albums and soul albums. Do you follow? So all I was saying that Andre 3000 doesn't try to sound like a real R&B singer - not Luther, specifically, jack ass. Anyway, why do you give Weird Al the benefit of the doubt? Since you don't know him personally, you can't say he ain't serious, either! Yeah, he may amuse us, but how do you know it's not inadvertent? You don't know Champ Bailey personally; how do you know he really wants the Redskins to win? In case you ain't know, I'm not really making those stupid ass arguments, but I hope they help you realize how clueless you sound.
You obviously haven't listened to Outkast albums. You're either lying or think listening means having heard them once or twice. You say you ain't got to lie, Craig, so I'll assume the latter. Nothing you have said makes me think you have really listened to an album. You even said yourself you mainly listened to the "BS" on the radio, so why would you be a credible listener? Did I expect you to recognize any of the Outkast songs I mentioned? Absolutely not, because I know you're full of shit, proving my point that you have no idea what you're talking about! Do the math, huh? Fine, see if you can follow: Andre and Big Boi have been rappin since 1993. Seriously rapping. The first song where Andre sang was in 1998 on Aquemini and that was on ONE song whereas the album has 16 tracks. Then on Stankonia in 2000 he sang on FOUR songs, whereas the album had 24 tracks. So my point was that there a more than one song where Andre sings, so I'm not just basing this off Hey Ya (like you), but I actually know other songs where Andre sings and I can assure you he's not serious - hence me bringing them up since you SAY you've "listened" to Outkast's albums (yeah bleepin right). But don't get it twisted - he hadn't sang on but 6 or 7 tracks before The Love Below. That would hardly constitute a serious R&B singer when you have at least 50 songs out there. Bamma. Now, I don't care about The Source and their 5 mic rating system either. I was only pointing out that in their review of Speakerboxxx/Love Below they echo what I say about Andre 3000, and since they have rated all of their albums and probably know him personally, maybe you'd believe them since you cannot comprehend that since I know more about Outkast than you, I'm probably right about Andre 3000. And since all I do is bring up other songs, I'll bring up those same other songs, Automobile and Playa Hater, and by your bamma ass logic, I'll give BIG and Eazy the "benefit of the doubt" and say they really tried to be R&B and country singers seriously and they didn't want them to be hip hop songs "since I haven't heard otherwise" and "don't know them personally." lol... you're a clueless joke!
As usual the thread get hot for a lil minute then it cool off quicker than the Redskins 3-1 start. But if you're gonna clown my Tight Titans at least get it right. The last time we was in Fed Ex, we gave you all a ferocious L in a season of many ferocious Ls. Of course, the last time y'all came in the Coliseum, we caught the L. Except we still made the playoffs. Now Madden be real random with the fumbles, and it pisses me off. They need to fix that nonsense. I was down 28-21 to my boy (he had the freakin Redskins, lol) and I was driving down the field and was SO CLOSE to tying it, but this micky ficky decides to fumble on the 1 yard line! THE ONE YARD LINE!!! Are they serious? That's garbage cause all he had to do was break the plane, and they gon have my man fumble ON THE DAMN ONE YARD LINE!!! Take it back to the store?! Nah, playa. I was bout to get real Office Space on my TV and PS2 and take it out to a field with a bat while ya boys - Geto Boys that is - bump "Still" in the background!
Aiyo, check it, this weekend is gonna be sad for all Wash(ed up)ington fans when them 5-11 C-Boys hand Pat Ham-she a(nother)ferocious L like in the middle of 3W. I never understood why he was The Tuna, but when you win like he does, I guess you can get away with lame nicknames. And if you wanna run on Madden 2004 on the PS2 as the QB but still behind the line, just press L2. I don't know how on any other console. Another thing I hate is when yo offensive tackles just sit there and watch the DE run by and sack you. I could see if he fell or missed, but he just sit there and slide and don't even try to hold or nothin. And it pisses me off cause I don't do nothing cause it looks like he's in position to do SOMETHING but then I get sacked like ole boy wasn't even there! FLIP OUTTA HERE!
Man, I'm gone.
I'm out like bulljive fumbles. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)
Since ain't nobody else postin, I guess I'll keep it goin til J-Dolo and H*WOOD find somethin to post about. Shaq and Kobe are feuding again, but this time folks done got personal. I have three theories. 1) they're all just bullshittin to take focus of Kobe's trial, just like when they did all the bullshit arguments during their second championship to get people to underestimate them. 2) Kobe and Phil have a plot to piss Shaq off so he'll play hard through the whole season to prove a point to them; thus they win they championship again because we all know, except for Qool, that Shaq can't be stopped and any team with Shaq playing like his dominant self is guaranteed victory. 3) They're for real. I honestly thinbk it's 1 or 2, but let's say it's 3. I think Shaq is right; it's his team. Still, he ain't got to go around sayin that. If he was a true leader like Jordan, Bird, Bill Russell, Chamberlain or Magic, there would be no need to say anything. He's probably right about Kobe, too, and Kobe took it to harsh. Shaq went off on Kobe over a lil comment, too. Plus, Shaq got way too personal when he told him to opt out. It ain't that serious - the season ain't even started yet! Second, Kobe was absolutely right about Shaq being fat, out of shape, not being a leader, etc. Kobe may not be in the place to say Shaq's unprofessionalism hurt the team last year - I mean, Kobe is the one on trial for rape and cheated on his wife and hurting the team - but he's right. Shaq was fat and lazy all season and waited too long for toe surgery. The only thing is, I think Kobe gave out way too much info when he said Shaq ain't call him over the summer. Unless this is all a show, Kobe shouldn't have put Shaq out there like that. Ain't no need to cry in public cause ya boy or so called boy ain't call you. That's kind of gay.
Qool, since you know journalism, I had a question. I was always told that when something was in quotes, that means the person actually said it. And if something that is quoted is in paranthesis, then that something is referring to something he/she said, but it isn't really what they said. For example: Ted said, "We (the team) need to be crisp (on offense)." So following that example, Ted ACTUALLY said "We need to be crisp" and "the team" and "on offense" was put in by the reporter. Right? So following that example, what do you think it means in a sentence like this: Ted said, "We (need) to be crisp (on) offense as a team. (Coach Smith) told us (we need to) hustle." Now, if we take out the stuff in parenthesis, you get "We to be crisp offense as a team. Told us hustle." But that makes no sense! I see quotes with stuff in parentheses all the time that seem vital to the quote and if left out, the sentence makes NO sense. I usually see it when I'm browsing ESPN or looking in the newspaper. Here's one from ESPN.com:
"Definitely not," Bryant continued. "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]."
If perimeter is left off, it looks like Kobe said "I'll worry about the" and we know Kobe wouldn't say nothin that stupid, so why was perimeter in brackets?! I dunno. I was hopin you got some inside knowledge, but if you just as confused as me, then I understand.
I'm out like (the perimeter). Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Qoolout, Monday, 3 November 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)
Aiyo, check it, dun, you're pure tomatoes. You haven't said anything to make me believe you have listened to more than 10 songs by Outkast. Peep this, English major, let's assume you have read the Scarlet Letter and I "say" I have. Yet, I don't know what the letter is, what it stands for, why she has to wear it, plus I don't know crucial characters and all I know is who wrote it and it's set in the 1700 New England era, would you still believe me? Well, if you have read the Scarlet Letter and I couldn't tell you those details, it would probably tip you off that I'm LYING or I HAVEN'T FULLY READ IT, but I'd heard of it or maybe just skimmed it. Your views on Kast make me think that. How you ain't know what songs I was talkin about if you know they albums? How you ain't know what I was talkin about when I said Dre sang before? How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? How you still think he's serious? You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise. FURTHERMORE, you said you mainly listen to the "BS they play on the radio [station]" which FURTHER lets me know you haven't really listened to the albums AS WELL AS the fact that your "hearing" these albums is due to the fact you resided next to someone who played them! What kind of nonsense is that?! I lived next to people who bumped alternative, but that don't make me some type of expert - or even someone with medium knowledge of the genre! My roommate now is really in to gospel rap, but I couldn't tell you jack about any of them! So your Outkast knowledge is minimal at best, which goes against your credibility. And me being a bigger fan than you combined with your professed lack of knowledge about them makes me WAY more credible than you. I'm not just a bigger fan; I'm more knowledgable on the subject in question, MORON! And you seem to give the benefit of the doubt to everybody but Outkast (because you don't like them - that IS the direction of ALL your arguments). It's called "BENEFIT" of the doubt. "BENEFIT!" Andre 3000 is not "BENEFITTING" from the doubt. You gave Biggie the "BENEFIT" and Eazy the "BENEFIT" but you didn't give Andre this "BENEFIT." The main reason I know BIG and Eazy aren't serious is because of HOW they sang - fuck a topic! And I know Andre's not serious because I can tell how he's singing that he's not serious. Plus, The Source backs me up on this - which is my proof as I stated before, MORON. Your proof is assumptive and stupid!
What is it with you and hypotheticals? I CAN absolutely say what I said about Champ Bailey and not make the actual argument! The ONLY reason I said it was because it would be a dumb ass argument based off YOUR logic! I specifically said I wasn't making the argument - are you kidding? Did you really miss that? Me, personally, I believe Champ Bailey wants to win(ALTHOUGH he could be doing all those things just to make himself look good, and couldn't care less about winning, lol). I don't know him personally, but I can see it the same as you. I never said Champ Bailey wanted to lose. All I did was ask you how YOU knew, since you don't know him personally! If I ask how do you know there's a God, that doesn't mean I don't believe He's there. Maybe I just wanna know how He's touched you! The Champ Bailey question was to prove to you that I don't need to know Andre 3000 personally to know his intentions, just like you don't need to know Bailey to know his. Your "proof" is ridiculous! He made a video to the song is irrelevant because he sings on all the songs (save one) on the entire album! I could see if he did 12 raps and sang twice, and the videos were on the 2 singing songs. But any video he does for The Love Below is gonna be a singing song, so that video mess is nonsense.
Billy Ocean was a mini-Luther (in size and fame) and his big hit was "Get out of my dreams, get into my car..." I can't remember the exact name, but that was how the chorus went. If you heard Billy Ocean, I almost guarantee you'd at least recognize him. And your explanation was quite simple. I thank you kindly, sir. Did you finally figure out Madden? Of course you don't wanna see me, so you haven't totally figured it out, but at least you might complete a pass, NICCA!
If Kobe is better than Shaq, why do the Lakers do better when Kobe is out and Shaq is in, rather than vice versa? Kobe can dribble better than Shaq and can shoot better than Shaq and can play the perimeter better than Shaq. But he's not better than Shaq. All Kobe does is dribble and hit jumpers. Last time I checked, dunks and jumpers equal the same - however, dunks are a higher percentage. Shaq shoots a better percentage and scores more. Threes are the only things that are better than dunks. Second, it takes more people to stop Shaq's dunk than Kobe's jumper, therefore opening up more options for other scores if Shaq can't dunk than if Kobe can't shoot. Third, any GM in the league would rather start their team with Shaq than Kobe. Fourth, two words: Penny Hardaway. Fifth, in reality, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're exaggerating when you say all Shaq does is dunk. But in any case, Shaq's low post game is more beneficial to ANY team than anybody else's post OR perimeter game - thus making him the best in the GAME OF BASKETBALL. You seem to fail to realize that basketball isn't necessarily about dribbling or shooting. You don't get points for crossovers or fadeaways. You get points when the ball goes in the hoop. Shaq does that more than anyone PLUS there's more of a chance someone else can do it because Shaq is on the floor. Defensively I think Shaq and Kobe are equal because Shaq can keep people from getting easy buckets in the paint and make it easier for others to overplay their man. And Kobe can shut down just about any perimeter player, taking them and their team out the game. Still, Shaq is better within the scope of basketball, and anyone with b-ball knowledge knows this.
You can rep them Redskinnies if you want to. They still suck, but go ahead and stick by your team. Of course I know you crying a river that you hope leads to the Titan's Ocean, but in the words of your broken heart it's just emotions takin you over... LMAO!
I'm out like the Redskinnies from contention. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)
But I will comment on the Jay-z thing and say some things. First off the bat the album is destine to fail. He calls it a Black album (Which means no promotion, no singles, no video) but yet there is a single & a B-side playing on radio, and he did the video for Change clothes. I thought the whole purpose at the beginning was to finish off his last album, by going back before Reasonable Doubt. I thought it was kinda cool, cause I was under the impression it was going to be like Prince's Black Album. If your familiar with the story of the black album or not. After prince made Sign O Times he made an album which had no cover art at all, just a black page. It was a dark demented album, and if your familiar with prince's vulgar music, this took it 10 steps further. Prince didn't want it to come out, so the album was dropped and people bootlegged it. Instead he released Lovesexy and that was more of a commercial album filled with love songs and stuff. So we fast forward to the point where prince was "The artist formerly known..." the Black Album was released without any video, promotion, or even a single. Now we jump back to Jay-z thing with the whole Black album idea. He was also influenced by his nigga Biggie (Who was influenced by Prince) and his final wishes for his last album. Life After death wasn't supposed to be Biggie's last album obviously. But what Biggie had planned for his swan song was to have two albums come out simultaneously. One album would be more of an album for the commercial audience, ya know with the singles and stuff. Just imagine how Jay-z's Vol. 2 was beefed up with production, and guest appearances. That's what Biggie wanted to do with that album. He also wanted a producer to do only one track each. While the other one was for the streets. It was gonna be sold on the black market (Street corners). That was gonna be just him and the beats, no guest appearance, no promotion, no single, no videos. This was also to be a more darker album filled with more vulgarity.
I thought all along this is what Jay was gonna do, he was gonna pull out some old stuff from before Reasonable Doubt. Make brand new darker & deeper tracks. Have different producers on every track. No promotion, No Single, No Video...Instead we hear "Lets change clothes & go..." I'm like, What the fuck? This isn't a fucking black album, this is another Jay-z album. Which leads me to believe this is all hype just so people will by his shit. Since Blueprint 2 was lackluster, and Best of Both World before that. People were probably going to be hesitant to buy just another Jay-z album. But since this was gonna be Jay's last, the people would be more into getting it.
Lets not forget Jay has fallen back on promises. He fell back on his promise to have 12 different producers, I think the Neptunes do a few tracks on there. He fell back on his promise of No Promotion, No Singles, No Video... It even had those exact words on the ad that was in the record store! LOL Then we go back to when he said he was done with music after this album. But now I read in interviews, he's going to do a song with Madonna after this album. He is even going to do guest appearances on a few of the Roc albums...Bullish!
He might as well call it The Blueprint 3. I'm kinda happy it's already leaked out so people can actually get a chance to see what the CD has to offer before believing all the hype behind it.
But anyways moving on. Billy Ocean also made Caribbean Queen, its a classic 80's hit. I'm surprised you don't know of him Qool. But if you look at those late night infomercials about 80's music, you will hear his name pop up once. He looked like a mix between Curtis Blow & Glenn Lewis, but with a Jerry Curl. LMAO!
Also to answer your question about Bill Parcells being called the Tuna. There is no real explanation for it. But I remember watching the NFL Films Yearbook 1996, and they said the New England Patriots gave him a locker room nickname after the cartoon character Charlie The Tuna. I don't why they selected Charlie the tuna, I guess someone just came up with it out of the blue.
By the way in that verse I typed up, like I told yall it was just to clear up any confusion. I didn't mean it as insulting or trying to say yall don't know shit. On evry rap battle sit I'm on we do that type of stuff cause you deal with a lot of different people on the net, some may know, and some don't. You gotta look out for everyone ya know?
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)
When Prince made the album, yes, it was supposed to be an actual album with a single...BUT since it wasn't officially released at that time it's not considered a single. It's the mystique of the album that set up the blueprint for Notorious B.I.G.'s final work. Like I said it's not a set rule that a Black album has to be this way, or that way. But it's the mystique of its origins that gave birth to all this.
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Thursday, 6 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)
The more I sit here and think about it, the cooler it would have been for a big commercial player like Jay-Z to drop a really huge record and say "I'm just gonna let this record rise or fall on its own merits." But I'd guess that what he initially said about it ran into resistance with his "team" i.e. the people who get the records into the stores, into the hands of radio DJs, etc., and he decided to pick his battles.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 6 November 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)
I was also intrigued by Jay-z's initial ideas for the Black album. But it seems he's going for more of a victory lap performance, rather than a strong back to the streets performance.
I wish him all the luck in his philanthropist efforts and his move to serious acting. But I feel this is a disappointment to the Jay-z fans who were hoping to see him go back to the roots. I'm actually kinda mad he severed ties with his long time friends Foxy Brown, Jaz-O & Sauce Money. It would have been nice to see him reunite with them individually on a record. Or for that matter get Ja Rule & DMX back in the booth to rehash their days of being Murder Inc. the group. Even his old producer Clark Kent was supposed to be on the album, but is a no show. It's just sad to see what this album could have been.
― Hollywood (Hollywood), Friday, 7 November 2003 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)
Now let me answer Hillis' 21 questions. 1) How you ain't know what songs I was talking about if you know they albums? I didn't say I know their albums. I've heard them. Believe it or not, it ain't like you can dispute it. 2) How you ain't know what I was talking about when I said Dre sang before? Because I heard any one cd (from track 1 to the last) 3 times max and it was years ago, and I didn't like it thus, I didn't retain the fact that cuz sang. I don't know about you, but usually if I like something I remember more about it; if I dislike it, a good deal of it is dismissed and filed under I didn't like it. I'm not going to remember what the name of the song was or how many verses cuz spit or how many he sung. 3) How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? Because you said he been singing since 1993 or something like that...something remote to that. 4) How you still think he's serious? Because that bamma was. He was on the radio and cuz ain't say not one time that I shouldn't take him serious. How you know the other dude who made "The Way You Move" was serious? I applied the same logic. They made the tracks and performed them and never instructed me to dismiss them as joking or UN-serious. You also said "You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise." But it SEEMS like you fail to realize that I know that I did listen to plenty of Outkast tracks so you're wasting your time, fighting a no win battle trying to argue that I did otherwise. Do you really NOT see the stupidity here? Do you think you can really one day come up with proof stating that I have never heard an Outkast album? And bamma you can hear a whole CD 100 times and not recognize the titles. And there are plenty of people, PLENTY, that read "The Scarlet Letter" years ago who don't remember the plot or letter today. Contradictory to your belief, people can actually read an entire book and then be unable to explain it to you. Especially if they didn't like the book and VERY especially if they read it 3 or 4 years ago. And yeah I lived next door to someone who played Outkast all the time. Maybe you thought I never went in his room and whipped him in Madden and Live 99. My bad for not explaining this. I take the blame for you not knowing, but I went "next door" countless times and was "forced" to hear whatever that bamma and his roommate wanted to play. Today I don't like cuz. FURTHERMORE, I had roommates myself that liked Outkast. You think them clowns ain't pop in a CD that I disliked from time to time, like somebody called DJ Screw as if he were tight or this dude called yuk mouth? LOL that was okay, because afterwards I would school them with some Pac or Double R. Yes, you are more creditable than I when it comes to Outkast. SO FLIPPIN' WHAT? Are you saying therefore you can tell me that this bamma ain't serious when he clearly is and I suppose to belief that crap? Is that what you're saying? Bamma, cuz does not sing like Easy and BIG. Like we both said, he sang on key. And I can't believe you continue to compare that to "Automobile." For one, Auto was and is a funny and great song. Maybe not great, but it's pretty good. Second, you can listen to half a verse of that joint and tell that Easy and them are on joke time. Hey Ya seems serious to me. When did the Source back you up bamma? Copy and paste it or shut up that nonsense. Them bammas also implied that BIG was the best rapper ever. What was that, you ask? Oh, that was their creditability going out the window, MORON. Furthermore, I asked that you try not to read into what I say, mainly because you have trouble doing this; you say what you THINK I'm saying. Just ask and I'll clear it up if I can. So the Champ Bailey talk was YOUR logic. Yeah it was stupid, but it was yours. No, I didn't miss that you said it wasn't your argument, did you miss when I said don't gimmie that bull? If you don't want it to be your argument, don't rebut me with it, dummy. What is (save one)? Champ Bailey said it was his goal to "help this team get a championship next year." He said that when he won Redskin player of the year so there goes some more of your nonsense out the window. And you saying that any song is gonna have singing in it don't mean a thing. If he wanted a song with just rap, he could have put one or two or three or more on there if he didn't. Plus, by your stupid logic, I shouldn't take most of the CD seriously, if he sings on all or most of them. Explain that double talker.
Cuz, I will tear you a new one in Madden. Even if they do cheat. I was up by one point I think with like 40 seconds left. It's 4th and inches, so I figured I'd just let Ramsey do a QB keeper. Why does some bamma on the line jump off sides, making it 4th and five and consequently making me take an L (like I'd give you)? I had to go to the air because Trung be faking and this bamma caught the pass out of bounds. Madden be having me rolling with his comments. He'll say, that was just stupid to run a route short of the first down. And if it's a replay he'll say, okay, he fakes on way, then goes another, he showed his speed and that wasn't even fair what he did to that guy LOL. I know that pushing R2 will make the throw option come down, but he still won't run until you pass the line, it's like he's still looking for someone to throw it to when I already decided that I need to run it.
Shaq is the most dominant; Kobe is a better b-ball player. I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but anybody who is honest, knows that Shaq does a lot of cheating. Okay, cheating ain't the right word, but all anybody would have to do to stop his dunks, is stand in the lane and take the charge. Why don't they do this? Because the refs just let bammas get dunked on, they don't call it. He takes 3 steps with the ball on the regular (be honest) and the refs don't call it. No he doesn't just dunk, it was exaggeration, but you and I know if the refs called it like you are taught, cuz would have a much harder time being the most dominant. Kobe can dunk too, I think he was in the dunk contest. But can Shaq go (outside) and score? BLANK no. Like I said before, one on one, Kobe would win because he has an outside and an inside game. If they played take backs, Kobe could post him up and take the charge if Shaq tried to back it in on him, thus forcing him to take and miss the outside shot. Kobe would get the ball and since he can score from both in and out, it would be curtains (like me vs you...with me the victor). I know this doesn't mean anything because b-ball is a team sport, but one on one just shows who is better. Yes, Shaq shines when you put 4 half decent dudes on the court with him. He doesn't have to create his own shot, or move with the ball. On the defensive end, if you step outside he'll let somebody else pick you up because it's lights out (for him) if he tries to d you up outta the paint. I'm not knocking him because if something works, do it, but one on one I think plenty of NBA peeps (who shoot like 200 shots a day) would dog him (yes, like I'd do you). And thanx for saying I can still rep the Skins. I think I'ma guarantee a win this Sunday. Naw, I learned my lesson, but I still think we can get it together; but yes, I've stepped away from my 10-6 prediction. H-Wood, does "Black album." Really mean no promotion, no single and all of that. I don't think Jay meant it in this way, but you probably know it better than me and if you heard him say that, I guess cuz lied. But I say that because I see him every now and then talking about it and just today I heard it was going to be moved up from the original release date. Plus, being that it's suppose to or was supposed to drop on the same day as his shoes and on the day after Thanksgiving, that seems like a big marketing plan to me. Let me know. Also H-Wood, I heard but I don't know if it's true, that Jay said he will not make another solo album, but he will make other tracks, I guess for soundtracks or for guest appearances. I gotta roll. Oh yeah, thanx for the Tuna explation. Do y'all watch Playmakers? That's my show.
― Qoolout, Friday, 7 November 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Before I murk you, I must admit them Madden comments had me LOL for real! I be ready to throw somethin when them micky fickys be WIDE OPEN and they make my QB throw the ball 20 yds out of bounds and then my receiver gon have the nerve to catch the ball while he next to all the assistant coaches! Madden be havin me rollin, too. He be like "He was tryin to run through the hole, and there was no hole!" or "He was waitin for the play to develop, and BOOM! He got developed!" LMAO! But my boy and I had to pause the game for a minute cause he gained like a yard or two on one play and Madden said, "Well, some yards is better than none yards…" That's the all time classic right there. Playmakers is tight, too. You and that receiver probably got the same dilemma, lol... Nah, just playin. You like that cocaine sandwich eatin DH! But for real, it's tight, even though it's a tad melodramatic. Don't nothin go right for any of em... except they keep winning. But as far as they off field life, you got that gay receiver puttin on a front, that Willbanks character is a (these) bastard(s), coach got cancer, DH on heroin and his boy killed a man and then shot his bro, Leon is Emmit Smith and be hittin on his wife like Billy Dee Williams (Billy Dee Williams? Hittin on women? Say it ain't so!), that linebacker is depressed, the QB knockin off women left and right, but knockin em up, too, and that bald Warren Sapp wanna be O-lineman always whining about no respect... All that money, all that drama. I guess we don't know the pressures that go with 20 million a year (copyright Jerry Maguire)...
Now, I can murk you. Or, really, I guess I should thank you for your last post because you absolutely confirmed what I had been saying all along. When it comes to Outkast, you have no idea what you're talking about AND you finally admitted it. So you heard them 3 or 4 years ago and you have forgotten pertinent facts. How convenient... for me! If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. As I said, you either haven't listened to the albums or think hearing them in somebody's room a couple times constitutes having some knowledge about them. Consequently, it was the latter. Ok, you forgot. So in essence, as of now, you don't know much about Kast. Yeah, you heard some albums in a room, but that hardly means you know anything. And you admit this since you have now conveniently (for me) forgotten. Which means you don't know. So again, I obviously haven't forgotten and I do know a lot about Outkast as a staff, record label, and as a muthaflippin crew. WAY more than YOU. Which again shows that if we're going to discuss Andre 3000, what I KNOW holds more wight than what you THINK. Just because you heard some songs 3 or 4 years ago (while you were playing possibly the WORST Madden player ever) is irrelevant to today ESPECIALLY since you have forgotten them. Now, maybe head and gangsta moves are the only hip hop topics to you. Maybe that's YOUR narrow minded vision of hip hop. Maybe. But most hip hop fans don't buy into that garbage. While the topics were humorous, I could tell by the way Eazy and Biggie were singing that they weren't serious, just like with Andre. I've heard and can remember how Andre sings on other songs that I know he is not taking his singing seriously. You know, those songs I mentioned that you forgot about and can't remember the vital details? You see, I don’t know how limited your knowledge of musical notes and basic terms are, but Eazy and BIG do actually sing on key. They're just horrible. Andre 3000, in my opinion, is not as bad, but like both BIG and Eazy, he was having fun. He sings because he enjoys it, and while he ain't tryin to impress with his voice - like (insert R&B singer here) – he IS trying to impress with the actual MUSIC behind the voice. This, even though he isn't trying to SING seriously, is why we can take the SONGS seriously. Now you may try and put your spins on that, but you'll never find where I said that he shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist. I just said his singing wasn’t serious. And I know you like to think that if a sentence has two or three of the same words in them, they can be considered "remotely close," so make sure you watch out for your own stupidity when you reply!
True, I might not remember every track of every album I've ever heard, but I am a huge 2Pac fan. I remember the name of every song and track number that I like. Easily. And I probably remember at least 75% of the few songs I might not like. Still, the fact that I am a fan of Pac is why I know those songs in and out like that. Same with UGK, Three 6, and yes, Outkast. But since you're not a fan, you don't remember any of that. None of the names. And you don't remember any of the songs he's sung on before. You don't know that they've been RAPPING since 1993 (I didn't say they had been singing since 1993, I said rapping – contrary to Qoolout belief, THOSE STATEMENTS AREN’T REMOTELY CLOSE) and that 1998 was their first singing song. You don't know any basics about Outkast, but all of a sudden you become this Andre 3000 expert because you've seen a video and heard an album 3 or 4 years ago that you can't remember. Yeah. Right. (Mutha)FLIP(pin Mike) OUTTA HERE!!! The term "save one" is basically saying "except one." Moving on, let’s say for the sake of argument, SOMEONE (not you) says that "Since I have never met Brad Pitt, he must not exist." So then, I say, "Well, following along with your logic, I have never met your mother, then she must not exist." Now I personally am not making that argument. By expressing a HYPOTHETICAL conclusion based off the same logic, I am just showing the flaw in his logic. You have done the same thing before, so why all of a sudden must I have to personally believe in a statement to use it? Do you really not grasp basic HYPOTHETICAL statements? Is the so called English major unfamiliar with the use of rhetoric? You're not making any sense anymore; probably because your debate skills are a joke!
Your views on Shaq ain’t clear! Well, they are. But they aren’t. I mean I know you SAY Shaq cheats/walks/charges the majority of the time, but please don’t tell me you actually believe that is a valid argument. Again, I ask how Shaq can get away with walking and charging for 10 years in the league?! All the refs have to do is bla, blah, blah... How bout you take that JOKE of an argument back to DC and come up with one someone should actually pay attention to. I’m ready to debate, but I just want to make sure that's really your argument.
I know nothing of the Black album controversy or what a Black album implies, so I won't comment. Now, What More Can I Say is good, but it ain't muphukkin flames like I hoped. But I’m sure Black Album should be good. Hopefully better than Blueprint 2 (NICCA)! But just a general topic, what are the 20 sickest beats you ever heard? I know that’s tough, but if I say hip hop beats would that make it easier? LOL! Probably not, true, but try and narrow it down. I was gonna say 10, but I felt that was too hard to narrow down, since we talking about at least 15 years of beats for most of us!
H*WOOD, when Tennessee comes to FLA, all we do is win (i.e. Vols vs. Gators, Canes and Titans vs. Dolphins, Jaguars)! Where’s FLA STATE and TAMPA at?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! The only thing that ruined this weekend was that Seattle choked against the Redskinnies.
I'm out like the Cowboys handing Champ Bailey a ferocious L. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)
(I like both discs on the new Outkast but agree with people who say the Big Boi disc is deeper)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)
But someone said something great to me the other day about Outkast... "It's a shame the best artists in hip hop aren't interested in making hip hop anymore." I hear that so loud.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Cuz, I wanted to slam a hammer into my PS2. I just took an L to ATL. They made Vick WAYYYY too good. I mean in real life he is a great player, but this bamma is like Superman on that game. You had me cracking up talking about how they catch passes next to the coaches. I don't know if you and your peeps play with challenges on, but if you really want to see some cheating, play that way. I had Trung running that joint and he got hit. He fell down, hit the turf and THEN the ball popped out. I challenged that joint and they showed it clear as day, but didn't reverse it. And then Madden rubs it in with his wisecracks. If they do reverse it he'll say "See the challenge rule was made to right a wrong. That call was wrong and they just made it right," LOL. That clown. Then one time I looked at the replay to see if I wanted to challenge it and afterwards when I tried to challenge the call, they said "you can't challenge after viewing the replay." LOL, that's the same way the real coaches do it.
This joint had me cracking up: If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. I don't know why you continue to pursue an argument. You know more about Outkast than I do. I admit it. I thought this was common knowledge, but now I've typed it for you. If you hear and listen to a song any time in your life, then you have heard and listened to said song. You can think otherwise and I'll think this way. You can think that song was hip-hop and I'll think it ain't. Why do you still want to bicker about it. Young, I don't like them clowns. Sure everybody else does, but I'm not feeling them; you ain't ever gonna get me to so just shut it up. When I spoke about the head and gangsta moves I said that there is more to hip-hop. Don't try to sneak that bull in there about maybe that's all I think there is to hip-hop. You are really reaching. I was just telling you that as soon as you hear the song talking about brains and bangin' you PROBABLY can guess that it's hip-hop. Man, if you keep on, I'ma have to put you on a post ban, LOL. Then it's just gonna be you on here missing me like P and Silk was missing their homies. And Easy was not on key. Outkast was. And if I played the three songs to someone who doesn't listen to hip-hop which one do you think they will say sounds like a REAL R&B song? And which two do you think they will say has an artist joking while singing? Bamma, don't answer on here; just think about it and be honest. What? A wannabe lawyer being honest? Or even Hillis being honest? Yeah, I know it ain't gonna happen. You are unable to realize that a non-Outkast fan will think that cuz is singing an R&B song. If you hear Easy and probably BIG for the first time, you can tell they are joking, by pitch and by the lyrics. I (ME)(QOOL), do not get that effect when I hear Hey Ya. Yes, I forgot what the songs were about but I didn't forget that I did not enjoy them. And plenty of their songs happen to be about NOTHING (you even remotely admitted this) so me forgetting ain't really saying nothing. Back of the Bus, please. So now you are saying cuz, sings because he enjoys it, but I shouldn't take him serious because he is not trying to impress me and you know this because you have been a fan for a long time? LOL, okay. That SEEMS to be the gist of what you are saying. Now I get it. Okay, you were right, you win. Seriously, you win, disregard all I've said, no need to continue. Oh yeah, maybe you don't know what remotely means. MAYBE. The way you are trying to explain how sentences aren't related makes it SEEM like you don't know what the blank you are talking about. Bamma if the 1st 12 words are the same the sentences are similar (IN THIS CASE). Does anybody other than Hillis disagree with that?
Moving on, let me point out once again, how you just sound stupid. If you tell me cuz has been singing for a long time, and then tell me that cuz 1st cd came out in 93, what am I supposed to think? I don't know how long he has been singing, but guess what. I DON'T CARE. I don't care if he came out the womb singing "It's Raining Men" while Billy Ocean was writing "Automobile." It SEEMS like you are trying to catch me saying something wrong when it comes to Outkast trivia. I don't like them, no, I don't know as much as you do about them, and if I got a year wrong or said an incorrect tittle, my bad. But I know I heard Hey Ya and that crap should be able to stand alone. Saying that my knowledge about them is little, has nothing to do with it. I heard that song and you can't take that away, JACK. And I didn't know the names of the songs, because I never picked up the CD, or the booklet and tried to find out the names. It wasn't that I forgot the names, I never knew, and to my surprise, I didn't lose any sleep over not knowing. If you hear a Pac CD and you don't look at the disc or the case, you won't be sure of the names either. Your Brad Pitt bull was nonsense. See, you said the Champ bull as a rebuttal to my argument, THAT'S why that crap wasn't viewed as HYPOTHETICAL.
If you think Shaq doesn't walk (take 3 steps with the ball) (A WHOLE LOT) and charge (A WHOLE LOT) then never mind. Maybe you don't watch him as much as I assumed. Either way, never mind.
Lastly, "What More Can I Say" is Flippin' Flames. I kinda feel like that's Em style a lil, but I'm not sure yet. I gotta hear it some more. But my guess is that that's gonna be the best track on the album. Just a guess. Dag, The Eagles won. McNabb is the truth, but I wanted them fools to lose. Hillis, you know that was a great, yes GREAT, play that the Skins did. QB throws to the WR, WR throws to the HB, HB gets the TD, RS gets the W. An announcer said Steve drew up that play years ago in Florida and he finally got it to work, lol.
― Qoolout, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)
First and foremost, I must say that Qoolout, if you truly believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you're a complete dumb ass. I made it very clear that I don't really believe that Champ doesn't want to win a Super Bowl. I explicitly said that. I clearly said it was a hypothetical argument based off your logic AND that I don't truly believe it, but I mentioned it in the hopes that you would see the flaw in your logic. But for some unknown reason, you believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want the Redskins to win a Super Bowl. And for that, you are a complete dumb ass.
Now that we have established that you are the dumb ass, we can move on... move on to your LIES! Lies! Lies! All lies! Like you saying that I said they been singing since 1993! I never said that! I said rapping! RAPPING! Rapping since 1993! I said they sang first in 1998! And I said that was on ONE song on the whole album! I also never said they had been singing for a "long time" either. I said they had sung before The Love Below! Where are you getting your material? Not from anything I posted because everything you claim I said is far from what I say. You can CLAIM that they are remotely close, but you are not at all remotely close. You're just flat out lying about things I said! For someone who complains about me supposedly twisting your words and meanings, you sure don't have a problem doing it to me, and then claiming that you were remotely close to what I said. NEGRO PLEASE! And another complete lie is that I "remotely" admitted that "a lot of" their songs are about nothing. LMAO! I never said that! I never said anything REMOTELY CLOSE to that! You asked me the point of So Fresh So Clean and I told you. You asked me the point of Rosa Parks (Back of the Bus) and I said I ain't know. That's ONE song! ONE song out of at least 100! So since I couldn't tell you the exact point of ONE song, therefore, "a lot" of their songs are about nothing?! LOL! You're a joke! ONE flippin song?! ONE?! LMAO! Look, MORON, you need to take these lies and try em on some bammas you know in DC! If you're honest with yourself, you'd scroll up and see that I, as well as the majority of posters, have stated that Outkast is one of the few hip hop groups who actually rap about something. So where you got they rap about nothing is baffling, because you sure as hell ain't get it from me!
And while admitting that I know more than you about Outkast is, well, I don't know what it is, but you (as usual) missed the point. The point is actually that you don't know jack about Kast! Knowing more than you isn't really saying much because the fact that you think Andre 3000 was seriously singing shows you know nothing about Andre 3000. All those songs I mentioned - everything - should actually clue you in to the fact that you're clueless! If I wanted you to trip up over Outkast trivia, it wouldn't be hard since you admittedly know very little! Forgotten songs, forgotten meanings, forgotten this, forgotten that, whatever, blah, blah, blah... You may not know the names, but if you had a clue of Kast, you'd at least admit you know that Andre has sung before Hey Ya. And you would at least remember that there where songs where Andre 3000 doesn't sing seriously - that is, if you had a credible amount of knowledge like you claim (i.e. continue to lie about). You don't know jack about Kast; why do you think you know somethin from one song? You admittedly know little; why when someone who knows WAY more than you tells you what's REALLY up, you try and come up with all types of reasons you're right? YOU ARE WRONG! If someone who didn't know Kast heard Hey Ya, they may think it was R&B or not think it was hip hop, but I hardly think they would believe he was serious. But ask yourself if they were familiarized with other songs where Andre 3000 sings (like Slum Beautiful, I'll Call Before I Come, Roses, Prototype), would they believe he was seriously trying to sing? Well, I guess it's unfair to ask you that since YOU DON'T KNOW THOSE SONGS! lol... bamma!
Mickyfickin Redskins won! La di freakin da! Yeah, that play was mad tight. I'm thinkin about drawin it up for our flag football team! And by the way we have caught 2 Ls after winning our first game in a blow out. Last minute, close Ls, mind you, but alas, Ls nonetheless. The first game we was up by 20 and they score a couple of meaningless touchdowns after the game was no longer in doubt. The second game we was trippin. They had one good play and that was a long bomb on the first play which got em on the 5 yd line and they scored eventually. Then we shut em down and they got a field goal because we turned it over in our own territory. But we threw 3 interceptions and was down only 10-6, but they got some first downs and ran out the clock. Then our 3rd game was some BS. Half my team was nowhere to be found. I had to pick up some bammas that happened to be there and we got beat by the worst team ever. 2nd worse, cause that assembly I had dropped every pass I threw. And they wouldn't just drop em. The bammas would have it bounce off they chest and into somebody else chest for an INT, messin up my stats. We was gettin served 17-0, but we scored two quick TDs and it was 17-14, but they got some first down and ran the clock out, too. We bought to get back on this winning track and make a playoff push on Wednesday and Thursday, (big) baby.
Post ban! You can't put me on a post ban, dummy, because I was the first to tell folks to go get Best a map! And instead of talking about stuff you claim Shaq does a lot, but is mysteriously rarely called for, why don't you discuss what actually happens on the court? If you're gonna be fair and honest, you should say Kobe walks and travels a lot, too. Don't say Shaq charges and walks, but decide to overlook all the 2 guards who travel when they drive just to prove a point!
Aiyo, check it, Andre 3000 and Big Boi need to quit that nonsense about not doin hip hop know more. I copped that XXL and heard Dre might be puttin the mic down for real! I was not happy about that, but he gotta do Dre, so I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere for that funk soul type entertainment. Now I don't think either album is deeper, because Big Boi gets a little deeper than Andre and Andre is more "out there" than "deep" but I would actually say Big Boi's disc is more listenable, simply because I ain't always in the mood for Andre's singing. Well, unless it's Prototype or Valentine's Day...
lol @ Trife? What happened to that man? And damn near everybody else that was postin?
I'm out like Daddy Fat Sax might be. Peace!
― Hillis 3000 (Hillis 3000), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)