Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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I know her press officer and really, he's got much better things to do than pseudoblog on MySpace (he is usually busy looking after Kylie and the PSBs). FWIW Keith Allen has kids by different mums, and Lily lives with her mum not far from me, in a normal neighbourhood.

What I do like is that she is already promising to be a gobby wee shite in interviews.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 12 May 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Close readers of the Observer this weekend may have spotted this -- but that looked awfully like Lily Allen on the cover of next week's Observer Music Monthly.

alext (alext), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

However, reacting to criticism in public = DUD.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

But it happens a lot (round here)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 06:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, that's true... I guess it's a subjective thing. (round here) is less public than a MySpace page that has had over a million page views - also, it feels less dud if the artist in question has already had a career for a while (e.g. Nick Cave writing Scum about Nick Snow).

Haven't thought this one through, to be honest. Why do I feel it's not a smart move on her part, especially because her career is only starting, but it's awfully honest and endearing at the same time?

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i have heard lily allen now, she sounds like the kaiser chiefs/ordinary boys (ie fucking awful). of course she has commercial possibilities, she is in exactly that vein of nme indie-ska which is all over the charts right now! and like everything else that genre has vomited up she's appalling.

stop calling her pop!

also please come back britney.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Alex that's a bizarre comparison though! She's totally in the space between The Streets and Ms Dynamite - precisely, the exact space between "Dynamitee" and "Let's Push Things Forward". How is that anything at all do with Kaiser Chiefs or "NME indie-ska" (whatever that is?!?!)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

she's in the same vein as the streets, yes (i hate the streets! she is more like recent streets than opm, too), but i'm not hearing ANY dynamite (or indeed lina) in what she does at all.

it's that oompa-oompa ska vibe in all of the songs i've heard (not all of them, i couldn't be bothered after a while) which really puts me off.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, once it's out, it'll be everywhere. It's true.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I get the feeling the reviews are trying to categorise you ... and not quite getting it, because they are used record label manufactured acts, with well-trained PR etc

lololololololololololololololololololololololololol

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

dear spambot: I believe in you. Do you really have so many websites? What's your favourite?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 May 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago) link

http://f.chtah.com/i/43/393014865/omm_may_head.jpg

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

She's already being mashed up! (with Busta Rhymes, in this case)

StanM (StanM), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Also headlined on that OMM cover--Pele and Justin Lee Collins (or that other one with a similar name) bcz people don't want music in there music mags.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 19 May 2006 09:05 (eighteen years ago) link

the mixtape is quite awful. her songs were ok however.

a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

she looks like an Eastenders actress

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:48 (eighteen years ago) link

oh god omm is breaking an act.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The MySpace questions must pop up, too…


"Oh yes. I love MySpace , it’s done an amazing job for me and it’s been insane over the past couple of weeks, but I’m not a poster girl for them. And as much as newspapers like to say I got signed because of MySpace, I actually signed my deal in September last year and I set up my MySpace page in November."

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I was at the Lily gig at YoYo last thursday, and it wasnt as bad as people were making out. Yes the sound was bad, but the crowd had a great time, and Lilys voice shone through.

pics/review at http://www.musiclikedirt.com

neil365, Monday, 22 May 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

That OMM article was horrid. "I had a really hard upbringing". OK, fair enough, posh people can have rough times being brought up as well. What incidents scarred the young Lily for life?

Sometimes she handed her homework in late, and she used to get dragged to dinner parties.

....

Yeah, those were the main concerns I had as a kid as well, it speaks to Lily's strength that she managed to come through those two monstrosities. Maybe a new postergirl for Childline?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite like the music of 'LDN' but I dislike the Londoncentric sentiment of it all.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Keith couldn't help her with her homework because he had to ponce about with a load of monks for a New Order video, that's why it was late?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i posted this elsewhere, but basically, if you take the downward spiral of lady sov's singles thus far, and fast forward five years or so on the same trajectory, you end up with lily allen.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Having listened to her mixtapes, i'm pretty unimpressed and not interested in this buzz. sounds ok and poppy but I really don't see why all the fuss.
anyone who thinks this is better/more exciting than the coming nelly furtado's singles is crazy.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

good point re Furtado.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I really haven't missed those mp3's AT ALL since I deleted them :|

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

interested - or has the backlash really kicked in :

http://www.lilyallenmusic.com/music/demos/csd23dsms7/LilyAllenMixTape2.mp3

also - i suspect i am not the only one - but the album is now out there doing the rounds - better or worse than expected ?

currently i am not in mood for this, but initial spins reveals a lot of easy reggae loops, and, while it will be perfect when in the right frame of mind, the compact 37 minutes playing time seems just about right.

track listing :

smile
knock'em out
ldn
everythings just wonderful
not big
friday night
shame for you
littlest things
take what you take
friend of mine
alfie

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still interested in the album actually, but can wait for the CD.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

ooooh.

i best qualify - when i said "doing the rounds" .. i meant proper promo cds - not those naughty ILM banned kind of areas of the net.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

when i said "doing the rounds" .. i meant proper promo cds

so it's "out" by tomorrow then? okays

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm kind of thinking we need a thread for the death of the "promo" lately. It certainly changes music mags/websites less powerful, opining on near everything a month or more after everyone has already heard it.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I think there is one already actually but it was kind of ... zzz

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

proper date : july 17th.

and is the death of the promo a totally bad thing ?

i think not (unless nicely packaged like this one is), in fact the days when the letterbox doesn't rattle are actually my favourite.

jaded, me ? too fuckin' right.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a news story about the album from the NME

http://www.nme.com/news/fat-les/23205

I only post it for one reason. Can you tell what it is?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

To remind us to add Fat Les to our MyNME Artists?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link

You are on the munny.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"Is there money in the box?"
"No, I'm in here myself."
(Billy Connolly, Solo Concert, 1973: "Glasgow Accents")

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Lily Allen to sample "D.I.V.O.R.C.E." for next single, plans to mention her rough upbringing in a Romanian orphanage on it.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to hear her tackle "Nobody's Child" in the Glasgow pub singer style.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, this mixtape is kind of a guilty pleasure...

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone else hear a watered down lauryn hill here?

Idle Idle (idleidleidle), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Seems kind of sly way to promote the album (and her). Cool by association you know, mark e I'm getting the impression the album itself is not going to be to this what Aruler was to Piracy Funds Terrorism??

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh god the Kaiser Chiefs cover.. nooo! And the gunshot stuff, ffs. Not from a nice actors daughter please.

I am so off this bandwagon right here. Fuck one summery pop record I'll find another. UGH. I have a limit.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Girls Aloud are doing "I Predict A Riot" at their gigs!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

and was there? Shouldn't it be "We predict a riot" ?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I can sort of hear that one working, if I squint, sad to say... Girls Aloud are at least going for terrace anthem material (and playing arenas) in the first place. Big hooks, populist as you can get.

From Lily (or Mia, or the Sugababes) it seems like a desperate, sad manouver or retreat.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Doesn't seem to have been any riots at the gigs thus far. I'm seeing them at Wembley Arena on Saturday so will report back.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

HI DERE!

http://www.newyorker.com/images/main/060605mast_4_r15197_p198.jpg
BLIGHTED
Americans’ fitful appetite for British pop.
by SASHA FRERE-JONES
Issue of 2006-06-05
Posted 2006-05-29

If you have a song in your heart and can’t get onto “American Idol,” think about buying a plane ticket. In the nineteen-fifties, American blues records found their way to England and caused young Britons like John Lennon and Keith Richards to start their own bands and record cover versions of songs by Muddy Waters and the Isley Brothers. (Lennon and Richards reportedly went on to write their own material.) Soon, England became a destination for American pop musicians looking to establish themselves. The U.K. has a state-sponsored radio conglomerate, the BBC, which almost everyone listens to, and a long tradition of music weeklies competing to herald the arrival of the hottest new pop act. In September of 1966, Jimi Hendrix went to London and hired an English rhythm section. When he returned home, nine months later, he had scored three top-ten singles in the U.K. and had landed an American record contract. In 2001, the British weekly New Musical Express, known as NME, anointed a little-known New York band called the Strokes as the Next Big Thing, convincingly enough to make it true, at least for a year.

The musical traffic flows in both directions, and English pop acts are currently faring as well in the States as they have at any time since the early eighties, when Duran Duran, Culture Club, and Wham! dominated MTV with their cheery, decadent songs and ruffled outfits. The anthemic yet cuddly rock band Coldplay, which sounds like a less belligerent version of U2, has sold three million copies of its recent album “X & Y.” James Blunt, a hunky former British Army officer, has achieved omnipresence with his daft ballad “You’re Beautiful,” a pledge to a woman whom the singer glimpsed once. (“I’ve got a plan,” Blunt announces, suggesting that he may intend to stalk his dream girl, but he opts instead for the historically proven approach of braying “You’re beautiful” nine times.) Finally, “Unwritten,” an agile pop album by Natasha Bedingfield, has sold half a million copies on the strength of the title track, a perky compendium of self-help mottoes.

These musicians don’t sound all that similar. Coldplay’s better songs are miniature epics that suggest vast stores of emotion; Bedingfield is a clean-cut pop singer with a knack for R. & B.; and Blunt satisfies an enduring if baffling need for men who mewl without their shirts on. Nevertheless, they have several crucial things in common: their lyrics tend to be uplifting; they lack identifiably English accents, and they avoid British slang unfamiliar to Americans. These attributes are what distinguish their music from another strain of mainstream English pop, which rarely makes it big in the States, even when it should.

An implicit embargo began in the fifties, with Cliff Richard, England’s answer to Elvis Presley, who had to wait almost twenty years for his first American hit, and reached its height with Robbie Williams, a former boy-band singer who is a superstar everywhere but here. The Arctic Monkeys, one of NME’s recent picks, are the latest British pop sensation to have got stuck at customs. Logistical factors—the comparative ability of independents and majors to promote acts, the tight strictures of radio—are partly to blame, but the bigger problem is one of accents and attitude. If your songs are cynical, ironic, or misanthropic, and loaded with references to Tesco or “tracky bottoms tucked in socks,” Americans may simply turn the dial.

Robbie Williams, originally a member of the band Take That, struck out on his own in the mid-nineties and became a favorite of the British tabloids. He looks like a young Sean Connery gone to seed, and delights in bragging about his dissolute behavior. A duet called “Kids,” which Williams recorded in 2000 with Kylie Minogue—an Australian singer who has also had trouble gaining traction in America—sums up the dark British sophistication that amounts to self-imposed quarantine. The verses unfold over an irresistible, shifting dance beat and segue into a titanic rock chorus that suggests ABBA singing over an AC/DC track. The lyrics, though, don’t encourage the kind of identification that kids like to have with pop stars. Williams and Minogue dismantle the fourth wall in the very first verse—“We’ll paint by numbers till something sticks. We don’t mind doing it for the kids”—and Williams, after trading suggestive lines with Minogue, ends the song with this rap: “Single-handedly raising the economy, ain’t no chance of the record company dropping me. Press be asking ‘Do I care for sodomy?’ I don’t know—yeah, probably.”

The Arctic Monkeys are an independent rock band, a genre in which sunny dispositions are hardly the norm. Even so, Alex Turner, the twenty-year-old lead singer and songwriter, manages to summon the intractable bleakness of someone three times his age and much less successful. The band built its audience by playing live shows—constantly, all over England—and by giving away its songs as MP3s on Myspace.com. When its remarkable album, “Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not,” was released, in January, it sold more than three hundred and fifty thousand copies in the first week, making it the fastest-selling début in British history. (So much for the idea that giving away your music hurts sales.)

Turner is a prodigy at both character sketches and song form, able to describe the marginal life of a streetwalker (“She don’t do major credit cards, I doubt she does receipts, it’s all not quite legitimate”) and fickle fans ( “ ’Cause all you people are vampires, and all your stories are stale, and though you pretend to stand by us, I know you’re certain we’ll fail”) in deceptively casual lyrics, which he delivers in a thick Yorkshire accent. “Whatever People Say” has sold a hundred and seventy-eight thousand copies in America, a respectable number for an independent release, but it has fallen from a high of No. 24 on the Billboard charts, in March, to No. 139. The Monkeys’ live performances make it clear that, though they play furiously, they aren’t willing to smile or dance in order to sell their songs. At Webster Hall in March, Turner and his three bandmates wore tennis shirts and corduroys, and much of the time they stood stock still, seemingly uninterested in production values like jumping up and down. Turner’s words can’t be twisted into feel-good phrases; he expresses himself with a lapidary precision that shuns poetic cover. When he finishes the long, solo introduction to “When the Sun Goes Down,” a song about a prostitute and her pimp, he spits, “I said he’s a scumbag, don’t you know.”

“I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor,” which was a single in the U.K., is another combination of robust dance rock and deep disdain. When Turner sings the title phrase, and follows with “I don’t know if you’re looking for romance or, I don’t know what you’re looking for,” it doesn’t sound like he’s musing over the magical possibilities of a night out. In fact, if you’ve heard enough Arctic Monkeys songs, you know that nights routinely end with somebody going home with the wrong person, a fight breaking out, and everyone—except the guy who’s singing—regretting it all in the morning.

Americans are comfortable with certain kinds of moral ambiguity—hard rock and hip-hop are full of harsh conclusions and unpleasant world views—but we prefer our British bands to be picker-uppers. Somewhere, an American record label is trying to figure out whether Lily Allen is our kind of British. Allen, a twenty-one-year-old singer, is earning deserved raves in the London press and on music blogs. The daughter of the British comedian Keith Allen, she was signed in December by Parlophone on the basis of her delightful, ska-inflected songs, which are now available for download on her Myspace page. (She has given just four live performances, all within the past month and at the same London club.)

“LDN,” a lighthearted rap about her home town, has been released as a single, along with a low-budget digital video of Allen bicycling innocently around London. The track is built on a calypso loop, and Allen’s voice tends to lilt and skip, as if she were singing along to some of her favorite songs while walking down the street. In an accent dismissed in one British paper as “mockney” (a middle-class imitation of Cockney), she celebrates London on a sunny day, airily wondering, “Why, oh why, would I want to be anywhere else?” But she cannot avoid her countrymen’s realist tendencies, and, as the first verse closes, you can hear the soft thump of record executives dropping their heads to the table: “Everything seems to look as it should, but I wonder what goes on behind doors. A fella looking dapper, and he’s sitting with a slapper, then I see it’s a pimp and his crack whore.”

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I was actually going to post that I'm surprised to notice that almost all of Lily's songs verge on spiteful. I guess "Sunday Morning" isn't, but it's hardly straightforwardly positive (basically "yeah I like you but please don't say "I love you" because I can't say it back and it'll be really awkward if I have to choose between lying and not saying anything and telling the truth"). "Nan, You're A Window Shopper" is mean, albeit in a gentle way. "Not Big" ridicules men. "Shame For You" ridicules men and threatens physical violence courtesy of aggressive vengeful brothers...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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