ILM July Madness: Round of 32 - WEST

I will fight anyone who picks the wrong Can songs

random selection from old POX threads in the archive

I think that to pick the five songs, we have to have polls.

ohhhhhh CCR = creedence clearwater revival. i've heard half of one of their songs ever, at a bbq

See, this makes me feel better about being the guy who has never heard "Umbrella," because it's equally strange to me to imagine never having heard CCR -- they are not now top 40 obv. but the songs are pop standards, are background music for a thousand things, you hear it in the grocery... then again I am a dad so maybe the songs are played in some frequency only I can hear?

Anyway, CCR vs. Stones is interesting -- I feel like one wants to vote down RS for their last 25 years of "strangely, we still exist" but I think Rolling Stones had a higher peak -- sort of a Martinez vs. Maddux thing

Also I assume you're American?

man I think nothing riles me up more re. lol Britain vs. USA than the proud provinciality of Britishes against CCR: like, I get that your country didn't really get with these guys back in the day, but that's nothing to brag about! You can make up for that sad mistake! It's not like CCR was the Blur of their day.

Yeah, I find the concept of never hearing CCR pretty strange since they are such a staple, but I can totally buy that it's a US vs. UK thing, it doesn't really bother me.

Has Lex at least ever heard Ike and Tina Turner do "Proud Mary"?

a) there are worse things that britishers are provincial about (HIP-HOP) (R&B), i rail against my countrymen all the time
b) there are plenty of things that americans are totally, unashamedly provincial about, so uh physician heal thyself or sth
c) i don't even know the names of any CCR tracks
d) i've heard "proud mary" but it's one of those cultural osmosis things in that i'm not quite sure which version or when

Maybe it was this version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XRNQ2C2x0

Or possibly this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfyEpmQM7bw&feature=related

man I think nothing riles me up more re. lol Britain vs. USA than the proud provinciality of Britishes against CCR: like, I get that your country didn't really get with these guys back in the day, but that's nothing to brag about! You can make up for that sad mistake! It's not like CCR was the Blur of their day.

Eh, well, you're wrong there. CCR were pretty popular in the UK "back in the day", but their popularity hasn't persisted, but that's hardly unusual. Also we don't have Classic Rock stations or anything like that over here, I wouldn't expect to hear Deep Purple or 10cc or whatever much in the UK either

'british person at a BBQ' seemed like a stranger idea to me than 'lex hadn't heard CCR'

is it really that common there?

yeah lex I give you a pass since 60s rock is totally not your bag; it's other Britishes who fuck with 60s, but don't "get" CCR and make a point of it, where I'm exasperated. Like I gather that Tom D.'s point about was just that, like "why should CCR be on a UK rock fan's radar?".

xp right, and cool @ no classic rock radar, but if you're a fan of 60s rock (like the Stones) then why single out CCR as "just" American? Note I am supposing that you are a fan of 60s rock, o/w why bother commenting on CCR vs. Stones.

actually what this gets at is why the Young Rascals are obscure but I gather my reasoning there will be hard to follow so whatever

It definitely brings up this weird contrast of a British band copping an "American" vibe versus an American band working in a similar area. There's this weird implication that the British version is the only relevant one because it is at a remove from the real thing and thus can be enjoyed as "artful" or even "ironic".

Like I gather that Tom D.'s point about was just that, like "why should CCR be on a UK rock fan's radar?"

No, that's not even close, more that you would not hear CCR "in a grocery" in the UK, nor is it "background music for a thousand things" in the UK. Ditto Deep Purple, or ... basically take your pick of late 60s/ early 70s rock bands.

... be they British or American or whatever

CCR were dudes from berkeley copping a southern vibe xp

true

ok! I guess I'm just interpolating from other threads where UK posters seemed to be saying something stronger about CCR, like, what's so great about them? To the extent they're part of the ILM canon, it's not b/c they're seen as just some great instance of 60s rock---it's that they're sui generis, i.e. the lone chooglers.

I'm just interpolating from other threads where UK posters seemed to be saying something stronger about CCR, like, what's so great about them?

Springsteen deserves this, not CCR.

the biggest springsteen fanatic I know is irish, weirdly enough

and like, he's the follow tour around europe type

ok---so what's the British equivalent of Springsteen in this regard, meaning an act who Britishes adore & sells out massive stadia across the land, whilst Americans roll their eyes?

I'm British and relatively youngish and 'Bad Moon Rising' totally permeated my consciousness through films, TV, general ubiquity. I don't get how you could not have heard at least one CCR song.

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James Brown vs Wu-Tang? That's just cruel.

anyway back on the CCR/RS - 'faking southern music' - if the RS were from say, boston, but their music was 100% the same, would their southern-sounding stuff be accepted as authentic in the same way that CCR's is? how much british is actually hiding in the music?

ok---so what's the British equivalent of Springsteen in this regard, meaning an act who Britishes adore & sells out massive stadia across the land, whilst Americans roll their eyes?

T Rex, Slade, Status Quo - these are most like CCR, I think

I was being cheeky about Springsteen, he has millions of fans here, he just makes me roll my eyes

fogerty on 'born on the bayou':

""Born on the Bayou" was vaguely like "Porterville," about a mythical childhood and a heat-filled time, the Fourth of July. I put it in the swamp where, of course, I had never lived. It was late as I was writing. I was trying to be a pure writer, no guitar in hand, visualizing and looking at the bare walls of my apartment. Tiny apartments have wonderful bare walls, especially when you can't afford to put anything on them. "Chasing down a hoodoo." Hoodoo is a magical, mystical, spiritual, non-defined apparition, like a ghost or a shadow, not necessarily evil, but certainly other-worldly. I was getting some of that imagery from Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters. "

re. the Stones, I'm guessing you mean post-1968? b/c before that the Britishness is overt. After 1968 it's still there: in the distance Jagger puts on with his twangy vocals, in the lyrical detachment regarding race in "Brown Sugar"; and more critically, in their ability to move between different genres of American dance music from the 60s onward without ever having to own any of them.

right I meant the stuff like 'country honk'

T Rex was huge in the US, though; "Bang A Gong" is a mainstay of US sporting events I think (I guess it's a been a while, maybe not anymore)(of course so is "Song 2"). Status Quo is a good one, in that I think the comparison to CCR is ludicrous and makes my point.

I bet Lex and others have heard "Fortunate Son," since it's the go-to soundtrack for any TV/movie scene of a helicopter hovering over the Vietnam jungle.

Bet you CCR had more hits in the UK than T Rex had in the US. More than T Rex, Slade and Status Quo put together I would guess. (xp)

CCR had more UK #1s (one, "Bad Moon Rising") than they did US #1s.

Ha! Also three Top 10, two Top 20, three Top 40 hits.

right---& T Rex wasn't that huge in the US, looking at the stats; "Bang a Gong" only hit #10.

Most bands would give their left bollock for that little list! (xp)

I guess my point above about CCR vs. the Stones isn't really about authenticity vs. inauthenticity, but really about how each band might be perceived.

I can imagine CCR being heard as simply an American band doing American music and that there maybe isn't a lot of interest in that compared to the Stones who perhaps "interpret" American music and thus turn it into something unusual, familiar and unfamiliar at the same time.

And it's probably true that the Stones are the better band. I voted for them because they just have way more classic songs than CCR and kept getting better and better well after CCR folded.

However, CCR shouldn't be ignored, they are a damn good band and John Fogerty is one of the all-time greates rock vocalists, an amazing song writer, and a great guitarist.

all-time greatest

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

CCR vs. Stones is doing my head in

afaik I've never heard Can, but fuck the Beach Boys

I voted for Can, but fuck anyone who says "fuck the Beach Boys"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WP2exZurfc

just because u hate panda bear doesn't mean you should blame brian wilson

lex pretend vs. Herman G. Neuname

acoleuthic vs. Tuomas

Geir Hongro vs. Matos W.K.

deej vs. Whiney G. Weingarten

Maximum Hongroe

poll w/ 5 songs challops by one artist contributor to ILM vs. 5 songs challops by the other

Not sure that "I Get Around" is going to convince Beach Boys haters. I mean, I like the Beach Boys for songs like that, but I love them for songs like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjLyB9NK0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BLyXRPl1aE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hYIlH4nOEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E9obXA6mDY

just because u hate panda bear doesn't mean you should blame brian wilson

― ILX trolls and "autistic" use of the N-word (crüt), Friday, July 9, 2010 7:36 AM Bookmark

never liked them in the first place dude. their voices drive me up the wall. (altho obv they aren't as bad as panda bear)

those beach boys songs are not as good as I Get Around